SummerSlam '08 Thread

[babythug23]

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The reason for no blood WWE wants to go to a "PG" rated show. Don't know why they want to head that way.But whatever

[JiggidyJames]

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Speaking of blade jobs, while watching the HHH-HBK 2 out of 3 falls match i seen HBK do the worse blade job ever. That thing was so obvious.

That, and there was a Hogan blade job in a match with Stan Hansen. Either one one would take the title.

EDIT: I totally forgot about HBK at GAB. Wow, I'm slipping.

[vernond]

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Back in the day there were only 4 pay per views a year now that there is 1 a month they only build it up a month in advance to kep pace with others.

Starting in 95 there were 12 ppv's a year. They had an In Your houes ppv every month that didn't have a "major ppv" Rumble, Mania, King of the Ring, Summerslam, Survivor Series. The amount of ppv's isn't the issue. They did awesome shows for 3+ years doing 12 shows a year. It's the fact there's hardly any storylines anymore. There has to be a reason one guy is fighting another. Otherwise it's the equivalent of watching a preseason football game to a playoff or superbowl game. If that's what does it for you that's great. I can't get into watching a show that has little to nothing to do with the show from the week before. Why watch week to week when you know you can pop in anytime and you haven't missed anything other than the random matches. I know Raw has HBK and Jericho and that is awesome but that's only because HBK probably has creative control and has a mind for the business. Smackdown is getting better but Raw is garbage. Vince has gotten so cocky and has his head up his own *** that he thinks he can do whatever he wants and it will be good just because he thinks he can tell the people what they want.

[JiggidyJames]

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Starting in 95 there were 12 ppv's a year. They had an In Your houes ppv every month that didn't have a "major ppv" Rumble, Mania, King of the Ring, Summerslam, Survivor Series. The amount of ppv's isn't the issue. They did awesome shows for 3+ years doing 12 shows a year. It's the fact there's hardly any storylines anymore. There has to be a reason one guy is fighting another. Otherwise it's the equivalent of watching a preseason football game to a playoff or superbowl game. If that's what does it for you that's great. I can't get into watching a show that has little to nothing to do with the show from the week before. Why watch week to week when you know you can pop in anytime and you haven't missed anything other than the random matches. I know Raw has HBK and Jericho and that is awesome but that's only because HBK probably has creative control and has a mind for the business. Smackdown is getting better but Raw is garbage. Vince has gotten so cocky and has his head up his own *** that he thinks he can do whatever he wants and it will be good just because he thinks he can tell the people what they want.

Spoken by someone who truly has no idea what they are talking about. You obviously don't watch the show, so what makes you think that your criticisms are valid? Your post is the equivalant of me discussing Hannah Montana.

There ARE storylines, you would know that if you watched. Shows aren't made up of just "random matches", you would know that if you watched. When someone wants to critique something, they should at least watch it and know what's going on.

The problem with buyrates isn't less storylines. It's a crappy economy, UFC on PPV and cultivation of the younger audience.

You don't know HBK has creative control. Don't make things up to fit your weak arguement.

Ohhh, that last sentence...Do you know the job of a wrestling promoter? It's to give the fans what they think they want. You show me a promoter that gave the fans exactly what they wanted, and I show you a promoter who failed. Vince knows what he's doing, better than any promoter or any fan that thinks he doesn't.

Hey, you don't like wrestling anymore. That's cool, but give me something better than this. You know what the shame of all this is?. We get a great SummerSlam (guess I'm sheep then), but the last few posts are going to be about an old man yelling at clouds.

[vernond]

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Spoken by someone who truly has no idea what they are talking about. You obviously don't watch the show, so what makes you think that your criticisms are valid? Your post is the equivalant of me discussing Hannah Montana.

There ARE storylines, you would know that if you watched. Shows aren't made up of just "random matches", you would know that if you watched. When someone wants to critique something, they should at least watch it and know what's going on.

The problem with buyrates isn't less storylines. It's a crappy economy, UFC on PPV and cultivation of the younger audience.

You don't know HBK has creative control. Don't make things up to fit your weak arguement.

Ohhh, that last sentence...Do you know the job of a wrestling promoter? It's to give the fans what they think they want. You show me a promoter that gave the fans exactly what they wanted, and I show you a promoter who failed. Vince knows what he's doing, better than any promoter or any fan that thinks he doesn't.

Hey, you don't like wrestling anymore. That's cool, but give me something better than this. You know what the shame of all this is?. We get a great SummerSlam (guess I'm sheep then), but the last few posts are going to be about an old man yelling at clouds.

Spoken by someone who is going to say no matter what they run out there it's good. You get a great Summerslam built around the rock solid Cena Batista fued, the HHH Kali match, and Punk vs JBl. I guess i don't know what i'm talking about i forgot the incredible storylines behind these matches. Cena and Batista you're going to fight becuase Mike Adamle said so, Kali you're going to win a battle royal for a title shot at the 2nd biggest show of the year even though you're a jobber, and JBL you challenge Punk to a drinking contest. You had taker and Edge. That had a story to it. It's good. Jericho and Michaels that has a story and you're naive if you don't think HBK has the final say in his storylines. Just like Taker probably does too. You're right i don't know that for a fact. He didn't call me and tell me so but I do know guys of that stature don't just do what they're told. It's no coincidence that these guys are always in good storylines.

Also, i said nothing about buyrates so i don't know where you pulled that out from. You can look at the ratings though. WWE used to have ratings in the high 5's and 6's now they're pulling low 3's. Must be to people having their cable shut off due to the weak economy. Smackdown is a step in the right direction but Raw is in the dumps. You're entitled to your opinion but I think Vince is out of touch with audience.

That's all i've got left to say about the subject. I love wrestling but i'm not going to call it good when it's not. There can be good matches just like there was in the early to mid 90's when wrestling wasn't very good either. There were great matches then like there are now. It doesn't mean the overall product is good just because there's a great match every now and then. Maybe the majority of fans don't care as much about storylines as they do about highspots and all the flash. I know there are different types of fans and that's fine. It's just my opinion that wrestling is weak right now.

[JiggidyJames]

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Spoken by someone who is going to say no matter what they run out there it's good. You get a great Summerslam built around the rock solid Cena Batista fued, the HHH Kali match, and Punk vs JBl. I guess i don't know what i'm talking about i forgot the incredible storylines behind these matches. Cena and Batista you're going to fight becuase Mike Adamle said so, Kali you're going to win a battle royal for a title shot at the 2nd biggest show of the year even though you're a jobber, and JBL you challenge Punk to a drinking contest. You had taker and Edge. That had a story to it. It's good. Jericho and Michaels that has a story and you're naive if you don't think HBK has the final say in his storylines. Just like Taker probably does too. You're right i don't know that for a fact. He didn't call me and tell me so but I do know guys of that stature don't just do what they're told. It's no coincidence that these guys are always in good storylines.

Yeah, everything is great. I LOVED the Hardy/Henry match. 5 STARS!!!

Sure, some builds were weak, but they were in fact built by STORYLINES. There's even stuff going on that didn't make the PPV.

I love how people talk about how dumb current wrestling fans are because they "accept anything", yet those very same people miss the little things that matter. You see, Cena/Batista was a match made by an incompetent GM. I took it as a goof on the IWC nerds who want to book thier own little wet dream matches. Point is further proven by Cena's interaction with Adamle this week. Of course, when you don't watch, you miss these things.

And since when is winning a Battle Royale for a title shot not allowed? Oh yeah, when it's khali. Forgot about the bias rule.

JBL/Punk were going back and forth for weeks, but you only mention the drinking contest. Great job in proving my point even further!

As for creative control, you don't know anything. I read the Observer, too. YAY!

Also, i said nothing about buyrates so i don't know where you pulled that out from. You can look at the ratings though. WWE used to have ratings in the high 5's and 6's now they're pulling low 3's. Must be to people having their cable shut off due to the weak economy. Smackdown is a step in the right direction but Raw is in the dumps. You're entitled to your opinion but I think Vince is out of touch with audience.

LOL, you didn't mention buyrates? You were talking about how PPV was struggling. The point I brought out was that nothing they can do will bring Attitude Era level interest.

People wanted less predictability, so they slowly gave them that. People wanted new faces on top, so they gave them that. Ratings and buyrates remain the same level. Why? Because wrestling isn't mainstream cool like it was 8 years ago. If you think for a second that if WWE started doing better storylines the numbers would swell to 5's and 6's, you live in a vacum.

Attendances, though, are doing great. They've actually declined only a little since Cena slipped down the card, but those are still at Attitude Era numbers.

Oh yeah, a guy like Cena who the entire audience wanted to turn heel and thought was a terrible face. A character that supposedly wasn't what the people wanted filled arenas across the country. Remember what I said about giving not giving the people exactly what they want?

That's all i've got left to say about the subject.

If all you have is negative "back in my day..." nonsense, then yes, please go away.