UFC 151 - Jones vs. Hendo - Sept 1 - Vegas

[JerseySuave4]

Re: UFC 151 - Jones vs. Hendo - Sept 1 - Vegas

Just my 2 cents, but i'll throw it out since I've seen alot of fighters getting on Jones on twitter. Blame Dana White not JBJ, if he wouldn't have a fight card every other week maybe ppv's wouldn't be so damn watered down and need to be cancelled because the only fight on a card can't go on.

with as bad as some of the recent PPV cards have been, part of me is glad to see them take a hit. It goes to show you how strong the card is (recognition wise) when you take away the Main Event and you're left with 0 public interest.

[TheShizNo1]

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with as bad as some of the recent PPV cards have been, part of me is glad to see them take a hit. It goes to show you how strong the card is (recognition wise) when you take away the Main Event and you're left with 0 public interest.

I'd like to see some of you bitching and complaining if they went to a card every other month or so.

Some recent cards have been lackluster, but they were killing it earlier this year. Too many cards has nothing to do w/ it so much as injuries.

I'm actually going to agree w/ GMSS. This cancelling event hits EVERYONE involved in some sort of way; hotels, bars, other fighters. Yes it's his responsibly, he's the damn champion. Just like when you put on that jersey, the decisions you make affect more than you. As the champion, you are THE MAN. Jones has shown he is all about himself. To those that said he was phony as selfish ('Shad), I'll be damned if they were right.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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The same guy that said he would not fight Bones Jones when asked about a possible Superfight, or the one that said Chris Weidman doesn't deserve a fight with him?

I was referring to Sonnen. And FYI for those who have Fuel TV, they going to have a special show at 1am talking about the stuff that went down to today. Chael Sonnen suppose to be on it.

[Sandman42]

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I'd like to see some of you bitching and complaining if they went to a card every other month or so.

Some recent cards have been lackluster, but they were killing it earlier this year. Too many cards has nothing to do w/ it so much as injuries.

I'm actually going to agree w/ GMSS. This cancelling event hits EVERYONE involved in some sort of way; hotels, bars, other fighters. Yes it's his responsibly, he's the damn champion. Just like when you put on that jersey, the decisions you make affect more than you. As the champion, you are THE MAN. Jones has shown he is all about himself. To those that said he was phony as selfish ('Shad), I'll be damned if they were right.

Too many cards is still a problem they've been having this year. There's months where every weekend there's a fight, and while for some that may be nice, I have found myself caring less and less about the fights and I'm a huge hardcore fan. It's not just me either, if you listen to the Sherdog Radio shows both fans and some of the media are feeling the fatigue of so many cards.

In the past 2 months the only cards I've actually watched all the way through was the FOX card and the Fuel card with Weidman. I watched the whole main card of 150 but skipped on most of the prelims. I watched only the Silva/Sonnen fight from 148, skipped 149 completely and watched the final 2 fights on the Strikeforce card last week.

[Noles4ever]

Re: UFC 151 - Jones vs. Hendo - Sept 1 - Vegas

I'd like to see some of you bitching and complaining if they went to a card every other month or so.

Some recent cards have been lackluster, but they were killing it earlier this year. Too many cards has nothing to do w/ it so much as injuries.

I'm actually going to agree w/ GMSS. This cancelling event hits EVERYONE involved in some sort of way; hotels, bars, other fighters. Yes it's his responsibly, he's the damn champion. Just like when you put on that jersey, the decisions you make affect more than you. As the champion, you are THE MAN. Jones has shown he is all about himself. To those that said he was phony as selfish ('Shad), I'll be damned if they were right.

A card every other month wouldn't brother me, It would make cards stronger then just one or two fights. Last UFC card I watched was the Anderson Silva vs Chael fight and last card I saw before that was the JBJ vs Evans.

[JerseySuave4]

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i wouldn't mind a card every other month. I find myself not watching as much when i'm oversaturated with events. And i'm a hardcore MMA fan.

[Hiro1]

Re: UFC 151 - Jones vs. Hendo - Sept 1 - Vegas

It's wrong to give Jon Jones a "business decision" pass and not Dana White. It is a business decision to throw Jon Jones under the bus as well. lol. Seriously though, a lot of fans have been screwed over by non-refundable hotel and plane tickets if twitter can be believed. I dont know why anyone would lie on the internet.

[aholbert32]

i wouldn't mind a card every other month. I find myself not watching as much when i'm oversaturated with events. And i'm a hardcore MMA fan.

LOL!!! 6 cards a year? So I guess we should go back to 2006 because those cards were SOOO stacked back then. Oh except they werent. Less cards didnt lessen injuries. Less cards didnt lead to all around more stacked cards.

What it did lead to was fighters being forced to keep a day job because there werent enough cards for them to fight in each year. This cluster**** has nothing to do with how many cards the UFC has. UFC cards always sell by the main event and it has too because the main eventers make the brunt of the profits from the event.

When you are paying Bones 250k plus a ppv percentage and Hendo 200k plus a ppv percentage (not to mention a win bonus and any other under the table bonuses)...its hard to pay two other main event level fighters that kind of money to fight in the co-main especially when your gate is only 1-2 million dollars.


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[Bad_Intentions]

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I'd be down for a card per month. I think the roster is strong enough now to permit that. But having sometimes 3 cards within a few weeks is just too much. You end up with totally watered down cards like what was 151.

Dana is being a d**k here in my opinon. Jones has made the UFC how much money now?? He's the champ and one of the most exciting fighters to watch, and Dana says those nasty things about him?? Just crazy, you wouldn't find the commissioner of any other league or organization spit venom like this one of top athletes. It's just insane that he's placing all of the blame on Jones and none on himself and the matchmakers for putting this nonsense together.

If they are so concerned about the other fighters involved why not pay them out anyways?? Or at least a portion of their would-be purse.

[aholbert32]

I'd be down for a card per month. I think the roster is strong enough now to permit that. But having sometimes 3 cards within a few weeks is just too much. You end up with totally watered down cards like what was 151.

Dana is being a d**k here in my opinon. Jones has made the UFC how much money now?? He's the champ and one of the most exciting fighters to watch, and Dana says those nasty things about him?? Just crazy, you wouldn't find the commissioner of any other league or organization spit venom like this one of top athletes. It's just insane that he's placing all of the blame on Jones and none on himself and the matchmakers for putting this nonsense together.

If they are so concerned about the other fighters involved why not pay them out anyways?? Or at least a portion of their would-be purse.

Here is the list of LHWs that have made more money for the UFC:

Liddell
Couture
Rampage
Evans
Forrest
Rua

Thats just the LHW list. Jones isnt some great draw. He's been the beneficiary of co-headlining fights with guys who are draws (Evans, Rampage and Rua). He hasnt proven that he can draw over 500k on his own. So Jones hasnt made that much money for the UFC. Jones is carrying himself like he's a million PPV draw and he isnt. Even with all the heat he had for the Evans fight, he only drew around 600k.

Its obvious u havent read many of the posts here. The UFC is paying each fighter his show money AND rescheduling each fight.


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[aholbert32]

Also for all you guys talking about a card per month, I dont think the fighters would like that. A fight per month pretty much kills the Fox deal and/or takes away the way the UFC generates revenue (PPV). So if you enjoy MMA, you should be against reducing the number of cards. You do that and the sport may cease to exist.


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[aholbert32]

I meant to say mma may cease to grow.

[blackceasar]

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You know. I heard about all of this today and at first I was SUPER ticked off at Jones (who was one of my favs the day he came into UFC). But then I went back and looked at all the other fights on the card and I told my g/f I would have time to help her with her paper that night because I would only be watching the main event.

So for me, the blame gets placed say 50/50. Dana for being a shady greedy SOB knowing good at well if Jones is headlining a title fight (and Hendo being his opponent makes it VERY interesting) would get a lot of people to drop 60.00 on a PPV regardless of what all the other fights were.

Then the other 50 goes to Jones. Dam dude. You were on your way to becoming the face of the UFC. Because of you, your own brother who got drafted this year in the NFL caught alot of positive press. You were the first MMA fighter to get placed upon Nike's pedistal of athletes... You had everything going for you... then you did something to remind us that you are still very much a kid, and not yet a full grown man.

Jones said he wasnt going to fight Sonen on 8 days notice. Does Jones not remember that HE got his title shot against Rua because Evans got injured again? I know 8 days and six weeks are not the same thing however, Shogun could have said "no Dana, I'm not fighting this kid, he doesnt deserve a title shot yet".. but Shogun being the standup respected vet he is signed his name on the line to fight you. Jon Jones, you should chanell Spider Man when he first became a super hero. With great power, comes great responsibility... and you failed my friend.

Back to Dana now. Cancelling this event is more or less an admission to trying to be a shady greedy mofo by having a lame event card with Jones vs Hendo at the top. So Jones and Dana both need to get what they deserve.

Now onto Chael. Chael, you loud mouth, sometimes weird, always arrogant and cocky **** talking douchebag..... I used to hate you... but you are now one of my favorite fighters. You don't run from people. I think you actually would have given Jones a run for his money. I mean you almost beat arguably the greatest fighter of all time. Dana, what you need to do for Chael stepping up like a man is this. If you arent going to give him the title shot at 205 at the next PPV (I know its Jone's Machida II), then at the very least you need to give that man a shot against whoever wins between Jones and Machida 2. I think Chael actually deserves it, AND its a reward to say here Chael, you were going to have 8 days to make 205, now Im going to give you a normal amount of time to train.

[aholbert32]

Lol. What the hell? It's now jones v. Belfort. Machida declined to take the fight.

[blackceasar]

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Lol. What the hell? It's now jones v. Belfort. Machida declined to take the fight.

nah man, screw that! Let Sonen get ready for the fight. I think he deserves it and you KNOW he wont run from Jones or give a half-assed effort like a Rampage. I say give Sonen the shot, or at the very least give him the winner of that fight. Sonen walks around naturally around 200lbs anwyays.