The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

[MassNole]

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Heyman didn't book D2D IIRC.

PWTorch:

Well that is what one dirt sheet says, I've also heard that mess was entirely Heyman's making.

[CaptainZombie]

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I thought he was just flat out fired after D2D. After that, TNA would be ******** if they hired him. They really should marshall their resources and go after Eric Bischoff. He gets how to get a company to the top, something TNA is sorely lacking.

Hell, the WWE really could use Eric Bischoff in the creative department right now too.

In my mind Heyman is still an upgrade over Russo.

Hiring Heyman would be an upgrade for TNA and it would could do damage to the WWE in the long run. I think that Heyman has potential to still have a creative mind in wrestling.

Heyman didn't book D2D IIRC.

PWTorch:

It was VKM that heavily edited D2D and also had it end 45 minutes early. Some people blame Heyman, but it was VKM that had control over the show and every single WWE show.

TNA fire Russo and bring in Heyman..........................

[The GIGGAS]

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Well that is what one dirt sheet says, I've also heard that mess was entirely Heyman's making.

But what are you going to believe? The years of ECW where he didn't screw it up (except financially)... or the year of ECW when he did screw it up but was under VKM?

[MassNole]

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But what are you going to believe? The years of ECW where he didn't screw it up (except financially)... or the year of ECW when he did screw it up but was under VKM?

So are we not going to recognize the huge amount of support that ECW had from the WWE throughout those years. It is my understanding that VKM was the one actually funding ECW for a long time.

I don't doubt what Heyman did in old ECW, but old ECW was never geared for television the way the WWECW and TNA are today. So yes, I seriously question if Heyman can thrive in this world of wrestling compared to what ECW used to be.

[CaptainZombie]

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So are we not going to recognize the huge amount of support that ECW had from the WWE throughout those years. It is my understanding that VKM was the one actually funding ECW for a long time.

I don't doubt what Heyman did in old ECW, but old ECW was never geared for television the way the WWECW and TNA are today. So yes, I seriously question if Heyman can thrive in this world of wrestling compared to what ECW used to be.

I think that Heyman can thrive as long as he is collaborating with others on storyline/booking development and not being "edited" or having ideas changed at the last minute. We saw what he did for ECW back in the 90's, and it was to the point where he burned himself out working 18-20+ hours a day as he said in the Rise/Fall ECW DVD.

I don't think that Heyman and Russo could co-exist. TNA should be paying Heyman money to come in instead of guys like Pacman Jones.

Look at what Heyman alone did for The Big Show, not once but twice in his career. Once in WWE when Big Show won the World Title for the second time, he became a monster feuding with guys like Lesnar, Taker....and it was exciting compared to his first reign. Then when it came to ECW, he made the Big Show appear like yet another unstoppable force.....especially with the small stable that he created that also consisted of The Bashams.

Maybe I've drank too much of the Kool-Aid over the years. LOL!

[Porschebenz2001]

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Heyman didn't book D2D. Vince has control over every show and always will. Heyman wanted CM Punk to eliminate Big Show, to help put him over. Vince wanted Lashley to beat Big Show, and obviously that's what happened. The PPV flopped. Heyman was the easy scapegoat. That's why he got fired. From what I read, he really didn't have to much control over the product anyway.

Bischoff would be great hire for TNA. I don't think he wants to go back to wrestling though. They should go after him hard. He'd be perfect for the two hour opening. Cornette can be ranting and raving and in the ring. Then Bischoff can come out and interrupt him. Then Cornette can talk about WCW and Bischoff can fire back with the many insulting things to say about Cornette.

[MassNole]

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I see what you're saying, and I don't mean to come across as Paul Heyman is completely incapable of being a part of something. I just don't think Heyman can run an entire federation in the television age, but if he is part of a group he could do well.

Although if I am TNA I always have to have one worry about Heyman, would I be getting Heyman, or would be a plant by VKM to help kill TNA in its relative infancy. Their relationship goes back a long time and Heyman tried to go to WCW while on VKM's payroll, so I'd always have that concern if I am TNA management.

[CaptainZombie]

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I see what you're saying, and I don't mean to come across as Paul Heyman is completely incapable of being a part of something. I just don't think Heyman can run an entire federation in the television age, but if he is part of a group he could do well.

Although if I am TNA I always have to have one worry about Heyman, would I be getting Heyman, or would be a plant by VKM to help kill TNA in its relative infancy. Their relationship goes back a long time and Heyman tried to go to WCW while on VKM's payroll, so I'd always have that concern if I am TNA management.

I think that the way that VKM has treated Heyman, I highly doubt the guy would be a plant for WWE. Stephanie McMahon from the reports that have been going around dislikes Heyman like as if he were the plague.

Does anyone know how long Heyman's ECW was being funded by VKM/WWE?

I agree, Heyman needs to be a part of a booking team as the head guy, but he needs the input from the rest of the team before moving forward with an idea. This way it doesn't allow him to go wild. I think it has worked with Russo fairly well so far..............TNA hasn't been complete CRASH TV.

[MassNole]

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Does anyone know how long Heyman's ECW was being funded by VKM/WWE?

In his book Eric Bischoff made it sound like it went for years.

[The GIGGAS]

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So are we not going to recognize the huge amount of support that ECW had from the WWE throughout those years. It is my understanding that VKM was the one actually funding ECW for a long time.

I don't doubt what Heyman did in old ECW, but old ECW was never geared for television the way the WWECW and TNA are today. So yes, I seriously question if Heyman can thrive in this world of wrestling compared to what ECW used to be.

I don't care about finances.

I care about quality. Heyman has it in the creative side. That's where you were going with the D2D complaint.

[TimmeH]

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As soon as the Elimination Chamber match was announced, D2D was doomed to be a failure. They had a small roster as is, and they used all the decent guys they had on that roster in the same match. They didn't leave anything for the undercard.

Plus D2D took place one week after Survivor Series, so nobody really gave a crap about D2D. If I remember right, the E didn't even bother really hyping it up until the last second.

Heyman's a great mind. Give him a lead booking spot with full power and he'll give you some great stuff. Just keep the business side far away from him

[MassNole]

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Per Wrestlezone

We can now confirm that Chris Jericho has picked WWE over TNA for his return to the ring, and that Y2J is likely to return to WWE on 10/7 at the No Mercy PPV. Jericho was in talks with both WWE and TNA, but ultimately opted to mark his return with World Wrestling Entertainment.

[NY4Life]

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Great news for Raw. Between Cena, Jericho, HHH, Kennedy, and Orton, we should see some great feuds/story lines.

[DTX3]

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YES!, now hopefully its full time. With WWE, nothings a for sure.

[cbgatorade0202]

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tho I hate to spoil myself by reading it, No matter what when he finally does appear i'm gonna go crazy