UFC 151 - Jones vs. Hendo - Sept 1 - Vegas

[DJ]

Re: UFC 151 - Jones vs. Hendo - Sept 1 - Vegas

It's funny how Jones will take a short notice fight for the belt, but once he has the belt he won't fight an inferior fighter on short notice.

Ha, very true.

[GiantYankee]

Re: UFC 151 - Jones vs. Hendo - Sept 1 - Vegas

Why isn't Machida getting any heat for not taking the fight? He just fought Bader and didn't take any damage. Dominated his fight. Not happy that card had to be cancelled, but not mad at Jones for not taking this fight on 8 days notice.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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Jiones better hire some extra body guards for his house......tons of people highly pissed at him. I wouldn't be surprised if people egged his house, his cars, his wife etc. Sports fans are crazy like that. He just put his whole family life in danger.

[aholbert32]

The UFC would've lost more money if it held the card with ellenberger and Hieron as the main event. No ppv buys. Still have to pay win bonuses and award bonuses. Still have to pay cable and satellite company guarantees.

Jones put them in a position where it was cancel the event or lose more money

[aholbert32]

Why isn't Machida getting any heat for not taking the fight? He just fought Bader and didn't take any damage. Dominated his fight. Not happy that card had to be cancelled, but not mad at Jones for not taking this fight on 8 days notice.

Machida is in Brazil right now.

[JerseySuave4]

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Yup, shame on Dana for giving Jones opportunities. For not holding his loss against him. Giving him a title shot and Shogun fighting him on short notice and injury. For giving him multiple main event spots on cards. How dare Dana get pissed when he needs a favor in return. **** that man.

For not holding his loss against him? His loss was a DQ because of elbows. He was dominating the fight up till then. Other than that he's wiped away the deepest division.

Unlike Chael Sonnen, Jon Jones was deserving of the title shot on short rest. Chael Sonnen is coming off a loss to Anderson Silva, why would anyone want to watch him get blasted by Jon Jones? Unless Chael has time to run his mouth to sell the fight, he's not interesting. His fights are boring.

Jon Jones was the #1 contender so it made sense for him to step in on short notice. Not to mention he had nearly 6 weeks between fights, not 8 days. Was it short notice, yes because it isn't the full time for a training camp. But it was way more time than 8 days.

[aholbert32]

For not holding his loss against him? His loss was a DQ because of elbows. He was dominating the fight up till then. Other than that he's wiped away the deepest division.

Unlike Chael Sonnen, Jon Jones was deserving of the title shot on short rest. Chael Sonnen is coming off a loss to Anderson Silva, why would anyone want to watch him get blasted by Jon Jones? Unless Chael has time to run his mouth to sell the fight, he's not interesting. His fights are boring.

Jon Jones was the #1 contender so it made sense for him to step in on short notice. Not to mention he had nearly 6 weeks between fights, not 8 days. Was it short notice, yes because it isn't the full time for a training camp. But it was way more time than 8 days.

Jones wasn't the number 1 contender when he got his shot. Evans and rampage were ranked higher and were offered the shot before jones.

[Hiro1]

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It's unfair to Jon Jones how he is about to get..... nope never mind he deserves every thing coming to him for this decision. twitter is killing me, Im laughing so hard.

https://twitter.com/JeffHougland/status/238732843092688897

https://twitter.com/JoshOBreocco/status/238721729437003776

Lmao Ironically he signs with Nike, but doesn't "Just Do it".

When you go on campaign saying you want to be the greatest fighter ever it's things like this people will remember. If I was a fighter and had been training these past few months I'd have no choice but to feel a tad angered towards Jon. in the end it's his decision I dont have to hop my tail in the cage.

Also he needs better handlers or trash talk writers. His trash talk skills are below average. He'd be better off sticking to "I know you are, but what am I?"

[JerseySuave4]

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Jones wasn't the number 1 contender when he got his shot. Evans and rampage were ranked higher and were offered the shot before jones.

ok still doesn't change anything else i said, he was way more deserving than Chael Sonnen. Just because Chael Sonnen is the only person who would fight Jon Jones on 8 days notice doesn't mean he deserves it. He's desperate. The guy isn't worth talking about unless he runs his mouth. His fights are boring. He's coming off a 2nd loss to Anderson Silva and basically has nothing left.

He's in a weight division where he's most likely not going to be getting the title anytime soon and he's not really going to be able to move up and get a shot any other way so he's got nothing to lose.

Jones beat Hamill on Feb 5th and fought Shogun on March 19. 6 full weeks. It isn't like Shogun found out on March 7 that Rashad couldn't fight and he was fighting Jones. I bet if that happened Shogun wouldn't have said yes. But he still had 6 weeks to prepare for a different fighter.

It isn't Jones' responsibility to worry about other fighters getting paid. If they had put together a better card then they simply would have been able to scrape the Main Event and bump up the Co-Main Event. But that card had no names other than Jon Jones and Dan Henderson. There could be some exciting fights there, but those other guys aren't selling PPVs.

It's not the first time a guy in the main event has gotten hurt and the main event didn't happen, but those other times they were able to bump up another fight but this card was not strong enough to do that.

[JerseySuave4]

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Dana White just continues to look like an arrogent jackass. He could have simply said that because of the injury and the fact that they were unable to get a deal done they had to cancel. He didn't need to throw Jon Jones under the bus as if it's his responsibility to fight anyone, anytime and to protect other people's careers. Jones signed on to fight Hendo, he's not contractually obligated to just fight whoever the replacement is 1 week before a fight.

The UFC should have had a better backup plan but it's typical Dana to put the fighters on blast. He has no problem bad mouthing the ones who actually go out there and fight.

[aholbert32]

ok still doesn't change anything else i said, he was way more deserving than Chael Sonnen. Just because Chael Sonnen is the only person who would fight Jon Jones on 8 days notice doesn't mean he deserves it. He's desperate. The guy isn't worth talking about unless he runs his mouth. His fights are boring. He's coming off a 2nd loss to Anderson Silva and basically has nothing left.

He's in a weight division where he's most likely not going to be getting the title anytime soon and he's not really going to be able to move up and get a shot any other way so he's got nothing to lose.

Jones beat Hamill on Feb 5th and fought Shogun on March 19. 6 full weeks. It isn't like Shogun found out on March 7 that Rashad couldn't fight and he was fighting Jones. I bet if that happened Shogun wouldn't have said yes. But he still had 6 weeks to prepare for a different fighter.

It isn't Jones' responsibility to worry about other fighters getting paid. If they had put together a better card then they simply would have been able to scrape the Main Event and bump up the Co-Main Event. But that card had no names other than Jon Jones and Dan Henderson. There could be some exciting fights there, but those other guys aren't selling PPVs.

It's not the first time a guy in the main event has gotten hurt and the main event didn't happen, but those other times they were able to bump up another fight but this card was not strong enough to do that.

A whole lot of issues with that:

Saying the UFC should've put together a better co-main is bs. Most UFC co mains aren't main event worthy. THats why they are co mains!!!! As the main event and lhw champ, jones has the responsibility of carrying the event. That's whyhe gets a ppv percentage. That's the positive of being in the main. The negative is u have a responsibility for the rest of the card. To fight unless u are injured so the rest of the card can get paid and fight. Jones benefited from that when he was on UFC 100 and other under cards. Now he doesn't want to pay it back.


I completely disagree about shogun. He wouldve taken the fight. There should be a little bit of leeway given to the guy who is the replacement not the guy fighting the replacement. Jones was preparing to fight on the first. He was in shape and ready to fight. Sonnen or whoever was the replacement was at a greater disadvantage because he is out of shape plus facing an in shape guy with only 8 days to prepare.

[DJ]

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ok still doesn't change anything else i said, he was way more deserving than Chael Sonnen. Just because Chael Sonnen is the only person who would fight Jon Jones on 8 days notice doesn't mean he deserves it. He's desperate. The guy isn't worth talking about unless he runs his mouth. His fights are boring. He's coming off a 2nd loss to Anderson Silva and basically has nothing left.

He's in a weight division where he's most likely not going to be getting the title anytime soon and he's not really going to be able to move up and get a shot any other way so he's got nothing to lose.

Jones beat Hamill on Feb 5th and fought Shogun on March 19. 6 full weeks. It isn't like Shogun found out on March 7 that Rashad couldn't fight and he was fighting Jones. I bet if that happened Shogun wouldn't have said yes. But he still had 6 weeks to prepare for a different fighter.

It isn't Jones' responsibility to worry about other fighters getting paid. If they had put together a better card then they simply would have been able to scrape the Main Event and bump up the Co-Main Event. But that card had no names other than Jon Jones and Dan Henderson. There could be some exciting fights there, but those other guys aren't selling PPVs.

It's not the first time a guy in the main event has gotten hurt and the main event didn't happen, but those other times they were able to bump up another fight but this card was not strong enough to do that.

Shogun could've said no to the Jones fight but didn't, even though he was injured. Yes, there was a longer period of time than what Jones is dealing with, but Jones is for all we know 100% (obviously guys are nicked here and there but no real injuries) and is a young stud that many experts feel that he hasn't reached his athletic prime yet.

So, why not go out there and prove you can beat any guy the UFC throws at you, no matter how short the notice? Especially a guy like Sonnen that realistically is much less of a threat on his feet than Hendo and is very prone to submissions.

Plus, Jones said a week or two ago that he wanted no part of Machida because he wasn't a draw. Last I checked, Sonnen was a bigger draw than Machida. Like I said before, even with a week's worth of time, Sonnen could've talked people into buying the fight.

If Jones were to lose to Sonnen, guess what?

THE REMATCH WOULD DO HUGE MONEY.

Sonnen would be his usual self and then you'd have Jones cutting promos saying that he only had 8 days to prepare, wasn't ready for Sonnen, etc. and boom, you're off making money.

Some of these guys are too short-sighted to see that what they call "no-win" situations can actually be "win-win".

[Gotmadskillzson]

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At the end of day, everybody loses money. Hotel workers lose tips. Bar tenders and waiters around the nation who show UFC fights lose tips and the extra business a UFC fight brings. Cab drivers lose money.

A big time sporting event has a trickle down effect. Hell even Joe Rogan loses money because now the comedy show he was going to do the day before was canceled as well. So that comedy club loses money as well.

It was bad enough it was a strong under current in the UFC of fighters and fans who don't like Jon Jones as it is. This just added jet fuel to the fire. Come the 22nd that crowd is going to boo the hell out of Jones.

Hell it could have been a non title fight for all I care. And to show how flaky the world is, Chael Sonnen went from zero to legendary hero in a matter of weeks. Talk about having the talent of talking yourself into a better position...man Chael Sonnen did it.

Few weeks ago, Sonnen was the laughing stock of the world for doing a spinning back fist and falling on his butt, which led to him losing the fight to the guy who was willing to fight anybody at anytime anywhere status. He totally revived his career.

Now Jon Jones is going to get the Lebron James treatment, booed everywhere he goes.

[Noles4ever]

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Just my 2 cents, but i'll throw it out since I've seen alot of fighters getting on Jones on twitter. Blame Dana White not JBJ, if he wouldn't have a fight card every other week maybe ppv's wouldn't be so damn watered down and need to be cancelled because the only fight on a card can't go on.

[Noles4ever]

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Few weeks ago, Sonnen was the laughing stock of the world for doing a spinning back fist and falling on his butt, which led to him losing the fight to the guy who was willing to fight anybody at anytime anywhere status. He totally revived his career.

Now Jon Jones is going to get the Lebron James treatment, booed everywhere he goes.

The same guy that said he would not fight Bones Jones when asked about a possible Superfight, or the one that said Chris Weidman doesn't deserve a fight with him?