UFC 232: Jones v Gustafsson 2

[Dave_S]

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I'm excited for that fight. Even thought I'm kinda rooting for Amanda, I really like Cyborg.


Cris seems like such a good person outside of the octagon.

[p_rushing]

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I consider Valentina (at 135) and Germaine de Randamie killers. Julia Budd to a lesser degree. And Ronda used to be. people forget she blew through a ton of currently active successful fighters.
Amanda beat them all. (we can argue about Valentina, but she's currently 0-2).
Then you got solid wins like Miesha Tate, and Sara McMann.

Cyborg is a different story. her biggest wins are Gina Carano, Leslie Smith, and Holly Holm. I believe Cyborg will be a DJ, or a GSP, we will remember them more fondly when they leave and we see other great fighters and we get to play the nostalgia game of: "what if Cyborg fought X."

I see killers as someone who can swarm, knock you out, or bloody you up with ground and pound.

None of the 135ers are that and Ronda was fighting unskilled strikers that were as bad as her or just a little better.

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[MacGowan]

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I see killers as someone who can swarm, knock you out, or bloody you up with ground and pound.

Fair enough. I consider Germaine de Randamie a legit beast, but I'm not gonna die on that hill.

Ronda was fighting unskilled strikers that were as bad as her or just a little better.

Well then she was still the best female fighter of her era. just like Royce Gracie, and Bas Rutten. both whom if in their prime would get their *** handed to them by current day regional fighters.

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

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I'm excited for that fight. Even thought I'm kinda rooting for Amanda, I really like Cyborg.


Cris seems like such a good person outside of the octagon.

And Amanda ain't ...[emoji15]

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[rabbitfistssaipailo]

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I see killers as someone who can swarm, knock you out, or bloody you up with ground and pound.

None of the 135ers are that and Ronda was fighting unskilled strikers that were as bad as her or just a little better.

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I don't think they were less skilled ...I think Holly figured out Rhonda . And the legend ...the myth just died .

Amanda just went in and crushed Rhonda who at that point was not the same mentally .

Trust me had Rhonda stuck around and got her head right she would definitely have run through the rest of the division again save for Holly , Amanda and cyborg .

Who knows for certain ...

We could be seeing the very same thing about Connor too . They will figure it out and some legend killer will come along and boom ...

Just look at Holly after beating Rhonda ...she looses to Tate or who was it again ..... Who arguably had put up the best grappling/submission defensive display against Rhonda .





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[Dave_S]

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And Amanda ain't ...[emoji15]

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Amanda might be a great person, but I've seen Cyborg do volunteer work and help people a lot on social media.

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

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Amanda might be a great person, but I've seen Cyborg do volunteer work and help people a lot on social media.

Seen her fall out of a shopping cart my dude ....[emoji23] .

Either way interesting fight . Cyborg is tough and she's a beast no doubt . Let's see how it goes .

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[Dave_S]

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Seen her fall out of a shopping cart my dude ....[emoji23] .

Either way interesting fight . Cyborg is tough and she's a beast no doubt . Let's see how it goes .

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I had to look that up.

Maybe Cris should do some movement training with Ido.

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

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[emoji23]

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[MacGowan]

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I don't think they were less skilled ...I think Holly figured out Rhonda . And the legend ...the myth just died .

Amanda just went in and crushed Rhonda who at that point was not the same mentally .

Trust me had Rhonda stuck around and got her head right she would definitely have run through the rest of the division again save for Holly , Amanda and cyborg .

Who knows for certain ...

We could be seeing the very same thing about Connor too . They will figure it out and some legend killer will come along and boom ...

Just look at Holly after beating Rhonda ...she looses to Tate or who was it again ..... Who arguably had put up the best grappling/submission defensive display against Rhonda .





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The rewriting of Ronda's legacy grinds my gears to no end

Just like DJ and the Flyweights, we could argue that the women's divisions aren't/weren't strong, but she did fight the best.
but then because she handled her loses like a real ******* we feel the want to rewrite it into "ronda can't fight, she wasn't fighting real fighters":

WINS (All by stoppages, almost all first round)
1 - Ediane Gomes: tapology #20 current best female featherweight in the world
2 - Charmaine Tweet: tapology #13 current best female featherweight in the world
3 - Sarah D'Alelio: tapology #45 current best female flyweight in the world
4 - Julia Budd: tapology #3 current best female featherweight in the world
5 - Miesha Tate: retired, former UFC Female bantamweight champion
6 - Sarah Kaufman: tapology #7 current best female bantamweight in the world
7 - Liz Carmouche: tapology #3 current best female flyweight in the world
8 - Alexis Davis: tapology #6 current best female flyweight in the world
9 - Cat Zingano: tapology #3 current best female bantamweight in the world
10 - Bethe Correia: tapology #17 current best female bantamweight in the world

That's not a padded record. If that was a humble woman who had bowed to the victor, retired and talked about her loses with a smile on her face we would consider her resume and legacy faaar better than we do.

[Dave_S]

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Most likely Ronda still beats all these fighters.

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

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For some reason she just was caught off guard I haven't seen a lot of Rhonda fights but ...had she taken that fight to the ground ...Holly I mean .

But Holly wasn't planning on sticking around to get clinched and thrown tho .

I don't know she didn't handle the loss very well . Well she is happy now I guess at the WWE .

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[MacGowan]

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I wonder... I think we got to see Women's MMA evolve at a much much faster pace. We went from a Royce to a GSP real fast (of course at a much lower level). She seem unable or unwilling to make the adjustments needed for new day MMA. I could see Ketlen Vieira or Aspen Ladd give her trouble.

Speaking of; Aspen Ladd vs Holly Holm booked. I'm liking that booking. might be too early for her, but it's typical UFC booking at its best: Either Aspen Ladd wins and she's the "next big thang", or Holly wins and she's "back" with two solid wins.

[TheShizNo1]

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Both arguments can and are true. Ronda was a dominating trailblazer. She also had horrible stand-up and eventually paid for it. I have no reason to think Holm doesn't kick her head off 9 times out of 10 (Ronda tried taking it to the ground many times, btw...). I also have no reason to think she doesn't get obliterated by Nunes 10 times out of 10. Ronda, for whatever reason didn't evolve while the rest of the landscape did and pretty fast at that. Ronda was a killer but also the walking metaphor of everyone having a game plan until they get punched in the mouth.

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[p_rushing]

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Not trying to say Ronda wasn't great for the time, but she wasn't a killer. There have been very few killers in WMMA because of skill or raw power that is needed to be a killer. You have younger fighters who have trained since they were young coming up now, so it may change.

I just don't see there really being a time where a bunch of WMMA fighters are killers. Weight and therefore power is the biggest limitation. Volume strikers will continue unless WMMA can start to pull larger women from basketball or other sports into the 135 and 145 divisions. 105, 115, and 125 are a lot better but without the power.

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