Ring of Honor

[dan77733]

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Thanks guys.

Just one last question -

Are Claudio and Chris still a tag team?

[TimmeH]

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Thanks guys.

Just one last question -

Are Claudio and Chris still a tag team?

No

[Assassin]

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I watched one of there PPV's before they got the deal with HD Net and after the PPV I was hooked. The shows on HD Net are good to me because there style of wrestling is alot different from WWE & TNA and I like being able to see something different.

I haven't been able to keep up with ROH on HD Net recently cause I don't have the channel and they don't update the libary on the 360 good enough.

[ty5oke]

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The HDnet shows are on youtube. I think a uploader of the name RoHBrazil uploads each show.

[Assassin]

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Thnaks for telling me that. I've been looking forward to seeing the ROH title match for awhile now.

[ty5oke]

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Thnaks for telling me that. I've been looking forward to seeing the ROH title match for awhile now.

No problem..

[woody2goody]

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I watch ROH for the wrestling, and not just for the wrestlers if that makes sense.

I think they'll be ok in the long term. they have a shot at TNA especially if they keep putting out the garbage of the last 6 months. They haven't done anything good since Genesis. Genesis 09 and Bound for Glory 2008 were probably the two best PPVs I've ever seen. Since then, they've put on the WORST PPVs ever. apart from WWE Backlash 2009 that is

Impact is terrible, Raw is infuriating. That's probably why I watch ROH.

They let their wrestlers do proper wrestling, dangerous moves and don't concentrate too much on the 'entertainment'. Dave Prazak is a very good colour commentator who WWE should take a serious look at.

TNA are a disgrace. They complain about the WWE and their policies, and yet all their main eventers are guys who left the WWE or WCW after making their names there.

The best guys in that company (apart from Angle) are guys like Joe, AJ, Beer Money, Lethal Consequences and LAX. They are the guys who we should be getting forced down our throats, not guys like Mick Foley, who can't wrestle his way out of a paper bag, and Sting who's past his best.

TNA say they are a real wrestling company, but watch IMPACT, and the 15-40 minutes of wrestling you get on that per week, and then watch Smackdown, ECW or ROH. ECW has more wrestling in one hour than Impact has in two. Even Raw, yes, Raw, has a good 45 minutes of wrestling usually.

This is why, if they can, ROH has a shot at second place behind WWE, at least for quality of product.

[CWood2]

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Bryan Danielson to WWE.

http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/article.aspx?id=2952

Discuss. How will the greatest wrestler in the world fair in the "e?" How will ROH replace him? Who else is coming with me to Boston to see Dragon vs. Davey??

[JiggidyJames]

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Bryan Danielson to WWE.

http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/article.aspx?id=2952

Discuss. How will the greatest wrestler in the world fair in the "e?" How will ROH replace him? Who else is coming with me to Boston to see Dragon vs. Davey??

He seemed to be playing an important role in getting Tyler Black over on the TV show from what I've seen, but he wasn't in the position he was in '07. So I don't think this sinks them. If they lose Tyler right now, that's a big deal. But with where Danielson was on the card, it isn't the big deal it would've been even a year ago. He was working without a contract, so I think everyone knew it was only a matter of time.

[CWood2]

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He seemed to be playing an important role in getting Tyler Black over on the TV show from what I've seen, but he wasn't in the position he was in '07. So I don't think this sinks them. If they lose Tyler right now, that's a big deal. But with where Danielson was on the card, it isn't the big deal it would've been even a year ago. He was working without a contract, so I think everyone knew it was only a matter of time.

Agreed. Posted my thoughts in the WWE thread, but I got to say this outloud, and you're probably the right guy to say "you're crazy" or "maybe there's some truth to that."

In my head, I'm thinking about how Vince started picking up ECW wrestlers when that promotion became a threat, regardless of how big a threat they actually became. While I'm 98% sure they want Danielson for the same reasons I would ... isn't it a touch convenient that they're taking ROH's best wrestler weeks after they announced their Monday night timeslot?? I'm sure you'll agree that there's something to it if Tyler gets a contract, but I'm hoping that Vince's interest isn't in response to what I just said.

Thoughts?

[JiggidyJames]

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Agreed. Posted my thoughts in the WWE thread, but I got to say this outloud, and you're probably the right guy to say "you're crazy" or "maybe there's some truth to that."

In my head, I'm thinking about how Vince started picking up ECW wrestlers when that promotion became a threat, regardless of how big a threat they actually became. While I'm 98% sure they want Danielson for the same reasons I would ... isn't it a touch convenient that they're taking ROH's best wrestler weeks after they announced their Monday night timeslot?? I'm sure you'll agree that there's something to it if Tyler gets a contract, but I'm hoping that Vince's interest isn't in response to what I just said.

Thoughts?

The thing with ECW was more a moving on thing. Whether he got more money for it or just gave up, Heyman encouraged guys he couldn't pay to go there. So it wasn't a situation like that. ROH though, it might be. I read that it was, then it wasn't, then it was, now it's not entirely...I don't know. Danielson was a given, everyone at ROH knew he'd be gone by the end of the summer. If they sign Eddie Edwards and Austin Aries (or really anyone that doesn't make sense for that enviroment), there's something to it.

We'll see though. There's supposedly one more guy they're trying to get that's "better than anyone in development and half the midcard". Only one's that for sure fit that are Nigel, Claudio and maybe Davey. They backed off Nigel because of his contract last year, but I don't know what the deal with it is now. He's gotta want that guaranteed money after the past year.

Tyler's going there one day no matter what. He admitted that's his goal on FW Daily yesterday. But it would be better for him if he can work on his weaknesses outside of the WWE system for a couple of years. He's under contract anyway.

I went on a little too much, but basically, no. You're not crazy.

[CWood2]

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Glory by Honor weekend is shaping up to be an incredible farewell.

Here's what Boston looks like so far:


First Time In ROH
Bryan Danielson vs. Davey Richards with Shane Hagadorn

Anything Goes Match
Kevin Steen vs. Eddie Edwards with Shane Hagadorn

Special Challenge Match
Nigel McGuinness vs. Kenny Omega

Four Corner Survival
El Generico vs. Chris Hero vs. Claudio Castagnoli vs. Petey Williams

The Rubber Match
Delirious vs. Sonjay Dutt

Tag Team Action
The Young Bucks vs. Cheech & Cloudy

Scheduled to appear:
-ROH World Champion Austin Aries
-Colt Cabana
-Roderick Strong
-Guido Maritato
-The Dark City Fight Club

Love the Omega/Nigel and Bucks/Cheech & Cloudy matchups, the latter is going to be a fast and fun tag match. Great 4 way and obviously Davey/Dragon is a dream match for me and many others. Plus you've got Bret Hart in attendance, which is nice.

[CWood2]

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PWI reporting that the ROH roster is not safe even after losing Nigel and Bryan:

quote: <HR id=quote noShade height="1">As we first reported several weeks ago in the Elite section of PWInsider.com, Ring of Honor moving their HDNet series to Monday Nights captured the attention of World Wrestling Entertainment, sparking the decision to begin closely watching the promotion and signing talent.
Since that time, Bryan Danielson (who has been the MVP and face of ROH from day one) and Nigel McGuinness (who may be the most deserving talent to be signed by WWE in the last decade, Danielson included, based on the level of work and the amount of damage he did to himself during the course of his ROH title reign) agreed in principle to deals with World Wrestling Entertainment.

In the case of Danielson, there was interest in him several months back by WWE and one creative plan was to debut him as Bryan Kendrick's "perfect partner" (if you remember that shelved storyline) but once Kendrick ended up on the chopping block, that idea was iced. In the case of McGuinness, WWE was aware of him and in the past, once instructed Ohio Valley Wrestling to stop using him on their TV because he wasn't a contracted talent but had never made a strong push to sign him in the past, although there were times talent, including William Regal, had suggested him.

Now, as far as whether this ends WWE's interest in ROH talent, I can confirm that is absolutely not the case. Members of WWE creative have been told to watch the ROH TV product and come up with ideas for talents they feel would be "WWE-worthy" (the term used to me) performers.

In my initial report on my Hotline, I mentioned there were 3-5 names being discussed. In the last week, there were three other names who WWE had at least taken a mild interest in beyond McGuinness and Danielson. Now, that doesn't mean they are going to absolutely sign anyone else, but I know there's interest.

Some ROH talents are under long-term contracts. Others, including one who claimed to me on Thursday that he had the option to give ROH thirty days notice in order to be released, may not be. So, it's going to be interesting to see how the story develops and whether any other talent signs.

It's also going to be interesting to see if ROH can develop a new crew of talent to replace the established names that choose to depart, like Danielson and Nigel. In the last ten months, the American Wolves have picked up a ton of momentum, but ROH's battle will be similar to ECW's in the mid-1990s in that they need to be a "teflon" company, not showing the signs of loss while getting new talents over to an audience that deeply loved the departed names.

As of September 26th in New York City, a new chapter truly begins for Ring of Honor.

[CWood2]

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Just back from the show last night in Boston, and I've got 3 major observations:

(1) ROH is by far the coolest, purest product in the states. The post match speech from Davey going near kayfabe, the follow up by Dragon ... these guys love wrestling. Bryan tried to put Davey over as a "better wrestler than he is" ... which makes me think he's going face for a major run at the title. These guys were awesome, and hilarious too. Dragon's talking about how he needs financial security, and someone yells "WWE sucks!!" Bryan: "Hey, you said it not me!! I think the WWE is reaaaallly greeeeeeat!! (huge ackward smile)." These guys are really cool, and it makes you want to root harder for down to earth guys when they hit the big stage.

(2) Dragon/Davey is my MOTY so far. Simply. Unbelievable. Great scientific wrestling. Some major, well timed spots (2 crowd dives and a belly to back off the apron, anyone?). Exhausted, toe to toe, All Japan type finish.

(3) The Young Bucks are the hottest up and coming tag team I've ever seen. Huge props to Cheech and Cloudy for putting on the best opener I've ever seen live. The crowd never came down from the energy these guys created. Very, very crisp tag team moves. Incredible athleticism, and some aerial moves I can't even figure out.

Bonus observation. DO NOT sit in the front row!! 2 women got WRECKED on an irish whip into the barricade and a suicide dive by Davey who hit the crowd at about 80mph.

So even with Dragon and Nigel headed to CT, I feel really good about Ring of Honor. The Briscoes, Tyler Black, Joey Ryan, Jimmy Rave and Jimmy Jacobs were all off the show, yet it was easily the best live event I've ever seen. Aries is a totally different wrestler in his latest heel turn, Davey is blue hot, and the Bucks need the tag titles. Throw in Tyler, KENTA, Kenny Omega, Hero, Claudio, Steenerico, and some TNA vets like Sonjay and Petey, and there is PLENTY of high caliber wrestlers to bring ROH through this potentially challenging, but opportunistic time.

[WWF80sKid]

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My buddies and I used to make every RoH show we could, but they continue to lose talent. I really think with their recent loses of Nigel and Danielson, is about the nail in the coffin. They'll stick around for a little while longer, but those two were huge for RoH. I think it's past it's prime, and about ready to take a big fall.