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[UFCMPunk]

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Rock doesn't want to get involved. Not sure how believable that is. The entire story was based on that. Don't do it then.

They should have shut down all ideas of Rock being involved from the beginning. Cody and everyone's keeps asking about Rock but Cena accuses them of thinking he can't beat Cody on his own and told Rock to not worry, something! That's on Triple H for knowing this and not planning better creatively.

[dubcity]

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Rock appeared on McAfee's show today and it was pretty telling in how things went down and why he didn't appear. He said he wanted the focus on Cena and not him, and says he would have approached the finish of the match differently, I take it he didn't like the Travis Scott interference either.

He also said he got a call to do Chamber after ticket sales were slow. It was Triple H's idea to turn Cena heel and Cena was all for it.

This is why opening everything up too much is a problem. Openly criticising things does not help anyone/anything.

[J_Posse]

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This is why opening everything up too much is a problem. Openly criticising things does not help anyone/anything.

He's trying to dodge any flack for the 'poor reception' online of WrestleMania.

I totally agree and think he should say nothing.

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[TheMatrix31]

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This is why opening everything up too much is a problem. Openly criticising things does not help anyone/anything.

Quite frankly I'm really sick of the curtain being pulled back SO much.

Like, it needs to be tone down 70 percent.

We all know wrestling is scripted and the people are playing characters. But we don't need full detachment by knowing every little thing and every little insight and having every little window.

It doesn't help the business at all. Wrestling is about mystique.

[Majingir]

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This. Ticket sales weren't slow for no reason, it was ticket prices. Even Mania tickets were stupid ridiculous and they dropped pretty good. They easily would have sold more tickets to both shows if prices were more reasonable. I'm going to be curious how the Summerslam ticket sales go next month, same with Money In The Bank and Survivor Series in San Deigo.


At some point they need to realize they are pricing out the true fans and considering bringing in The Rock is the answer(funny after watching the Mania 9 documentary and Hogan came back only because ticket sales were slow), then they will keep ignoring the real problem.

And fans are getting smarter too.

Most who buy will just jump at the chance to get tickets asap to get the seats they want/guarantee they're going to the show (and scalpers buying hoping the demand goes up).

But then there's the other group who'll wait until not too long before to see if prices drop and then will just buy whatever's available.

I did that for Smackdown. If I bought during the presale I'd be spending closer to $150-$200 for it. I bought it day of from stubhub and paid under $100.

Sure I'd prefer sitting in specific sections, but if the option is:
My preferred section at $200 during presale

Similar sections the week or two before the show for $150

Different sections the day of the show for $100

I'd go for one of the other 2 options, most likely the latter one. Only negative about my seats was that it was behind the WM sign, but it did at least mean everyone in the ring was pointing at my section.

Last year I went to MITB for I believe $250 right behind the hard cam. Those would cost $400 normally but I got them hours before the show.

[voodoo_magic]

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At least when Paul Heyman stabs his best friend in the back and betrays his tribal chief he shows up and continues the story, unlike The Rock.

Not even asking Rock to train for a match.
During the build for WM we could have had a quick shot of him and Cena meeting at the TKO headquarters. Cena could have alluded in a promo how Rock was taking care of him after wrestling, because Rock cares about him, unlike the fans.
Cena arrives at WM in a vehicle that Rock "bought" him
Rock sends out "his personally appointed ref, Travis Scott" when the other ref gets knocked down. And then basically the end is the same.

[UFCMPunk]

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The fact Rock admitted that Ari Emanuel basically admitted that Triple H's creative isn't good and isn't must-see is very interesting. The fact Ari thought competing inside a structure as the Elimination Chamber for a shot at THE top guy, THE top Champion in Cody Rhodes wasn't must-see without The Rock... is telling. Cody vs Cena writes itself without The Rock. Hell even Cena winning by turning heel would have been amazing. While Triple H does deserve criticism for how he has booked things since taking over, it really feels there's an internal power struggle where in some cases Triple H may have his hands tied in situations like this.

You have to wonder what really is happening behind the scenes, Triple H turned down Cody's heel turn and offered Cena as a Plan B(pun intended) and we got what we got. Last year, it felt Triple H won and got Cody to finish the story and the magic that was WrestleMania 40. This year, Triple H won again by turning down the Cody heel turn and it seemed once Rock realized he wasn't going to get his way again, he just dropped out all together.

[TheMatrix31]

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I think the most likely explanation is that they just abandoned the story and thought the Cena vs Fans thing was a better idea.

Nothing else makes sense.

[ggsimmonds]

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Rock appeared on McAfee's show today and it was pretty telling in how things went down and why he didn't appear. He said he wanted the focus on Cena and not him, and says he would have approached the finish of the match differently, I take it he didn't like the Travis Scott interference either.

He also said he got a call to do Chamber after ticket sales were slow. It was Triple H's idea to turn Cena heel and Cena was all for it.

Some guy who is fairly popular went on a rant about this and the Rock replied to him.

And this is where things seem a little cloudy to me. My interpretation of the reply is that his appearance on Pat's show was kayfabe/a work.

But the IWC is in an uproar over the reply and is interpreting it as the Rock saying "bro wrestling is fake stop taking it so serious"

Rock's reply: (emphasis mine)
"Hi Dave, the business is a complete work. Always has been, always will be. Every aspect of it. Every match. Every interview.
Please join me, Cody, Cena, Brian and the rest of us for our creative discussions so you can expand your perspective. Until then, stop ranting, it’s not healthy my friend. Enjoy the show."

[TheMatrix31]

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Problem with Rock's response to that is that we *are* trying to enjoy the show. The whole thing is people like us being disappointed/angry/etc with how the feud unfolded. You know, within the show.

He can hide behind "it's all a work" all he wants. That's a cheesy, trite, annoying thing to say. Clearly they don't work the way they used to, either. For God's sake the curtain is pulled back on ****ing everything all the time and lines are blurred all the time.

If anything they don't work ENOUGH.

[ggsimmonds]

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Problem with Rock's response to that is that we *are* trying to enjoy the show. The whole thing is people like us being disappointed/angry/etc with how the feud unfolded. You know, within the show.

He can hide behind "it's all a work" all he wants. That's a cheesy, trite, annoying thing to say. Clearly they don't work the way they used to, either. For God's sake the curtain is pulled back on ****ing everything all the time and lines are blurred all the time.

If anything they don't work ENOUGH.

But he wasn't talking to you. He was specifically replying to a podcast host who went on a crazy rant about his character. And not character as in gimmick but his real life character and integrity.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough -- The Rock's comments on Pat's show were not a peek behind the curtain and Rock giving you a backstage story on some internal power struggle brewing. His comments were part of the show and the internal power struggle is an angle they are planting the seeds on.

"The whole thing is people like us being disappointed/angry/etc with how the feud unfolded."

No its not about that. This is something separate and distinct from the match itself.

[SmashMan]

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And this is where things seem a little cloudy to me. My interpretation of the reply is that his appearance on Pat's show was kayfabe/a work.

I think that's a correct interpretation of his reply, but his reply isn't being honest. We've all seen Rock do a million interviews in and out of the ring, and like anyone else who speaks in public that much we can tell when they're just speaking normally, when they're in PR mode, when they're in character, etc. and I think it's pretty clear he was just speaking normally on McAfee's show.

He wasn't criticizing Triple H's booking, he wasn't setting up some power struggle story, he wasn't trying to expose the business any more than it already is. It was just two guys having a conversation.

One thing's for sure though - he really seems to love the idea of the Cody's soul story because he went back to it a few times. I don't get it but it is what it is.

[Majingir]

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Rollins already embracing being a heel. Going full Chicago Bears mode during the NFL Draft in Green Bay as he announces the Bears pick! Cutting a promo on the crowd too!

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1915933569966391471?t=7jerxQ_p4EFegwFbJP3jNQ&s=19

[Majingir]

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Cathy Kelly appears to be looking to switch over to a more on screen role. She's been training in the PC and might be moved to being a manager.

Would be interesting to see her go from interviewer to announcer, but she probably sees the writing on the wall too. As an interviewer you're limited on what you can do, and in the eyes of higher up's, they'll just see your salary and be like "we can have anyone hold the mic and get paid less" which is what happened with McKenzie in NXT.

Wonder who she wants to manage, or who HHH would put her to manage?

Rhea would be the obvious answer, not that she needs a manager though.

[Majingir]

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RFK stadium getting rebuilt, WM47 in Washington?