UFC 162 - Silva v. Weidman - July 6

[jeremym480]

I'm surprised how many people took a woozy, emotional Silva's words at face value. He wasn't anywhere near the right state of mind to make career decisions. I thought that was obvious.

Yeah, after he repeated the same 2-3 phrases over and over again, I was pretty sure that he was still out of it or in shock.

I want to see him go to 205. Only because a rematch with Weidman is the only fight I'm interested in seeing him fight at 185.

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[Phobia]

Re: UFC 162 - Silva v. Weidman - July 6

Hmm. Did you think he was disrespectful against Bonner? Against Okami? Against Griffin? Because he did the same thing against them. The only difference is he got knocked out.

I feel he has been a disrespectful *** for a while now. It is almost like it got worse after each fight, slowly over time he got worse and worse with the "Diaz" brother type ring antics. Sticking the chin out asking to be hit, talking in the ring, dancing around and mocking opponents, dancing around and doing nothing, and it just became more and more pronounced over time.

If you have seen the documentary "Like Water", I feel it shows pretty good why people don't like Anderson. People respect him as one of the greatest fighters ever and love to see him fight just for how amazing he is. I think people just grew tired of seeing him act like a *** in the ring. Go out there and show your amazing skills, end the guy with your impressive striking, but cut out all the nonsense you been bringing.

I feel like a focused Anderson would of beat Weidman 10/10 times. I think Silva is his own worst enemy. Get his mind in the proper place and he is literally almost unbeatable, but catch him when he is not in the right place and you get matches like Silva/Sonnen 1 and this fight. I personally think he is tired and really wants to retire soon. Imagine training hard and to the level he has for as long as he has, I bet he just wants a break to go home and relax. The legacy as the GOAT is there whether you like him or not though.

[dsallupinyaarea]

Re: UFC 162 - Silva v. Weidman - July 6

I loved Silva's antics and found them very entertaining. I also love when teams run up the score in other sports, so there's that.

[Phobia]

Re: UFC 162 - Silva v. Weidman - July 6

I loved Silva's antics and found them very entertaining. I also love when teams run up the score in other sports, so there's that.

Yea and respect & class has been lost more so in our current sports era than ever before. I'm torn on it to be honest. For instance, I loved watching Roy Jones Jr. do his thing. He made guys look silly and clowned them while doing it, yet it didn't seem to come off malicious in nature. Where Anderson on the other hand has almost come off like a bully would be a good comparison.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 162 - Silva v. Weidman - July 6

I feel he has been a disrespectful *** for a while now. It is almost like it got worse after each fight, slowly over time he got worse and worse with the "Diaz" brother type ring antics. Sticking the chin out asking to be hit, talking in the ring, dancing around and mocking opponents, dancing around and doing nothing, and it just became more and more pronounced over time.

If you have seen the documentary "Like Water", I feel it shows pretty good why people don't like Anderson. People respect him as one of the greatest fighters ever and love to see him fight just for how amazing he is. I think people just grew tired of seeing him act like a *** in the ring. Go out there and show your amazing skills, end the guy with your impressive striking, but cut out all the nonsense you been bringing.

I feel like a focused Anderson would of beat Weidman 10/10 times. I think Silva is his own worst enemy. Get his mind in the proper place and he is literally almost unbeatable, but catch him when he is not in the right place and you get matches like Silva/Sonnen 1 and this fight. I personally think he is tired and really wants to retire soon. Imagine training hard and to the level he has for as long as he has, I bet he just wants a break to go home and relax. The legacy as the GOAT is there whether you like him or not though.

Great post. I dont mind the showboating as long as he finishes the opponent. I hated the Maia fight because he toyed with him but refused to engage.

I dont buy the "take a break, tired of the grind" "tired of the pressure of defending the belt" stuff. Anderson has fought twice a year since 2008. He's been relaxing a ton for the past 5 yrs. Doing movies and commercials. Opening gyms in CA and Brazil. Most MMA training camps are 8-12 weeks. At the most, he trains 6 mos out of the year with his current schedule.

Here is what happened imo. He didnt think Weidman was worthy of a shot. He was hoping Bisping wouldve beat Belfort so he couldve faced a bigger name. Weidman only got the shot because other top MWs either already lost to Silva or lost recently. When Silva realized Weidman was the only one left, he took the fight.

I think that all the hype where other fighters were picking Weidman got to him. He didnt want to just beat Weidman, he wanted to embarrass him and thats where the dancing came in. He showboats when he doesnt respect his opponent (Leites, Griffin, Bonner, Maia). He didnt respect Weidman and he paid for it.

[Phobia]

Re: UFC 162 - Silva v. Weidman - July 6

Great post. I dont mind the showboating as long as he finishes the opponent. I hated the Maia fight because he toyed with him but refused to engage.

I dont buy the "take a break, tired of the grind" "tired of the pressure of defending the belt" stuff. Anderson has fought twice a year since 2008. He's been relaxing a ton for the past 5 yrs. Doing movies and commercials. Opening gyms in CA and Brazil. Most MMA training camps are 8-12 weeks. At the most, he trains 6 mos out of the year with his current schedule.

Here is what happened imo. He didnt think Weidman was worthy of a shot. He was hoping Bisping wouldve beat Belfort so he couldve faced a bigger name. Weidman only got the shot because other top MWs either already lost to Silva or lost recently. When Silva realized Weidman was the only one left, he took the fight.

I think that all the hype where other fighters were picking Weidman got to him. He didnt want to just beat Weidman, he wanted to embarrass him and thats where the dancing came in. He showboats when he doesnt respect his opponent (Leites, Griffin, Bonner, Maia). He didnt respect Weidman and he paid for it.

I think that is a good observation and very well could be the case.

As far as the "pressure defending the belt". I think its a combination that Anderson does not like all the non-fight stuff. Promoting fights, talking and engaging with fans, radio interviews, tv ads and commercials, so on and so forth. Then add in the fact everyone basically wants to see you lose every fight. I think it grew on him and ate at him pressure wise. Maybe I'm off base there, but he has not seemed as "hungry". Almost like a "ahhhhhhh do I have to?!?!?!" type mentality. So that lead me to believe by his demeanor he is just ready to take a break for a while.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 162 - Silva v. Weidman - July 6

I think that is a good observation and very well could be the case.

As far as the "pressure defending the belt". I think its a combination that Anderson does not like all the non-fight stuff. Promoting fights, talking and engaging with fans, radio interviews, tv ads and commercials, so on and so forth. Then add in the fact everyone basically wants to see you lose every fight. I think it grew on him and ate at him pressure wise. Maybe I'm off base there, but he has not seemed as "hungry". Almost like a "ahhhhhhh do I have to?!?!?!" type mentality. So that lead me to believe by his demeanor he is just ready to take a break for a while.

I think you are right but thats Anderson being a diva. He starts promoting a fight 2 weeks before the actual fight. He does the 1 hr phone press conference two weeks out. He does the two day press tour the Monday and Tuesday of fight week. He does the open workouts for an hour on Wed and the press conference on Thurs.

The only thing I'll disagree with is that everyone wants him to lose. The crowd was 80/20 Silva at the weighins and at the arena before the fight. They wanted him to win. The only time I can recall the crowd being actively against him was before the Sonnen fights and the Griffin fight. Its not a coincidence that those fights happened right after the time he acted like a damn fool in the Maia and Leites fights.

If he was 30, I would think he would take a break but he's 38. He will take a month off and will be back training by October at the latest.

[blackceasar]

Re: UFC 162 - Silva v. Weidman - July 6

I think if the rematch actually happens, Silva wins the belt back, and I don't think it even goes 5 rounds. Silva is in a class all by himself and if you were to remove the "showing off" from the fight, the first fight wouldn't have went 5 rounds.

Weidman immediately offered the rematch because I think deep down inside he wants to truly "beat" Silva and he knows he didnt beat him, Silva just lost. The rematch needs to happen for both of them. For Silva to just prove that when he's not clowning, there isnt a man in his weight class or at 205 or 170 that could probably beat him. Weidman needs the rematch just as bad to truly solidify himself as the champion.

If you think about it, Silva has destroyed other fighters that I think would beat Weidman. It will be interesting to see what happens.

As far as people saying "good riddance" and "he fought a bunch of chumps"... well you people act like the fights were of his choosing. This isn't boxing where you have 20 different championships in the same weight class WBA, WBC, ABC, DEF, GHI, and whatever else you want to put in there. This isnt boxing where a fighter can continuoulsly duck other opponnents. This is the UFC where Dana White and crew make the matches. They all work for Dana. If Dana says you are fighting X then you are fighting X or go fight in another company. There is no ducking in the UFC, so for people to talk about Silva as if he hadnt really fought anyone until Weidman, you probably need to get a UFC for Dummies book.

It's not Silvas fault that he's just been that much better than other people he's faced and to be honest, if he had not caught Sononen's punch off his back with like 40 seconds left in their first fight, Sonen would have won that fight by unaminmous decision.

If there is a Silva Weidman II, I'm putting my money on Silva. I think there are better fighters out there Silva has beat at 185 and 205. Weidman just happened to be just good enough to knock out a bored and showboating Silva. Again, take the showboating away, and Weidman doesnt make it out of probably 3 rounds.

And since the UFC is a business first, did anyone notice the look on Dana's face when he was in the ring holding the belt right before they announced the official outcome of the fight? He had a look of disgust on his face. I don't think it's as much about Silva clowning as it was him thinking "dam... how am I supposed to hype up these superfights now?? crap!"

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 162 - Silva v. Weidman - July 6

I think if the rematch actually happens, Silva wins the belt back, and I don't think it even goes 5 rounds. Silva is in a class all by himself and if you were to remove the "showing off" from the fight, the first fight wouldn't have went 5 rounds.

Weidman immediately offered the rematch because I think deep down inside he wants to truly "beat" Silva and he knows he didnt beat him, Silva just lost. The rematch needs to happen for both of them. For Silva to just prove that when he's not clowning, there isnt a man in his weight class or at 205 or 170 that could probably beat him. Weidman needs the rematch just as bad to truly solidify himself as the champion.

If you think about it, Silva has destroyed other fighters that I think would beat Weidman. It will be interesting to see what happens.

As far as people saying "good riddance" and "he fought a bunch of chumps"... well you people act like the fights were of his choosing. This isn't boxing where you have 20 different championships in the same weight class WBA, WBC, ABC, DEF, GHI, and whatever else you want to put in there. This isnt boxing where a fighter can continuoulsly duck other opponnents. This is the UFC where Dana White and crew make the matches. They all work for Dana. If Dana says you are fighting X then you are fighting X or go fight in another company. There is no ducking in the UFC, so for people to talk about Silva as if he hadnt really fought anyone until Weidman, you probably need to get a UFC for Dummies book.

It's not Silvas fault that he's just been that much better than other people he's faced and to be honest, if he had not caught Sononen's punch off his back with like 40 seconds left in their first fight, Sonen would have won that fight by unaminmous decision.

If there is a Silva Weidman II, I'm putting my money on Silva. I think there are better fighters out there Silva has beat at 185 and 205. Weidman just happened to be just good enough to knock out a bored and showboating Silva. Again, take the showboating away, and Weidman doesnt make it out of probably 3 rounds.

And since the UFC is a business first, did anyone notice the look on Dana's face when he was in the ring holding the belt right before they announced the official outcome of the fight? He had a look of disgust on his face. I don't think it's as much about Silva clowning as it was him thinking "dam... how am I supposed to hype up these superfights now?? crap!"

Good post. Only thing I'll say is Weidman was talking about giving Silva an immediate remacth 3 mos before the fight.

[shugknight]

Re: UFC 162 - Silva v. Weidman - July 6

Hmm. Did you think he was disrespectful against Bonner? Against Okami? Against Griffin? Because he did the same thing against them. The only difference is he got knocked out.

I did actually. Like I said, I started to hate him when he I first witnessed him showboating like a fool. Even if he won the fight and still did the same stupid actions, I would still call him the fool that he is.

[Hiro1]

Re: UFC 162 - Silva v. Weidman - July 6

Im not a huge BR fan, but I felt this was a great analysis of the fight.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1695987-ufc-162-how-chris-weidman-killed-the-king

In short : Weidman had a game plan for Silva's swaying and executed it perfectly.

After thinking about it in its design the whole point of taunting your opponent is so he feels disrespected and does something illogical or abandon's his gameplan. I dont see how people can see it any other way. Even if he is just having fun (which I love) it's still at the expense of others.

[redsrule]

Re: UFC 162 - Silva v. Weidman - July 6

Jack Slack is an excellent writer, and is probably the only good thing about Bleacher Report.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 162 - Silva v. Weidman - July 6

Im not a huge BR fan, but I felt this was a great analysis of the fight.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1695987-ufc-162-how-chris-weidman-killed-the-king

In short : Weidman had a game plan for Silva's swaying and executed it perfectly.

After thinking about it in its design the whole point of taunting your opponent is so he feels disrespected and does something illogical or abandon's his gameplan. I dont see how people can see it any other way. Even if he is just having fun (which I love) it's still at the expense of others.

Great ****ing article.

[woody2goody]

Re: UFC 162 - Silva v. Weidman - July 6

Silva did pay for the taunting, but it seemed like it was a gameplan more than arrogance.

Obviously there was a bit of arrogance there, but to me it looked like Anderson was simply trying to goad Weidman into a slugfest where he would be at his best.

As we've all seen, Silva is a counter-puncher mostly, and Weidman was staying disciplined when the fight returned to the feet at the end of the first round. This is when Silva started to warm up the crowd and started to say things to Chris.

The fact that the so-called 'clowning' escalated in round 2 just seemed to be a symptom of Weidman not falling for the strategy. I don't believe Anderson Silva is a disrespectful person, but I do believe that his game plan failed this time.

I am happy he has been defeated, but a little hollow at the same time. Silva has been a very good champion, and if he had swayed the other way he might still be today. Things can't last for ever, and I just hope that his last 10 fights will be his best, and that the UFC gives him the toughest opponents possible.

I don't believe that the superfights with Jones and GSP are not going to happen. If anything, him losing the belt makes these fights more of a possibility, as he doesn't have to take a fight separate to the title race in his own division. I think in this respect it makes it easier for the UFC's top brass to make these dream matches.

[The Chef]

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Great ****ing article.

Agreed completely and assuming that was Weidmans gameplan heading in, he had a really good one. What this now does is open peoples eyes to the benefit of doubling up punches against Silva to get him leaning back and open to the left/right hook, in that regard it makes me wonder if Silva lost a lot of luster last night and he wont ever be the same again. Its easy to tell him not to defend like that but thats all hes ever done and Im not so sure it would be easy for him to just simply stop doing it altogether.