UFC: Aldo vs Korean Zombie - Aug. 3

[SidVish]

Re: UFC: Aldo vs Korean Zombie - Aug. 3

I just heard that Aldo is being hospitalized for kidney stones too. Ouch.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Nope. They're in the sport to win and/or make money whichever way they deem fit. You know which guys will do so by putting on a show and which will not by now.

Actually Machida has definitely been a great showman, just in 2013, he's been a dud.

His style in the past two fights has been as bad as Askren and Fitch.

[aholbert32]

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Actually Machida has definitely been a great showman, just in 2013, he's been a dud.

His style in the past two fights has been as bad as Askren and Fitch.

I dont know about that. Watch some of his fights again. Take away the finishes and most of his fights have been duds. He finished Evans, Couture and Bader but those fights were boring as hell.

Machida is a great fighter for the MMA purist (like me) but my casual friends hate watching him fight. They know that if he doesnt get the perfect counter opportunity, he's going to fight defensive and hardly attack. The Rua loss was the worst thing that happened to him. After that KO, he lost the little aggression that he had.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I think also that people have figured out what he's about. Nobody is going to do anything silly and leave themselves open to a counter.

Regardless, my point and the point of combat sports is to put on a show. You can win but if you don't put on a any sort of a show then nobody's going to pay to watch you.

Floyd has a way of putting on a show. Benson and GSP, though haven't finished anyone, have been active and try to entertain to a degree.

[aholbert32]

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I think also that people have figured out what he's about. Nobody is going to do anything silly and leave themselves open to a counter.

Regardless, my point and the point of combat sports is to put on a show. You can win but if you don't put on a any sort of a show then nobody's going to pay to watch you.

Floyd has a way of putting on a show. Benson and GSP, though haven't finished anyone, have been active and try to entertain to a degree.

Couldnt agree more. I think you saw it with Davis. He refused to get impatient like Bader did and get Ko'd. He learned from that fight.

[allBthere]

Re: UFC: Aldo vs Korean Zombie - Aug. 3

Aldo is super human. Forget the Zombies separated shoulder, he broke his foot in the first round. Much more impressive.

Speedy recovery to both. Chan and Aldo.

my thoughts are that Zombie in some way freaks out Aldo. I'd personally LOVE to see a rematch. Even though Aldo may have been "winning" I've never seen Aldo look like that and I was most surprised by how fast Zombie was! Memories of the Garcia fight he looked like a 2-bit piece of crap and I loved how entertaining that fight was BUT never thought Zombie could/would become skilled/talented ...

I want the rematch because I think Zombie's style really messes with Aldo's head. Aldo's movement was fine, he wasn't throwing the leg kicks (because of the broken foot perhaps although I certainly couldn't tell) ... it was a very interesting fight when initially I thought it was total crap matchup. Can zombie be the Kryptonite!? ... The combo's of Zombie caught Aldo a couple of times and he fliched a lot, he just wasn't in a normal flow and I think it's because zombie in one way or another just effs him up a bit for timing or just weirds him out in general.

[Hiro1]

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my thoughts are that Zombie in some way freaks out Aldo. I'd personally LOVE to see a rematch. Even though Aldo may have been "winning" I've never seen Aldo look like that and I was most surprised by how fast Zombie was! Memories of the Garcia fight he looked like a 2-bit piece of crap and I loved how entertaining that fight was BUT never thought Zombie could/would become skilled/talented ...

I want the rematch because I think Zombie's style really messes with Aldo's head. Aldo's movement was fine, he wasn't throwing the leg kicks (because of the broken foot perhaps although I certainly couldn't tell) ... it was a very interesting fight when initially I thought it was total crap matchup. Can zombie be the Kryptonite!? ... The combo's of Zombie caught Aldo a couple of times and he fliched a lot, he just wasn't in a normal flow and I think it's because zombie in one way or another just effs him up a bit for timing or just weirds him out in general.

After Aldo broke his foot 2 minutes into the round it almost makes everything that happened after it abnormal. Not sure Zombie had anything to due with Aldo's head.

[aholbert32]

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my thoughts are that Zombie in some way freaks out Aldo. I'd personally LOVE to see a rematch. Even though Aldo may have been "winning" I've never seen Aldo look like that and I was most surprised by how fast Zombie was! Memories of the Garcia fight he looked like a 2-bit piece of crap and I loved how entertaining that fight was BUT never thought Zombie could/would become skilled/talented ...

I want the rematch because I think Zombie's style really messes with Aldo's head. Aldo's movement was fine, he wasn't throwing the leg kicks (because of the broken foot perhaps although I certainly couldn't tell) ... it was a very interesting fight when initially I thought it was total crap matchup. Can zombie be the Kryptonite!? ... The combo's of Zombie caught Aldo a couple of times and he fliched a lot, he just wasn't in a normal flow and I think it's because zombie in one way or another just effs him up a bit for timing or just weirds him out in general.

You havent seen pics of his extremely deformed foot the minute he broke the foot? Your whole explanation above is like 1+1=6. Here are the facts:

Aldo throws tons of leg kicks in every fight and its perhaps his best weapon.

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Aldo broke his foot on the first kick he threw.

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Aldo only threw one more kick the rest of the fight.

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Aldo's broken foot was the reason he threw so few leg kicks.

"Fear" had nothing to do with it. I love Zombie but the bottom line is he lost 3 rounds to an Aldo with a broken foot and who couldnt use his best weapon.

[The JareBear]

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I agree with aholbert. I said this a couple weeks ago on here, as fun as TKZ is I don't think there there is much he can do against Aldo. Even with the broken foot Aldo was never in danger. I think it will take someone being able to take Aldo down and keep him there to beat him, and I'm not sure that man exists right now at 145

[allBthere]

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You havent seen pics of his extremely deformed foot the minute he broke the foot? Your whole explanation above is like 1+1=6. Here are the facts:

Aldo throws tons of leg kicks in every fight and its perhaps his best weapon.

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Aldo broke his foot on the first kick he threw.

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Aldo only threw one more kick the rest of the fight.

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Aldo's broken foot was the reason he threw so few leg kicks.

"Fear" had nothing to do with it. I love Zombie but the bottom line is he lost 3 rounds to an Aldo with a broken foot and who couldnt use his best weapon.

Aldo's ring movement looked unaffected. So besides the lack of leg kicks, it was impossible to tell his foot was broken.

I'm saying I THINK Zombie's style messes with Aldo because of it's awkwardness and I want to see a rematch. Maybe Aldo throws a bunch of leg kicks in a rematch, maybe he breaks his foot again - it doesn't matter, I'm saying I think Zombie will do better than most and maybe catch Aldo a few times like he did in this fight.

As a side note, Aldo's leg kick that he did throw was not his standard one, it was widely stepping off to the side (losing distance) and not connecting with his shin, but instead slammed his instep into the shin or knee of zombie. As soon as he did it I didn't know about the foot, but instead questioned why he threw that more timid, safer version of the kick.

I was simply offering my thoughts on the fight, not a recap of facts we learned after the fight. The guys fighting aren't robots we don't measure fights by + + + =
Aldo is a very good puncher too, but I say certain things that surprised me leading me to solidify my thoughts about Zombie flustering him. This includes him flinching more than usual at zombie's feints, Aldo's inability to time properly, pulling punches and not attacking when he normally would have in the past.

I want a rematch, here's some pluses and minuses for you.

Aldo's foot + Zombie's Shoulder = it wasn't all left out there in the octagon and it should happen again.

It's not like it was an uninteresting, or boring fight or that one man was totally dominated.

[aholbert32]

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Aldo's ring movement looked unaffected. So besides the lack of leg kicks, it was impossible to tell his foot was broken.

I'm saying I THINK Zombie's style messes with Aldo because of it's awkwardness and I want to see a rematch. Maybe Aldo throws a bunch of leg kicks in a rematch, maybe he breaks his foot again - it doesn't matter, I'm saying I think Zombie will do better than most and maybe catch Aldo a few times like he did in this fight.

As a side note, Aldo's leg kick that he did throw was not his standard one, it was widely stepping off to the side (losing distance) and not connecting with his shin, but instead slammed his instep into the shin or knee of zombie. As soon as he did it I didn't know about the foot, but instead questioned why he threw that more timid, safer version of the kick.

I was simply offering my thoughts on the fight, not a recap of facts we learned after the fight. The guys fighting aren't robots we don't measure fights by + + + =
Aldo is a very good puncher too, but I say certain things that surprised me leading me to solidify my thoughts about Zombie flustering him. This includes him flinching more than usual at zombie's feints, Aldo's inability to time properly, pulling punches and not attacking when he normally would have in the past.

I want a rematch, here's some pluses and minuses for you.

Aldo's foot + Zombie's Shoulder = it wasn't all left out there in the octagon and it should happen again.

It's not like it was an uninteresting, or boring fight or that one man was totally dominated.

It was a 30-27 Aldo fight before the 4th round. It was a fight where Zombie was finished and never did any significant damage to Aldo. My issue with your analysis is that instead of using the facts that are available (like a broken foot) to theorize why you thought Aldo looked off his game, you use things like Zombie's style "freaking him out."

Also Zombie's style isnt awkward. He plods forward, uses little movement and occasionally will use bezerker rushes to land strikes.

Finally your math doesnt work. Zombie wasnt significantly damaging Aldo before the shoulder injury and lost every round. There is nothing to show that even w/o the shoulder injury, Zombie wouldve won that fight. There is a reason NO ONE is demanding a rematch.

[Hiro1]

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I had a roommate I'd debate things with all the time. His favorite line was "regardless of the fact" So imagine you saying regardless of the fact Aldo broke his foot zombie was in his head. We're not talking about a jammed finger here.

In other news it looks like Zombie might have broken his foot as well in the fight.

[allBthere]

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It was a 30-27 Aldo fight before the 4th round. It was a fight where Zombie was finished and never did any significant damage to Aldo. My issue with your analysis is that instead of using the facts that are available (like a broken foot) to theorize why you thought Aldo looked off his game, you use things like Zombie's style "freaking him out."

Also Zombie's style isnt awkward. He plods forward, uses little movement and occasionally will use bezerker rushes to land strikes.

Finally your math doesnt work. Zombie wasnt significantly damaging Aldo before the shoulder injury and lost every round. There is nothing to show that even w/o the shoulder injury, Zombie wouldve won that fight. There is a reason NO ONE is demanding a rematch.

Actually I mentioned visible things I saw in my post that you just chose to ignore and said that as a result of those things my impression is that his style does mess with him. I'm not sure why you 'have a problem with that'. I'm around fighters all the time and also have experience fighting so maybe I see things you don't see. It's ridiculous for you to say zombie was finished and that he did no significant damage to aldo because on the flip side Aldo did no significant damage to Zombie and ever more silly for you to say that Zombie was finished (as if it counts like a normal stoppage) - when it was SOLEY as a RESULT of the should injury - you can't use that as a bargaining chip...damn.

Zombie's style I actually do consider awkward, it's not clear what he's going to do, he changes from high energy to flat footedness at unpredictable times and he strikes are sneaky and land. If he was as you described he never would have made it this far. I've seen extreme improvement in him since the garcia fight and was impressed with his movement in there with aldo.

finally my 'math' was a semi-sarcastic remark to show your original post was a silly way to respond to my thoughts immediately after seeing the fight. Zombie landed shots, there was at least one I thought was 'damaging' or may have stunned Aldo a bit and regarding 'losing every round' - that may be the case, but it was close and Aldo was certainly not anywhere close to dominating Zombie. You saying he was doing nothing to show he could have won pre-shoulder - a knockout is possible, and the whole point is that we didn't get to see what would have happened.

I can't argue with you on this anymore though because you use what's known as the Straw Man Argument and 50s and 60s style 'voice of god' reasoning.

[aholbert32]

Actually I mentioned visible things I saw in my post that you just chose to ignore and said that as a result of those things my impression is that his style does mess with him. I'm not sure why you 'have a problem with that'. I'm around fighters all the time and also have experience fighting so maybe I see things you don't see. It's ridiculous for you to say zombie was finished and that he did no significant damage to aldo because on the flip side Aldo did no significant damage to Zombie and ever more silly for you to say that Zombie was finished (as if it counts like a normal stoppage) - when it was SOLEY as a RESULT of the should injury - you can't use that as a bargaining chip...damn.

Zombie's style I actually do consider awkward, it's not clear what he's going to do, he changes from high energy to flat footedness at unpredictable times and he strikes are sneaky and land. If he was as you described he never would have made it this far. I've seen extreme improvement in him since the garcia fight and was impressed with his movement in there with aldo.

finally my 'math' was a semi-sarcastic remark to show your original post was a silly way to respond to my thoughts immediately after seeing the fight. Zombie landed shots, there was at least one I thought was 'damaging' or may have stunned Aldo a bit and regarding 'losing every round' - that may be the case, but it was close and Aldo was certainly not anywhere close to dominating Zombie. You saying he was doing nothing to show he could have won pre-shoulder - a knockout is possible, and the whole point is that we didn't get to see what would have happened.

I can't argue with you on this anymore though because you use what's known as the Straw Man Argument and 50s and 60s style 'voice of god' reasoning.

You don't have to argue with me about this anymore. I typically ignore most of your mma related posts because they are typically bizarre and lack any kind of substance behind them. This Aldo post was so ridiculous that it caused me to respond but I'll go back to doing what I normally do.