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  • redsrule
    All Star
    • Apr 2010
    • 9396

    #196
    Re: UFC 133, Rashad Evans vs. Tito Ortiz-- 8/6/11

    Originally posted by Sandman42
    Considering Rashad looked slower in his first fight with Rampage than he did tonight, then I think he could beat Rampage fairly easily since he already did it once.

    Jones is a completely different equation, but I still feel that Rashad presents more of a challenge to him thank Rampage.
    Your right, except Rampage was coming of a big layoff and big weight cut, and still almost Ko'ed him. Tito hit Rashad with a few good shots tonight. Rampage would catch him again imo. I have Rampage beating Jones (100% bias) so I think we will see that fight again.
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    • aholbert32
      (aka Alberto)
      • Jul 2002
      • 33106

      #197
      Re: UFC 133, Rashad Evans vs. Tito Ortiz-- 8/6/11

      Originally posted by Gotmadskillzson
      It will be interesting to see how Evans avoid the long reach by Jones. Jones will definitely have the great reach advantage in that fight. Plus I doubt Evans will be able to keep Jones on the ground for most of a round either like he did Tito.
      Jones doesn't really pump the jab so his reach won't matter as much. He uses the length of his legs more than anything. Also Evans will be the first guy Jones has fought who doesn't stand in front of him. Rua, Bader, Matchusenko, Hamill and Vera didn't use much movement in the stand up. Evans will.

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      • aholbert32
        (aka Alberto)
        • Jul 2002
        • 33106

        #198
        Re: UFC 133, Rashad Evans vs. Tito Ortiz-- 8/6/11

        Originally posted by redsrule
        Your right, except Rampage was coming of a big layoff and big weight cut, and still almost Ko'ed him. Tito hit Rashad with a few good shots tonight. Rampage would catch him again imo. I have Rampage beating Jones (100% bias) so I think we will see that fight again.
        Ive watched that fight a ton of times and Rampage was lost for 13 of those 15 min. Rashad's chin is suspect though (look at the Machida and Silva fights). I have Rampage beating Jones too but thats because its a 25 min fight and I've never seen Jones' chin tested. I think Ramp will catch him once in 25 min and we will see if Jones can take a punch.
        Last edited by aholbert32; 08-06-2011, 10:48 PM.

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        • aholbert32
          (aka Alberto)
          • Jul 2002
          • 33106

          #199
          Re: UFC 133, Rashad Evans vs. Tito Ortiz-- 8/6/11

          Dana gave Brian Ebersole a "thank you for getting those horrible shorts off of TV" bonus. LOL.

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          • redsrule
            All Star
            • Apr 2010
            • 9396

            #200
            Re: UFC 133, Rashad Evans vs. Tito Ortiz-- 8/6/11

            Originally posted by aholbert32
            Ive watched that fight a ton of times and Rampage was lost for 13 of those 15 min. Rashad's chin is suspect though (look at the Machida and Silva fights). I have Rampage beating Jones too but thats because its a 15 min fight and I've never seen Jones' chin tested. I think Ramp will catch him once in 25 min and we will see if Jones can take a punch.
            Same here, Rampage is tough to finish and he will connect over the 25 minutes and we will see if he has an iron jaw or not.
            I still think Rampage beats Rashad if and when they fight again.
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            • northface28
              Pro
              • Jul 2009
              • 762

              #201
              Re: UFC 133, Rashad Evans vs. Tito Ortiz-- 8/6/11

              Originally posted by aholbert32
              Ive watched that fight a ton of times and Rampage was lost for 13 of those 15 min. Rashad's chin is suspect though (look at the Machida and Silva fights). I have Rampage beating Jones too but thats because its a 15 min fight and I've never seen Jones' chin tested. I think Ramp will catch him once in 25 min and we will see if Jones can take a punch.
              Interesting, I think Rampage is too flatfooted, slow, and like Evans said "head is too big and easy to hit". If Rampage ends up on his back, hes done. Couple that with the fact Jonez is much faster and can hit Rampage from so many angles, Rampage wont see it coming.

              Rampage used to slam guys, he was unpredictable, had great ground control, body shots, ground and pound etc. Now, hes just one dimensional, and wont stray from his game plan, even when hes losing.

              Jones Muay Thai is getting better and better, hes a great striker and a much better athlete, I like Rampage, but I cant see him beating Jones. Jones wins in 2nd round.

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              • goh
                Banned
                • Aug 2003
                • 20755

                #202
                Re: UFC 133, Rashad Evans vs. Tito Ortiz-- 8/6/11

                I know there's injuries and stuff but

                Doubt Rory is a GSP but that was a nice win for him. Certianly has talent.

                At least Philippou admitted the fight wasn't good. Not sure why Rogan wouldn't.

                Hallman deserved that for wearing those things.

                Thought Akiyama would have a better chance than he did.

                Tito's best chance was for Evans to have been rusty. He wasn't.
                Don't see why he wouldn't beat Rampage a second time if that were to happen.
                Outside of the anything can happen factor don't see why he would beat Jones.

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                • aholbert32
                  (aka Alberto)
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 33106

                  #203
                  Re: UFC 133, Rashad Evans vs. Tito Ortiz-- 8/6/11

                  Originally posted by northface28
                  Interesting, I think Rampage is too flatfooted, slow, and like Evans said "head is too big and easy to hit". If Rampage ends up on his back, hes done. Couple that with the fact Jonez is much faster and can hit Rampage from so many angles, Rampage wont see it coming.

                  Rampage used to slam guys, he was unpredictable, had great ground control, body shots, ground and pound etc. Now, hes just one dimensional, and wont stray from his game plan, even when hes losing.

                  Jones Muay Thai is getting better and better, hes a great striker and a much better athlete, I like Rampage, but I cant see him beating Jones. Jones wins in 2nd round.
                  Hmm..see I dont agree with the game plan comment. He doesn't stray from it because it usually works. The guy is 10-2 since 2005 with one of those losses being a fight that many think he won (against Griffin). He almost beat Evans in the third round go their fight. Also, he does gameplan differently depending on the fighter.

                  Against Machida he fought much differently than he did against Hamill. He looked great in the clinch against Machida and against Hamill should great takedown defense and striking.

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                  • northface28
                    Pro
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 762

                    #204
                    Re: UFC 133, Rashad Evans vs. Tito Ortiz-- 8/6/11

                    Originally posted by aholbert32
                    Hmm..see I dont agree with the game plan comment. He doesn't stray from it because it usually works. The guy is 10-2 since 2005 with one of those losses being a fight that many think he won (against Griffin). He almost beat Evans in the third round go their fight. Also, he does gameplan differently depending on the fighter.

                    Against Machida he fought much differently than he did against Hamill. He looked great in the clinch against Machida and against Hamill should great takedown defense and striking.
                    I guess we will have to see, interesting that you bring up the clinch against Machida. I think thats the x factor in the Jones fight. Rampage does have great upper body strength in the clinch, where Jones tends to dominate (the clinch) Jones wont take Rampage down with a double or a single, not Jones forte, the clinch is. And if Rampage doesnt win this area of the fight, its goodnight sweetheart.

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                    • cooldude
                      Please don't go.
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 4091

                      #205
                      Re: UFC 133, Rashad Evans vs. Tito Ortiz-- 8/6/11

                      Originally posted by Sandman42
                      That's probably it for Akiyama. He never did get an easy fight in the UFC though.
                      I think there's a chance he drops to 170.

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                      • VanCitySportsGuy
                        NYG_Meth
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 9351

                        #206
                        Re: UFC 133, Rashad Evans vs. Tito Ortiz-- 8/6/11

                        We had 4 finishes on the PPV but I thought this was one of the worst cards this year from top to bottom. I got spoiled from the last PPV. I also wasn't a big fan of the Philly crowd from the stupid booing to the lack of crowd noise.

                        I almost feel asleep during the facebook prelims.

                        Evans looked terrific tonight. He looked really quick and sharp. I don't see Jones destroying him.

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                        • redsrule
                          All Star
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 9396

                          #207
                          Re: UFC 133, Rashad Evans vs. Tito Ortiz-- 8/6/11

                          Originally posted by aholbert32
                          Hmm..see I dont agree with the game plan comment. He doesn't stray from it because it usually works. The guy is 10-2 since 2005 with one of those losses being a fight that many think he won (against Griffin). He almost beat Evans in the third round go their fight. Also, he does gameplan differently depending on the fighter.

                          Against Machida he fought much differently than he did against Hamill. He looked great in the clinch against Machida and against Hamill should great takedown defense and striking.
                          Exactly. Rampage has improved some too. He has looked a lot better in his last two fights. I think Rampage will stuff his takedown attempts if they fight again. Rampage is the stronger and better striker of the two. Props to Rashad for winning this though.
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                          • XFactah416
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 1708

                            #208
                            Re: UFC 133, Rashad Evans vs. Tito Ortiz-- 8/6/11

                            Keep in mind though that this card was absolutely riddled with injuries. The original proposed card was pretty nice on paper.

                            I want to see more of Gustaffson, who looks like he could be a nightmare match up for a lot of guys with his length and his height. The way he finished Hamill was pretty impressive, reminiscent of Bones Jones going crazy on Hamill (but legally, ).

                            The line for Rashad / Bones when it originally came out was pretty lopsided. I think more respect will be given to Rashad when the new line comes out, assuming Bones beats Rampage, but I still think Bones will be a heavy favorite over anyone in the LHW division.

                            Vitor Belfort has a serious, serious problem when he goes to finish fights. I know it's clearly unintentional, but it's twice now where he's hit the back of the head on a stationary target when he's won. That stuff is dangerous man.

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                            • LingeringRegime
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jun 2007
                              • 17089

                              #209
                              Re: UFC 133, Rashad Evans vs. Tito Ortiz-- 8/6/11

                              Originally posted by aholbert32
                              Rashad has the best entrance music choices is mma. Krs one against Silva. Mobb Deep's "Shook ones" against Rampage.
                              He sure does. I liked "Time for Sum Aksion" by Redman when he fought Machida.

                              Didn't watch the fights tonight, seems like it went pretty much as I thought. Tito lasted a little longer than I thought though.
                              Last edited by LingeringRegime; 08-07-2011, 02:58 AM.

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                              • mikenoob
                                All Star
                                • Oct 2007
                                • 5545

                                #210
                                Dana White
                                @danawhite
                                WTF!!!! Fighting in that will be illegal after tonight! Anyone want to grapple with hallman?
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