The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

[PVarck31]

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How can anyone say ratings don't matter? Maybe I don't know enough about how the business of television works, but I always thought ratings were the most important thing.

Maybe I am wrong?

[Redacted01]

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How can anyone say ratings don't matter? Maybe I don't know enough about how the business of television works, but I always thought ratings were the most important thing.

Maybe I am wrong?

In the Monday Night Wars, ratings were everything, but now when you have no competition (no, they aren't competition) they don't mean anywhere near as much.

[ubernoob]

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How can anyone say ratings don't matter? Maybe I don't know enough about how the business of television works, but I always thought ratings were the most important thing.

Maybe I am wrong?

I think in the new age, it's a big part of the equation but the way ratings are calculated it's not everything anymore. Not 100% sure, obviously, due to me not having any clue what their actual goals are... but ratings are still a fairly big deal. Not the end all, be all that they used to be but still up there.

[PVarck31]

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In the Monday Night Wars, ratings were everything, but now when you have no competition (no, they aren't competition) they don't mean anywhere near as much.

I see what you are saying, but aren't they competing with other shows in their time slot? Or do they not look at that as a goal?

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I see what you are saying, but aren't they competing with other shows in their time slot? Or do they not look at that as a goal?

I've always wonder if there were certain times of the year where ratings would REALLY matter?

I know it's important to have good ratings all year round but is it MORE important/impressive to have good-great ratings from January to April(Wrestlemania)when they're not really competing with anybody or from September-December when they're competing with the NFL, especially on Monday Nights?

[bigbob]

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I see what you are saying, but aren't they competing with other shows in their time slot? Or do they not look at that as a goal?

Yes, and that's why they've gotten desperate that last couple of months and started getting edgier.

Shows that beat this past Monday Night Raw's Viewers..

Castle
The Bachelor
The Biggest Loser
2 Broke Girls (9:00)
Mike & Molly
Deception
How I Met Your Mother
2 Broke Girls (8:30)

[Redacted01]

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Considering this past Monday was the national championship, not the best night to use for comparison.

[fpac]

Yes, and that's why they've gotten desperate that last couple of months and started getting edgier.

Shows that beat this past Monday Night Raw's Viewers..

Castle
The Bachelor
The Biggest Loser
2 Broke Girls (9:00)
Mike & Molly
Deception
How I Met Your Mother
2 Broke Girls (8:30)

Raw's ratings are never going to be higher than network shows.

[Redacted01]

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Raw's ratings are never going to be higher than network shows.

This too. In 1998, when Raw was pulling 4's and 5's routinely, great by their standards, even with MNF on, Everybody Loves Raymond had an average rating of 14.7 for that season. You aren't going to compete.

[Bellsprout]

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If ratings didn't matter, why would McMahon get this angry when they hit a 15 year low?

This is television. Ratings matter. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. This is a business like any other, and ratings are money.

[rangerrick012]

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Rock coming back isn't JUST to help ratings, its for all the things that WWE is pushing that have nothing to do with ratings, i.e. social media. WWE wants that attention, it wants blogs like TMZ to cover what happens because they know that raises brand awareness and keeps WWE's profile high.

[BDKiiing]

Sounds like Skylar Moon, the former Buggy Nova, has been released.

[Mercury112491]

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The obsession week to week with ratings is just not how WWE is going to do their big business anymore, that's what I mean. So obsessing over the Nielsen ratings week to week isn't something they really should be doing anymore (and I don't think they honestly do as much these days, which again, is good). Vince is going to make money based on his TV deals these days he signs with networks, more so than on the advertising.

And, again, that doesn't change the fact that if Rock just being there draws ratings, then that should be enough. He doesn't need the belt. Especially not if he's just going to drop it at Mania. How do you put Cena/Rock as the main event for the title and not assume Cena is going to win? I don't see a scenario where that does a bigger buyrate (maybe it does because it's New York), and a situation where Cena doesn't get boo'd so hard after winning.



Just to be clear, I'm not trying to hate on Rock so to speak. I do think his shtick is tired, and the Cena/Rock feud from last year is unforgivable in terms of how bad it was on both sides most of the time, but I'm not unhappy he's back. I just don't get the obsession with him beating Punk and Cena in consecutive years. And, for the record, I didn't get him beating Cena last year -- although now I guess that's become crystal clear why it happened.

why?

10char

[philliesfan136]

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why?

10char

I guess to set up a heel Punk dropping the title to Rock, so he can face Cena again, who went on to have a tough year in 2012 but makes up for it by winning their second match and the WWE title at the grandaddy of them all, WM 29.

[kingkilla56]

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Yes Tyson Kidd,Sheamus and Ryback are better than The Rock. Brodus Clay,David Otunga and Justin Gabriel are better than The Rock. Vickie Guerreo is better than The Rock. Because The Rock is nothing. The Rock has not contributed to anything in ring for more than 1 day. The Rock doesn't wrestle,therefore anyone that wrestles or entertains even decently and consistantly is better than The Rock. The Rock is better than exactly Great Khali and Randy Orton. That's who The Rock is above. I can understand wanting to bring ratings so I'm not going to stop watching because he has the match though he doesn't deserve it but winning the title is entirely unacceptable.

I've never even heard a Tyson Kidd promo. Last time I heard him talk was in a really funny skit on one of the youtube shows. Doesn't matter if Punk believes it,he's right. Lil Jimmy does get more time than Tyson Kidd. That's not make believe,that's fact. How are they supposed to connect with fans if they're not on the show? How are they supposed to have intresting story lines if they're not given them and "creative" can't come up with anything? Trot them out for meaningless matches on Superstars and that's it. How is that their fault? How are they supposed to do anything with that other than put on a good match? Would you like them to go out,risk getting fired by shooting and coming up with their own story? It's on a taped show,we'd be lucky to see it. In fact you can probably go back about 10-20 pages of this very thread and see a story about an un-named top guy saying the exact same thing backstage to Vince's face. Randy Orton and ADR couldn't connect with fans but they kept shoving them down throats until they did.

I also never said throw the belt on someone. That's exactly what they'd be doing with Rock. I said build someone up to beat Punk. Make it mean something. Not have someone from 10 years ago show up and beat him. They get to hold the belt Rock held anyway. He held them both. All him winning does is waste Punk's reign and apparently puts the belt back on Cena which does exactly nothing for no one. I can tell you whatever ratings Rock would bring would disappear the second Cena won it again if they go through with that. If it turns out Rock or Cena is behind Shield then it'll do something for someone. If Rock got the shot by having a tough match with Ryback it'd be worth something. In the current state it's worthless. I hope kingkilla is right and The Rock knows all this and will refuse to win and point out the utter stupidity of him winning to anyone in WWE that thinks he should. He can win the RR match by DQ or countout. He can have a spot in the EC. But he can't win the title. Especially for the sake of dropping it 3 weeks later to Cena.

Though to put a simple end to this...please walk into a former place of employment of yours from 10 years ago and see if you get the top job.

You shot your own statement in the leg with the bolded. I have no doubt that Rock wont beat Punk for the belt. But to say those people are better than the Rock just because they are there consistently is a stretch. The Rock's body of work is matched by very few in terms of brand recognition, keeping the WWE brand alive, spreading the brand's influence on top of his actual work in the ring and putting over anybody who asked while still keeping his high profile in the business.

Now I understand you dont want him to just win the belt out of nowhere while guys have worked there non-stop. And, again, I dont think hes winning it. But you are making it seem like there is no value in him winning or that it would be the worst thing to ever happen to the company. Thats just not the case.

The guy didnt come back to WWE for the money, or even fame, or for any guy in the lockerroom. How I see it, he did it for his fans. And there is nothing I can bash about that. He doesnt owe the WWE anything at this point in his life and vice versa; so if they want to throw him in the title hunt, scaring the **** out of Punk marks like yourself, thats on the E. They are booking this. Not Rock. So however it ends you can send your vitrol toward them. Not toward the People's Champ!