Paul Heyman comments on TNA

[CaptainZombie]

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And then again, the old ECW did all the right things and went out of business because nobody watched.

TNA is going down the gutter really fast.

[CaptainZombie]

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ECW didn't "[do] all the right things" and go out of business "because nobody watched." ECW had many stupid ideas and went out of business because Heyman has all the business sense of a three year old.

It's not even the stupid ideas, Heyman spent, spent, spent over his budget and couldn't afford the talent anymore which was one of the reasons why ECW was going down the tubes. VKM came along and swallowed up some talent while Eric Bischoff was raiding talent on his end, so that left Heyman with no name guys, but he made something out of most of the guys that he had left.

[Millennium]

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Heyman was pushed to try to spend a lot of money at the end because Vince and Ted Turner started buying every one of his stars that got any kind of a reaction.

That being said, Heyman is spot on, as is CWood. TNA hasn't developed any of their stars into a 'franchise player'. Every name mentioned should be leading that company, and for Jarrett to have the title run he did is absolutely insane.

As for CWood, this comment is what I have preached from day one with TNA:

I'm a lot more concerned with their in ring style...without any real ring pyschology, it comes off way too spotty and rehearsed, especially watching the counter wrestling sequences.

That about says it all for the majority of the work on TNA. And fans are getting tired of it...as I said they would.

[highheatkingsb]

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TNA is going down the gutter really fast.

That's why they continue to grow in viewers week after week. Maybe some people on this site can take Meltzer's job, he's been declaring TNA's death since day one. Keep dreaming boys. WWE's viewership has been declining a hell of alot more than TNA's, it's just there are so many WWE marks out there, people don't see it. Vince can't do anything wrong in their eyes, which says alot about those people. I enjoy the WWE product when it's good, and it's been a long, long, time since then.

[xfactor9600]

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I started watching TNA when it debuted on Spike. I liked Impact. I wished it was longer. Tome the product really started to hurt when SPike moved it to Thursday Nights at 11. I seldom catch it "live anymore. I run through it on tivo usually sunday mornings. I haven't bought the last two PPV's and won't get the one next Sunday.

The shows for the post part are horribly booked, and as most have said... they push a guy for a few months and then they move on....

For the life of me I cant' figure out booking wise how Ron Killings suddenly is back in the World Title Scene.... or WHY C.D and Styles are somehow #1 contenders.

[Lintyfresh85]

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That's why they continue to grow in viewers week after week. Maybe some people on this site can take Meltzer's job, he's been declaring TNA's death since day one. Keep dreaming boys. WWE's viewership has been declining a hell of alot more than TNA's, it's just there are so many WWE marks out there, people don't see it. Vince can't do anything wrong in their eyes, which says alot about those people. I enjoy the WWE product when it's good, and it's been a long, long, time since then.

You're contradicting yourself throughout that post but whatever....

As Millenium and CWood correctly pointed out, TNA is a rehearsed spot fest.... everything looks planned out before hand. It's like a bunch of Randy Savage's have invaded TNA and must know every single move by heart before they get out there.... TNA isn't a wrestling alternative, for whatever reason they've decided its best to become a copy cat WWE... and they suck at it.... They were good when they were content with being TNA, but now that they are trying to be WWE.... on 1/4 the budget they suck at it.

[CWood2]

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WWE's viewership has been declining a hell of alot more than TNA's, it's just there are so many WWE marks out there, people don't see it. Vince can't do anything wrong in their eyes, which says alot about those people. I enjoy the WWE product when it's good, and it's been a long, long, time since then.

You're comparing apples and oranges. That's like saying IBM has lost 1% market share this past year, while Luke's Family PCs has grown 33%...

And for point of reference, Vince can't do anything RIGHT for me...rehashing the nWO, dx, and all these other ridiculous gimmicks you see is proof to me he never sucessfully replaced Stone Cold, the Rock, Y2J, and the leaders of that past generation. I'm rooting for TNA just like I rooted for WCW, but they're both sharing a lot of really bad similarities.

[Jon22]

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You're contradicting yourself throughout that post but whatever....

As Millenium and CWood correctly pointed out, TNA is a rehearsed spot fest.... everything looks planned out before hand. It's like a bunch of Randy Savage's have invaded TNA and must know every single move by heart before they get out there.... TNA isn't a wrestling alternative, for whatever reason they've decided its best to become a copy cat WWE... and they suck at it.... They were good when they were content with being TNA, but now that they are trying to be WWE.... on 1/4 the budget they suck at it.

I would be scared to hear what you think of Ecw now... compared to what it used to be.

[sven]

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You're contradicting yourself throughout that post but whatever....

As Millenium and CWood correctly pointed out, TNA is a rehearsed spot fest.... everything looks planned out before hand.

Yep pretty much. It usually looks more like dance than a wrestling match. If anyone wants to see what the guys can REALLY do they should just pick up a few ROH DVDs.

[highheatkingsb]

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I would be scared to hear what you think of Ecw now... compared to what it used to be.

Oh, I'm sure ECW is the greatest thing on earth now since it's under WWE to some. Those same people couldn't stand the product when it was truly ECW.

[BGarrett7]

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Oh, I'm sure ECW is the greatest thing on earth now since it's under WWE to some. Those same people couldn't stand the product when it was truly ECW.

Yes, and that is exactly why so many people have already written off the relaunch of ECW as being a disaster, because it is under the WWE umbrella and will be watered down and an ultimate embarassment to the ECW legacy. Excellent logic, indeed.

[sven]

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My doubts about ECW come from the fact that all the people who were worth a damn are not associated with it. People like Malenko, Eddie, Benoit, Jericho, Storm, and Saturn. I their place we get the garbage like Funk, Dreamer, Sandman, Sabu, and the Mahoneys. People whose only talents are hitting people with and getting hit with a kendo stick or chair. But I'll give it a shot for Angle, RVD and hopefully very soon CM Punk.

[Crown42Royal]

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That's why they continue to grow in viewers week after week. Maybe some people on this site can take Meltzer's job, he's been declaring TNA's death since day one. Keep dreaming boys. WWE's viewership has been declining a hell of alot more than TNA's, it's just there are so many WWE marks out there, people don't see it. Vince can't do anything wrong in their eyes, which says alot about those people. I enjoy the WWE product when it's good, and it's been a long, long, time since then.

Television Ratings:
TNA
Raw
Smackdown

Checkout the ratings before you come out and make blanket statements.

Last year Raw was between anywhere from 3.2 - 4.5, but this year they've been a solid 4.0+ for most of the year. Smackdown just plain sucks so their rating haven't been strong in a long time. TNA has been as low as .6 and high as 1.2 and they've had 1.0+ ratings the past 4 shows. But to say that WWE's viewership has been declining more than TNA's is just rediculous.

candyman56, woodc2, and millenium are spot on with all their comments.

ECW is going to cause problems for TNA, mark my words. TNA is following in the footsteps of WCW in bringing in older guys and not bringing up younger guys and developing their characters. It might be good for them in the short run but in the long run they will need to put their young guys in there and promote them, like they were doing in the beginning.

(This is my first post in quite some time)

[Jon22]

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No wrestling promotion is going to effect each other. The only way they would effect each other was if they were on at the same night and same time. When has the WWF effected TNA... never Why would ECW with there Wal-mart workers. TNA didn't even want them. Let me just say, "Thats why you do what you do and they do what they do."

Peace

[CaptainZombie]

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I started watching TNA when it debuted on Spike. I liked Impact. I wished it was longer. Tome the product really started to hurt when SPike moved it to Thursday Nights at 11. I seldom catch it "live anymore. I run through it on tivo usually sunday mornings. I haven't bought the last two PPV's and won't get the one next Sunday.

The shows for the post part are horribly booked, and as most have said... they push a guy for a few months and then they move on....

For the life of me I cant' figure out booking wise how Ron Killings suddenly is back in the World Title Scene.... or WHY C.D and Styles are somehow #1 contenders.

I don't even think the move to Thursdays has been bad, it's your 2 other points that make me shake my head. They push guys to the moon and then drop them like dead flies. Killings and then the Daniels & Styles title shots make no proper booking sense at all imo.

Oh well, I bet that next month the World Champion will be fighting someone that has no place in the World Title picture.