Full Details On "The Rise and Fall Of WCW" DVD released

[FuzzySlippers]

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here you go dan

Ric Flair vs. Magnum T.A. (NWA World Championship Wrestling 6-15-1985)
Sting & Lex Luger & Barry Windham vs. Flair & Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard (The Main Event 4-3-1988)
Dusty vs. Windham (GAB 1988)
Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat in Chicago (CHI TOWN HEAT)
Rock & Roll Express vs. Midnight Express (WrestleWar 1990)
Midnight Express vs. Southern Boys (GAB 1990)
Steiners vs. Sting & Lex Luger (SUPERBRAWL 91)
Sting vs. Vader (GAB 92)
Rick Rude vs. Sting (Spring Stampede)
Flair vs. Hogan from Orlando (BASH AT THE BEACH 94)
Flair vs. The Giant (WCW Monday Nitro 4-29-96)
Rey Mysterio Jr. vs. Dean Malenko(Clash of the Champions XXXIII)
Syxx vs. Eddie Guerrero (nWo Souled Out)
Guerrero vs. Malenko (WCW Uncensored)
Chris Jericho vs. Juventud Guerrera,(Superbrawl VIII)
Steiners vs. Kevin Nash & Scott Hall (Superbrawl VIII)
DDP & Karl Malone vs. Hogan & Dennis Rodman(Bash at the Beach 98)
Goldberg vs. DDP (Halloween Havoc 98)
Booker T vs. Lance Storm(WCW Monday Nitro 8-7-2000)

[FuzzySlippers]

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You got chills??? From what??? The match being horrible and exposing two of the worst wrestlers in history???

Yeah,seriously. I still don't get it when people call Goldberg an "amazing"talent. Yeah,he was over with the fans,but the guy was crap. And don't get me started on Hogan and his "backrake"of doom.

[dan77733]

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Okay,I was talking about the Real World's Champion thing. Couple of things you're wrong on dan,

1)Flair wasn't released by Bill Watts. As a matter of fact,Bill Watts wasn't even running WCW at the time Flair left,Jim Herd was. As a matter of fact,Bill Watts was the one who lobbied the Turner people to bring Flair back. That was about the only good thing Watts did when he was running things.

2)Flair and Herd didn't get along at all,with Herd thinking Flair was past his prime. He tried to get him to lose the belt at every show,even though Flair was still the biggest draw in the company. Herd tried to cut Flair's salary and Flair said the hell with that.

3)McMahon and Flair had an agreement that if Flair was ever unhappy with his position in the company all he had to do was ask and McMahon would give him his release. You are right about the no compete clause.

4)the reason I mentioned the Hall and Nash thing was because the WWE basically did the same thing with Ric Flair. In fact it's always funny when WWE got mad about the way WCW was handling business,because Vince did the same thing to basically kill the territories back when he was taking the WWE "national" back in the day.

I know my wrestling history dan,especially when it comes to the NWA/WCW.

1) Oops, my mistake. I had the wrong guy in mind but I knew it was someone who wanted to get rid of Flair and isnt Herd also the guy who made Flair cut his hair in order for him to be put under a mask as the Balck Scorpion angle with Sting?

And now, that im thinking about it, Watts was the bald guy with glasses and wasnt he at SuperBrawl III when Flair made his WCW return?

2) Yeah, I got that right where Flair wasnt getting along with the main guy. I just had the main guy mixed up.

3) Yeah, I know that which is why McMahon released him despite having a few months left on his contract.

4) I know about Vince raiding all the other feds but here's a question - did Vince sign all those guys while they were still under contract with there current fed or did he just sign them after they were released or had their contracts expire?

The reason im asking is because Hall and Nash both signed with WCW despite having over six months left on their WWE contract and is why both were "buried" during that time.

I know a lot about wrestling too thanks to the Pro Wrestling Torch and Wrestling Observer newsletters.

Here's another question thats always bugged me -

Back at WCW Slamboree 1993, there was a steel cage tag match between the Hollywood Blondes against Steamboat and Shane Douglas and while I know that Steamboat unmasked himself in that match, the other guy didnt. Was the other guy really Shane Douglas or someone else filling in?

[dan77733]

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here you go dan

Ric Flair vs. Magnum T.A. (NWA World Championship Wrestling 6-15-1985)
Sting & Lex Luger & Barry Windham vs. Flair & Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard (The Main Event 4-3-1988)
Dusty vs. Windham (GAB 1988)
Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat in Chicago (CHI TOWN HEAT)
Rock & Roll Express vs. Midnight Express (WrestleWar 1990)
Midnight Express vs. Southern Boys (GAB 1990)
Steiners vs. Sting & Lex Luger (SUPERBRAWL 91)
Sting vs. Vader (GAB 92)
Rick Rude vs. Sting (Spring Stampede)
Flair vs. Hogan from Orlando (BASH AT THE BEACH 94)
Flair vs. The Giant (WCW Monday Nitro 4-29-96)
Rey Mysterio Jr. vs. Dean Malenko(Clash of the Champions XXXIII)
Syxx vs. Eddie Guerrero (nWo Souled Out)
Guerrero vs. Malenko (WCW Uncensored)
Chris Jericho vs. Juventud Guerrera,(Superbrawl VIII)
Steiners vs. Kevin Nash & Scott Hall (Superbrawl VIII)
DDP & Karl Malone vs. Hogan & Dennis Rodman(Bash at the Beach 98)
Goldberg vs. DDP (Halloween Havoc 98)
Booker T vs. Lance Storm(WCW Monday Nitro 8-7-2000)

Out of the 19 matches, I've seen Flair/Steamboat, RnR/ME, ME/SB, Steiners/Luger and Sting, Rude/Sting, Flair/Hogan and Syxx/Guerrero which was the best match but only because the genius Eric Bischoff didnt want the Flair/Hart match to go longer than it did because it would easily upstage Hogan's main event match. I'm happy the Vader/Sting match is from GAB 1992 because I always wanted to see that match but never did not that I would complain about their leather strap match from SBIII.

I'm not 100% sure if I actually watched The Express/Boys match though. I know that I saw GAB 90 because thats where Sting beat Flair for the belt but the one thing I hated about Turner Home Entertainment back then was that despite the PPV's being about 3 hours, the VHS tapes were only 125 minutes and thus, two or so matches were always cut out.

Thanks for listing the show each match took place on.

[dan77733]

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Yeah,seriously. I still don't get it when people call Goldberg an "amazing"talent. Yeah,he was over with the fans,but the guy was crap. And don't get me started on Hogan and his "backrake"of doom.

Holy crap!!! We finally agree on something. I hated Goldberg and he was basically a 90's version of the Ultimate Warrior without the face paint and somewhat better mic skills but still sucked nonetheless. As for Hogan, I always HATED him even when I was a kid. The only time I ever cheered for him was when he turned heel and started the NWO but then, I booed him a month later when Bischoff gave him the belt at Road Wild or Hogg Wild or whatever that crappy PPV was called.

I was so pissed off when Hogan went to WCW back in 1994 because I knew that all te talent would be held down and that Flair would be playing second best if that. UGH. Hogan ruined WCW just as much as Bischoff did.

[jvalverde88]

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Back at WCW Slamboree 1993, there was a steel cage tag match between the Hollywood Blondes against Steamboat and Shane Douglas and while I know that Steamboat unmasked himself in that match, the other guy didnt. Was the other guy really Shane Douglas or someone else filling in?

It was Tom Zenk, Shane Douglas was fired by then so he didn't compete in that match.

[dan77733]

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It was Tom Zenk, Shane Douglas was fired by then so he didn't compete in that match.

I knew it wasnt Douglas but I never knew who it was that "played" him. 16 years later, I finally know. Why was Douglas fired though?

Thanks.

[FuzzySlippers]

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Holy crap!!! We finally agree on something. I hated Goldberg and he was basically a 90's version of the Ultimate Warrior without the face paint and somewhat better mic skills but still sucked nonetheless. As for Hogan, I always HATED him even when I was a kid. The only time I ever cheered for him was when he turned heel and started the NWO but then, I booed him a month later when Bischoff gave him the belt at Road Wild or Hogg Wild or whatever that crappy PPV was called.

I was so pissed off when Hogan went to WCW back in 1994 because I knew that all te talent would be held down and that Flair would be playing second best if that. UGH. Hogan ruined WCW just as much as Bischoff did.

Don't get me wrong,I enjoyed the Hollywood character. The problem was Hogan and Nash had full control over what happened in their contracts,and the fact that neither one of them cared much for Ric Flair was pretty much the reason Flair was held down. That and the issues with Eric Bischoff. And heck,Flair wasn't even playing second fiddle,he was more like the 3rd wheel.

As far as Hogan and Bischoff ruining WCW,I don't know. Bischoff was one of the smartest guys in the business,even the guys who didn't like him give him that much. Bischoffs problem was he let the inmates run the asylum.

[FuzzySlippers]

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I knew it wasnt Douglas but I never knew who it was that "played" him. 16 years later, I finally know. Why was Douglas fired though?

Thanks.

Not to be a smart *** or anything,but more than likely for the same reason he always gets fired. Probably pissed off the wrong people. You'd think Douglas was a retreating Army with all the bridges he's burned.

[ExtremeGamer]

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I thought the documentary was excellent. Of course many things were glossed over, and I didn't really mind it as much. Wish they covered some of the gimmick busts like Glacier though. Nothing on there with Raven or even Bret Hart's jump to WCW. Nothing about the nWo split into 2 factions. Barely anything on Sting and what he meant to the company either.

But for a history of early WCW, it's fantastic. Watch this DVD and then the Monday Night Wars and you get a great impression of what brought WCW to the highs and what killed them.

[FuzzySlippers]

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"I thought the documentary was excellent. Of course many things were glossed over, and I didn't really mind it as much. Wish they covered some of the gimmick busts like Glacier though. Nothing on there with Raven or even Bret Hart's jump to WCW. Nothing about the nWo split into 2 factions. Barely anything on Sting and what he meant to the company either."

In their defense,though it is kinda hard to do that stuff when the major players didn't want to be involved in this project.

[dan77733]

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Don't get me wrong,I enjoyed the Hollywood character. The problem was Hogan and Nash had full control over what happened in their contracts,and the fact that neither one of them cared much for Ric Flair was pretty much the reason Flair was held down. That and the issues with Eric Bischoff. And heck,Flair wasn't even playing second fiddle,he was more like the 3rd wheel.

As far as Hogan and Bischoff ruining WCW,I don't know. Bischoff was one of the smartest guys in the business,even the guys who didn't like him give him that much. Bischoffs problem was he let the inmates run the asylum.

I hated Hogan period except for that one month after he turned heel but once he won back the belt, it was all over because as usual, every damn thing would be focused on him. Yeah, I know about the control that certain guys had in their contracts and thats why Bischoff deserves blame. After all, he's the one that gave them that control in the first place and common sense tells you that its just a matter of time before those guys become problems. I dont think that Bischoff was that smart at all. WCW back in 1992 and especially 1993 was damn good but once he brought in Hogan, everything went down the drain. I mean seriously, how many times does Flair have to job to Hogan who sucks? And what about Vader? No way in hell is Hogan going to beat him but what happens? Vader looks like a mid-carder and eventually is let go.

I personally think that if Bischoff never ever signed Hogan, WCW would still exist toda because the problems that they had wouldnt exist. Bischoff signed Hall and Nash but it was because of Hogan and the NWO idea. Subtract Hogan and while Bischoff may still have signed Hall and Nash, I can guarantee that the control they had and guaranteed contracts wouldnt have happened.

Just like Waltman said when he returned to RAW after WM XIV, Bischoff was so far up Hogan's *** that he couldnt even see daylight. The sad part is thats actually true. Hogan held down all the actual talent and Bischoff let him which is why they are the main two responsible for the death of WCW. Granted, others played a role but it al started with Hogan and Bischoff and if you subtract both of them or at least Hogan, things might have turned out differently.

You definitely have to wonder what would have happened with WCW if Bischoff never signed Hogan back in 1994.

[GnarlyKing]

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You definitely have to wonder what would have happened with WCW if Bischoff never signed Hogan back in 1994.

That's an interesting one, but I still don't think it would've survived. First, I don't think Nitro ever gets on the air without Hogan. Then, according to Bischoff, the company had never made a profit before then since the day Turner bought it, so it would've certainly been unloaded in the AOL merger. I also don't believe that they would've ever seriously challenged WWF/E in popularity outside the southeast without Hogan.

Under the best case scenario for WCW, the company goes along as it had before, gets bought by someone other than Vince in 2001, and is roughly equal to what TNA is today(with TNA never being formed in this scenario), possibly with a better product but not much more popular.

[FuzzySlippers]

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That's an interesting one, but I still don't think it would've survived. First, I don't think Nitro ever gets on the air without Hogan. Then, according to Bischoff, the company had never made a profit before then since the day Turner bought it, so it would've certainly been unloaded in the AOL merger. I also don't believe that they would've ever seriously challenged WWF/E in popularity outside the southeast without Hogan.

Under the best case scenario for WCW, the company goes along as it had before, gets bought by someone other than Vince in 2001, and is roughly equal to what TNA is today(with TNA never being formed in this scenario), possibly with a better product but not much more popular.

I'm stunned it lasted has long has it did after the whole AOL/Time Warner merger. They made it clear from day one that wrestling didn't fit what they wanted to do. So to me it was gonna die regardless. I just wish somebody else would have bought it.

[GnarlyKing]

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I just wish somebody else would have bought it.

That one is on the Turner network execs. Bischoff had a deal in place to buy the company until he was told that the programs were being pulled off the air regardless.