UFC 156 - Aldo v. Edgar/ Overeem v. Silva - Feb. 2 - Las Vegas

[p_rushing]

Re: UFC 156 - Aldo v. Edgar/ Overeem v. Silva - Feb. 2 - Las Vegas

According to Dana Anthony Pettis texted him and said he wants to move down to 145 to fight Aldo!

fight Henderson first

[jfRED33]

According to Dana Anthony Pettis texted him and said he wants to move down to 145 to fight Aldo!

Wow. That possibility never even crossed my mind... Showtime could be a beast at 145!

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[8and9]

Re: UFC 156 - Aldo v. Edgar/ Overeem v. Silva - Feb. 2 - Las Vegas

How'd everyone do in fantasy?

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 156 - Aldo v. Edgar/ Overeem v. Silva - Feb. 2 - Las Vegas

How'd everyone do in fantasy?

6th. The Maia/Silva/Nog wins killed me.

[LingeringRegime]

Re: UFC 156 - Aldo v. Edgar/ Overeem v. Silva - Feb. 2 - Las Vegas

How'd everyone do in fantasy?

I picked the Camus/Kimura (Perfect), Edwards/Vallie-Flagg (Perfect), Green to win by submission (wrong round I said the 2nd, happened in the 3rd), Woodley/Hieron (Perfect), Benavidez/McCall (Perfect), Went all down hill from there lol until the Title Fight when I picked the right winner. Not too bad I guess.

[bigbob]

Re: UFC 156 - Aldo v. Edgar/ Overeem v. Silva - Feb. 2 - Las Vegas

Aw, we have a UFC Fantasy League?

Damn, I would have joined.

[Gotmadskillzson]

Re: UFC 156 - Aldo v. Edgar/ Overeem v. Silva - Feb. 2 - Las Vegas

So the fallout after UFC 156:

1. Frankie's problem is he takes too much damage to his face. Lost his third fight in a row. I think he to drop that stand and bang fight style, go back to ground and pound. No more title fights for him for a while. Let him work his way back up, beat 3 people in a row.

2. Dana White told Ryan Couture, Randy's son that he will let him out of his contract right now and that he could join his daddy at Bellator. Ryan refused and said he wanted to stay in UFC, Dana said ok, UFC is your home then.

3. Dana said Rashad lost his hunger, drive and desire to win. I agree with that statement. Like Frankie, he too needs to stop standing and banging, go back to ground and pound. He just lost to a guy who Phil Davis and Ryan Bader beat. Also a guy who hadn't fought in over a year.

4. Dana wants BJ Penn to retire. More then likely he will be given an executive role in the company like Hughes and Liddell when ever he does retire.

5. Pettis wants to drop weight and fight Aldo. I say hell no, fight Henderson 1st, way much bigger pay day for that rematch.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 156 - Aldo v. Edgar/ Overeem v. Silva - Feb. 2 - Las Vegas

Aw, we have a UFC Fantasy League?

Damn, I would have joined.

You can still join. The link is earlier in this thread.

[simgamer0005]

Re: UFC 156 - Aldo v. Edgar/ Overeem v. Silva - Feb. 2 - Las Vegas

49-46 is crazy, I had frankie winning 48-47 but I felt it could go either way but no way in hell should it have been 49-46. Somebody won by 1 round thats for sure.

well it was close. the scoring system in UFC is very subjective. UFC discourages (or bans outright) even rounds, so that means that every round must be 10-9. given that, i don't see how Aldo won. Yes Aldo won the first two rounds, but in the final 3 rounds, Edgar clearly landed the higher volume, outworked Aldo, and took him down twice, and once was a huge slam. (Aldo couldn't take Edgar down) So by UFC's scoring system, I think you had to give it to Edgar. Yes Aldo caused damage with that leg kick to the face in the 3rd, and yes Aldo did have that superman punch off the cage to end the 5th, but Edgar simply outworked the champ in rounds 3, 4, and 5.

if there could be even rounds in UFC, then it's possible you could score it like : 1 and 2 for Aldo, 3 and 5 even, and 4 for Frankie, and thus Aldo win. but since you have to score a winner in every round, i don't know how Aldo wins 3 4 or 5. when one guy gets all the takedowns in the fight, and lands over and over again, being more active, with that scoring system he should win. it kinda reminded me of Machida vs Rua, the 1st fight, in that Rua was more active but Machida got the decision, maybe because of championship advantage or "quality of the strikes / kicks".

Edgar is truly a workhorse, the guy deserves credit for hanging in there after those brutal leg kicks and turning the fight around from round 3 on. Edgar started trying to catch those leg kicks and countering them with a straight right hand, which led to a takedown twice. Aldo is a great fighter, but that decision is hugely debatable given the scoring system. Edgar found another gear in the later rounds and is constantly moving. All in all a great fight and a great card. Overeem Silva was spectacular.

[TheShizNo1]

Re: UFC 156 - Aldo v. Edgar/ Overeem v. Silva - Feb. 2 - Las Vegas

So the fallout after UFC 156:

1. Frankie's problem is he takes too much damage to his face. Lost his third fight in a row. I think he to drop that stand and bang fight style, go back to ground and pound. No more title fights for him for a while. Let him work his way back up, beat 3 people in a row.

Agreed. I wondered why in the hell he'd want to stand and bang w/ Aldo. Seems it happens to all guys w/ a background of a strong ground game. Once they get a few KO's or what not, they forget their roots.

3. Dana said Rashad lost his hunger, drive and desire to win. I agree with that statement. Like Frankie, he too needs to stop standing and banging, go back to ground and pound. He just lost to a guy who Phil Davis and Ryan Bader beat. Also a guy who hadn't fought in over a year.

IDK how you judge someone's desire to win or hunger. He looked the same as Overeem. Over confident and was satisfied w/ it going to decision. Him KO'ing the one guy w/ a kick and getting Liddell seemed to have gone to his head. Although you'd think Machida would've brought him back to reality.

5. Pettis wants to drop weight and fight Aldo. I say hell no, fight Henderson 1st, way much bigger pay day for that rematch.

Agreed. I've been waiting for that rematch forever. If he loses, then I'd be more than happy to see him drop down. I see both as potential great fights.


Most of the people I was watching these fights with fell asleep. Couldn't blame them.

[TheShizNo1]

Re: UFC 156 - Aldo v. Edgar/ Overeem v. Silva - Feb. 2 - Las Vegas

well it was close. the scoring system in UFC is very subjective. UFC discourages (or bans outright) even rounds, so that means that every round must be 10-9. given that, i don't see how Aldo won. Yes Aldo won the first two rounds, but in the final 3 rounds, Edgar clearly landed the higher volume, outworked Aldo, and took him down twice, and once was a huge slam. (Aldo couldn't take Edgar down) So by UFC's scoring system, I think you had to give it to Edgar. Yes Aldo caused damage with that leg kick to the face in the 3rd, and yes Aldo did have that superman punch off the cage to end the 5th, but Edgar simply outworked the champ in rounds 3, 4, and 5.

if there could be even rounds in UFC, then it's possible you could score it like : 1 and 2 for Aldo, 3 and 5 even, and 4 for Frankie, and thus Aldo win. but since you have to score a winner in every round, i don't know how Aldo wins 3 4 or 5. when one guy gets all the takedowns in the fight, and lands over and over again, being more active, with that scoring system he should win. it kinda reminded me of Machida vs Rua, the 1st fight, in that Rua was more active but Machida got the decision, maybe because of championship advantage or "quality of the strikes / kicks".

Edgar is truly a workhorse, the guy deserves credit for hanging in there after those brutal leg kicks and turning the fight around from round 3 on. Edgar started trying to catch those leg kicks and countering them with a straight right hand, which led to a takedown twice. Aldo is a great fighter, but that decision is hugely debatable given the scoring system. Edgar found another gear in the later rounds and is constantly moving. All in all a great fight and a great card. Overeem Silva was spectacular.

Here's how I see it, if you have to make all of these points to convince others that Edgar won, he didn't win. Not you specifically. As a champ, you should have to get clearly beaten to lose your belt. There cannot be doubt. I feel as champion, you earn that right. You can't just lose, the challenger has to beat you. I get what you're saying with the scoring system though. That and the judges need to be gone.

[simgamer0005]

Re: UFC 156 - Aldo v. Edgar/ Overeem v. Silva - Feb. 2 - Las Vegas

Here's how I see it, if you have to make all of these points to convince others that Edgar won, he didn't win. Not you specifically. As a champ, you should have to get clearly beaten to lose your belt. There cannot be doubt. I feel as champion, you earn that right. You can't just lose, the challenger has to beat you. I get what you're saying with the scoring system though. That and the judges need to be gone.

right to beat the champ you gotta beat the champ. "the championship advantage" is definitely real. i remember when Machida got the decision over Rua, everyone was bitching that Rua was robbed. but i actually accepted the decision. Machida did use ring generalship, and landed cleaner more flush kicks, despite Rua's superior activity.

And to be honest, I'm not calling this a robbery, because frankly, Aldo did what he had to do. he won the first two rounds (arguably) more convincingly then Edgar won the last 3. (Aldo caused more damage in 3 and 5 then Edgar caused in 1 or 2) really this fight came down to whether you prefer damage / big shots or whether you prefer volume. i thought the tiebreaker was the fact that Edgar got those 2 takedowns. that's huge in MMA. yea Frankie's face was bloodied, his eye swollen, but dude was landing spinning back kicks in the final round landing flush on Aldo.

The judge that scored it 48-47, gave Aldo the first 3, and Edgar the last two. i think the only reason he gave Aldo the 3rd was because of that leg kick to the face of Edgar. (damage) and i'm wondering if the jumping superman punch off the cage at the end of the 5th caused the other two judges to give Aldo the 5th. Those two moments, the kick in the 3rd, and the superman punch at the end of the fight, could have been the difference. to me, i think that a big punch could steal a round, but only when the round is close, and I didn't really think 3 and 5 were close enough for one kick to swing it like that. but again championship advantage and the fact that Edgar was playing catch up from the 3rd round on. it's hard to win 3 consecutive rounds against the champ after being dominated in the first two. tough fight to score, but really a fun fight because of the way Edgar came back after those leg kicks early on.

and by the way, i didn't think Rashad really looked that bad. it was just a boring fight. Nogueira didn't do anything either. i actually thought that Rashad was going to win. that was the most boring fight out of the last 4 fights by far. but i didn't agree with Dana that Rashad looked that bad. really Rashad looked in pretty good shape. Rashad is a second tier fighter. he's not the best but i don't think he really took any steps back. he's a safety first stand up fighter.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 156 - Aldo v. Edgar/ Overeem v. Silva - Feb. 2 - Las Vegas

well it was close. the scoring system in UFC is very subjective. UFC discourages (or bans outright) even rounds, so that means that every round must be 10-9. given that, i don't see how Aldo won. Yes Aldo won the first two rounds, but in the final 3 rounds, Edgar clearly landed the higher volume, outworked Aldo, and took him down twice, and once was a huge slam. (Aldo couldn't take Edgar down) So by UFC's scoring system, I think you had to give it to Edgar. Yes Aldo caused damage with that leg kick to the face in the 3rd, and yes Aldo did have that superman punch off the cage to end the 5th, but Edgar simply outworked the champ in rounds 3, 4, and 5.

if there could be even rounds in UFC, then it's possible you could score it like : 1 and 2 for Aldo, 3 and 5 even, and 4 for Frankie, and thus Aldo win. but since you have to score a winner in every round, i don't know how Aldo wins 3 4 or 5. when one guy gets all the takedowns in the fight, and lands over and over again, being more active, with that scoring system he should win. it kinda reminded me of Machida vs Rua, the 1st fight, in that Rua was more active but Machida got the decision, maybe because of championship advantage or "quality of the strikes / kicks".

Edgar is truly a workhorse, the guy deserves credit for hanging in there after those brutal leg kicks and turning the fight around from round 3 on. Edgar started trying to catch those leg kicks and countering them with a straight right hand, which led to a takedown twice. Aldo is a great fighter, but that decision is hugely debatable given the scoring system. Edgar found another gear in the later rounds and is constantly moving. All in all a great fight and a great card. Overeem Silva was spectacular.

The UFC has ZERO say over the scoring system or how judges score fights. The system was established when the unified rules were established and each state commission decides who judges each fight. If judges wanted to give even rounds they could. Its just rare when judges in mma or even boxing give 9-9 or 10-10 rounds. If the UFC had control over judges you would never see judges like Adleaide Byrd judging a fight.

Aldo didnt attempt a takedown so I dont know how you could say "Aldo couldnt take Edgar down". He was winning on the standup so why would he try to take Edgar down when Edgar is a better wrestler?

[simgamer0005]

Re: UFC 156 - Aldo v. Edgar/ Overeem v. Silva - Feb. 2 - Las Vegas

The UFC has ZERO say over the scoring system or how judges score fights. The system was established when the unified rules were established and each state commission decides who judges each fight. If judges wanted to give even rounds they could. Its just rare when judges in mma or even boxing give 9-9 or 10-10 rounds. If the UFC had control over judges you would never see judges like Adleaide Byrd judging a fight.

Aldo didnt attempt a takedown so I dont know how you could say "Aldo couldnt take Edgar down". He was winning on the standup so why would he try to take Edgar down when Edgar is a better wrestler?

okay, Aldo didn't try to take Edgar down, not that he couldn't. fair point. Aldo was winning the standup in the first two rounds, but not in the final 3 rounds imho. but that said, i don't think it's a robbery. it was just a very close fight, some people think Edgar won, others think Aldo won. Aldo certainly caused the most damage, to the head and to the legs. Edgar did make an adjustment though, trying to catch the leg kicks and countering the leg kicks with straight rights that resulted in takedowns.

even rounds used to be very common in the old days of boxing. and i think even rounds are more probable in boxing considering you have shorter rounds, more rounds to work with, and in boxing you don't have to consider multiple additional categories like takedowns and kicks. in UFC, even rounds only seem to happen when one fighter wins the round, and has a point deducted in that round. (9-9) when was the last 10-10 round in UFC?

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 156 - Aldo v. Edgar/ Overeem v. Silva - Feb. 2 - Las Vegas

okay, Aldo didn't try to take Edgar down, not that he couldn't. fair point. Aldo was winning the standup in the first two rounds, but not in the final 3 rounds imho. but that said, i don't think it's a robbery. it was just a very close fight, some people think Edgar won, others think Aldo won. Aldo certainly caused the most damage, to the head and to the legs. Edgar did make an adjustment though, trying to catch the leg kicks and countering the leg kicks with straight rights that resulted in takedowns.

even rounds used to be very common in the old days of boxing. and i think even rounds are more probable in boxing considering you have shorter rounds, more rounds to work with, and in boxing you don't have to consider multiple additional categories like takedowns and kicks. in UFC, even rounds only seem to happen when one fighter wins the round, and has a point deducted in that round. (9-9) when was the last 10-10 round in UFC?

10-10 rounds are rare but there was actually one last year. I cant recall the exact fight but I believe it was during the Kampmann/Alves card in Australia last year. 10-10s occur but they are very rare.