UFC 220: Miocic vs Ngannou

[TheShizNo1]

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I think most fights between DC and Gus would be close. If Jones didn't exist... He'd be the Frazier to the Ali. Rumble being Foreman.

Love this analogy


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[GoDucks1224]

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Wasn't part of the issue being that the takedown was very hard for him to attain? FightMetric seems to say that he was going for takedowns in the first three but then stopped later on in the fight (http://www.fightmetric.com/fight-det...de8b2c81e91129). Purely from the stats.... It looks like he could have employed a takedown heavy strategy more but it's not like Gus is an easy takedown at all. He's also very good at getting back up once he's taken down. So playing that game with Gus in a five round fight is not a surefire way to victory whatsoever.

I've personally always believed that Gus would beat him in a rematch. DC is only getting older. Gus almost finished him in their last fight. He got tagged repeatedly by Volkan in the first round. Gus is definitely a better boxer than Volkan. The issue for Gus would be keeping DC out of his face and staying out of the clinch. Something Volkan seemed to do pretty successfully in the first round.

I think most fights between DC and Gus would be close. If Jones didn't exist... He'd be the Frazier to the Ali. Rumble being Foreman.

I don't really see DC beating Stipe but I'd love to see it. Sadly, nothing is going to get DC that number 1 spot other than beating Jones imo. A Stipe win would get him damn close but we'd all just say Jones would beat him too most likely.

I think Gus would win, too. Dude just runs away if you try to grapple him (which can be very frustrating as a viewer) and he can stand and bang with the best of them. And those knees.. Man those knees.

[WarMMA]

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Was rooting for Ngannou, it's rare UFC puts their machine behind someone like him. It's usually the people who look like Sage Northcutt and Paige who get the big push. I think a lot of that has to do with Stipe's reluctance to promote himself.

He breaks the record with 3 title defenses, but his decision win does nothing to propel his stardom really.(I don't think he really cares honestly) He needed to end the hype train in spectacular fashion, but instead just goaded it into running out of steam. He can feel disrespected all he wants, but no one cares about him fighting outside a niche of hardcore fans.

Cain needs to do the MMA world a favor and step aside so we can see Stipe vs D.C.


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Well cuz of the gameplan Stipe had to go with (the wrestling and grappling) it made it that more difficult to finish Ngannou. Ngannou is tough as hell and has an iron chin which makes him even more scary to stand with. Stipe had to fight that way if he wanted to win cuz he couldn't stand with Ngannou so he do go with the grappling gameplan, which was smart. It definitely doesn't propel his stardom winning like that, but breaking the record was a nice feather in his cap.

[p_rushing]

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You've just mentioned half of the MMA game. That's the issue lol. You also forgot cardio.

He's a nightmare for anyone in the first round but yeah. My thing is that the Cisse fight happened 4 years ago and this performance was reminiscent of that one. That's not the best sign. We'll see. I wish him the best and hope he does well. I definitely think he needed a bit of humbling though. He fell into the trap of believing his own hype.

He'll probably always be in the top 15 but I don't see him becoming a champion. Stranger things have happened though and it is the HW division.

If reports are to be believed, he didn't train any grappling for this fight.

If true, the guy needs to just quit. If he doesn't try to get better, he doesn't deserve a roster spot.

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[TheShizNo1]

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If true, the guy needs to just quit. If he doesn't try to get better, he doesn't deserve a roster spot.

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So dramatic, man.

If he can continue to brutally KO guys, even if not the upper echelon guys, then he most definitely deserves a spot in the UFC.

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[Brutus3Ball]

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Was rooting for Ngannou, it's rare UFC puts their machine behind someone like him. It's usually the people who look like Sage Northcutt and Paige who get the big push. I think a lot of that has to do with Stipe's reluctance to promote himself.

He breaks the record with 3 title defenses, but his decision win does nothing to propel his stardom really.(I don't think he really cares honestly) He needed to end the hype train in spectacular fashion, but instead just goaded it into running out of steam. He can feel disrespected all he wants, but no one cares about him fighting outside a niche of hardcore fans.

Cain needs to do the MMA world a favor and step aside so we can see Stipe vs D.C.


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He doesn't care about stardom or anyone's opinion on his career really, even Dana white and told Dana white to **** off and to eat a bag of d**** many times before.

Stipe looks after himself and his famil, his corner and his fan base and that's all he needs

Sure we can say he's not a loud mouth like some of the other "stars but who cares ? His career resume speaks for itself. There's not a harder worker in UFC right now.

He also didn't just wait out Francis, he text book dominated the fighr, I know you were rooting for the eventual loser, but you gotta look at the facts, miocic landed 300 punches and got hit just 22 times for a reason. He's that phenomenal

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So dramatic, man.

If he can continue to brutally KO guys, even if not the upper echelon guys, then he most definitely deserves a spot in the UFC.

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If he doesn't want to put in the effort, let him go to Bellator, it's full of fighters that abandoned MMA for punching power. I'd rather see fighters that are well rounded in more than 1 area as it is going to end up like that fight did now.

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[Dave_S]

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If reports are to be believed, he didn't train any grappling for this fight.

If true, the guy needs to just quit. If he doesn't try to get better, he doesn't deserve a roster spot.

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When you have a bunch of yes men behind you at the ufc performance center it's probably hard to diagnose a fighter's actual weak areas. Plus he was busy doing PR.

[Hiro1]

UFC 220: Miocic vs Ngannou

He doesn't care about stardom or anyone's opinion on his career really, even Dana white and told Dana white to **** off and to eat a bag of d**** many times before.



Stipe looks after himself and his famil, his corner and his fan base and that's all he needs



Sure we can say he's not a loud mouth like some of the other "stars but who cares ? His career resume speaks for itself. There's not a harder worker in UFC right now.



He also didn't just wait out Francis, he text book dominated the fighr, I know you were rooting for the eventual loser, but you gotta look at the facts, miocic landed 300 punches and got hit just 22 times for a reason. He's that phenomenal

There is no doubting Stipe is a great fighter. I just find his drawing power or lack there of intriguing. Heavyweights are usually prime to be the biggest draws in the sport. In this respect he is an oddity.

Him landing 300 to 22 still doesn't contradict my point. He smartly evaded all those bombs, let Ngannou gas and then inflicted his will on him for 4 1/2 - 5 rounds.


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[Brutus3Ball]

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There is no doubting Stipe is a great fighter. I just find his drawing power or lack there of intriguing. Heavyweights are usually prime to be the biggest draws in the sport. In this respect he is an oddity.

Him landing 300 to 22 still doesn't contradict my point. He smartly evaded all those bombs, let Ngannou gas and then inflicted his will on him for 4 1/2 - 5 rounds.


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So you agree it was total domination.

Got it.

[Hiro1]

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So you agree it was total domination.



Got it.

Yes I do, which makes your 1st response to my post so odd. Lol My post was about his popularity and what needed to happen to increase it. If you don't care about popularity I understand. The post wasn't for you.



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[Brutus3Ball]

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Yes I do, which makes your 1st response to my post so odd. Lol My post was about his popularity and what needed to happen to increase it. If you don't care about popularity I understand. The post wasn't for you.



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I must have read it wrong haha but stipe doesn't care about popularity either. I mean I think they asked him about what's next for him and he talked about having a baby.

UFC is like a luxury to him, but he knows when it's to get serious. He doesn't care about popularity because he knows he's never going to get Dana whites backing and he doesn't want to be the loud mouth guy that gets his rear kicked that Dana white likes.

His personality isn't a fit for UFC, but his God given talent is.

[WarMMA]

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So dramatic, man.

If he can continue to brutally KO guys, even if not the upper echelon guys, then he most definitely deserves a spot in the UFC.

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I agree. It's not like he is the first guy we have seen like this. Rumble was another ko monster and trash off his back also. I also still believe in Francis hype cuz the hype was never about how much of a complete mma fighter he was...it was all about how hard he hits and its true. Stipe couldn't and wouldn't stand with him. I'm sure he could still beat alot of guys on the HW roster. He does need to get better at his grappling now if he wants to make it back up the ladder, but I still say he definitely still deserves a spot for now.

[Brutus3Ball]

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I agree. It's not like he is the first guy we have seen like this. Rumble was another ko monster and trash off his back also. I also still believe in Francis hype cuz the hype was never about how much of a complete mma fighter he was...it was all about how hard he hits and its true. Stipe couldn't and wouldn't stand with him. I'm sure he could still beat alot of guys on the HW roster. He does need to get better at his grappling now if he wants to make it back up the ladder, but I still say he definitely still deserves a spot for now.

you're only lying to yourself if you think Stipe couldn't stand with him.

[GoDucks1224]

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I agree. It's not like he is the first guy we have seen like this. Rumble was another ko monster and trash off his back also. I also still believe in Francis hype cuz the hype was never about how much of a complete mma fighter he was...it was all about how hard he hits and its true. Stipe couldn't and wouldn't stand with him. I'm sure he could still beat alot of guys on the HW roster. He does need to get better at his grappling now if he wants to make it back up the ladder, but I still say he definitely still deserves a spot for now.

I’m honestly pretty confident Stipe could stand with him lol. I mean.. Stipe has had 8 KO’s out of his 14 UFC fights. It’s not like he’s not a striker. Or isn’t a KO artist himself. Sure, he doesn’t have Ngannou’s athleticism. But he’s absolutely got heavy hands. And for what it’s worth, Stipe hasn’t punched that machine Francis did. I’d wager the difference isn’t as big as everyone thinks.