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  • DJ
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    • Apr 2003
    • 17756

    #2896
    Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by SPTO
    It was all about Hall and Nash leaving for WCW and the creation and initial success of the NWO. The next episode is going to focus on WWE morphing into the Attitude Era.

    Pretty good episode by and large, I don't know how common knowledge it is, but I was intrigued by who the original "3rd Man" was going to be.
    Yeah, it's a good thing the original 3rd man turned the idea down, because without Hogan, I don't think the nWo would have been as successful.
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    • reyes the roof
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      • Mar 2009
      • 11526

      #2897
      Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by SPTO
      It was all about Hall and Nash leaving for WCW and the creation and initial success of the NWO. The next episode is going to focus on WWE morphing into the Attitude Era.

      Pretty good episode by and large, I don't know how common knowledge it is, but I was intrigued by who the original "3rd Man" was going to be.
      I hope they show the development of Austin and don't just jump in in the middle of his feud with Bret Hart. It seems like whenever they are talking about Austin's rise to fame they only cover the gun angle, the king of the ring speech, and his Wrestlemania 13 match

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      • reyes the roof
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        • Mar 2009
        • 11526

        #2898
        Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by DJ
        Yeah, it's a good thing the original 3rd man turned the idea down, because without Hogan, I don't think the nWo would have been as successful.
        The 3rd man was supposed to be Sting and I think they would have been ok with him in place of Hogan. The problem would be, what would they have replaced the Sting in the rafters angle with? The primary reason I was tuning in was to see what was going on with Sting.

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        • SPTO
          binging
          • Feb 2003
          • 68046

          #2899
          Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by reyes the roof
          The 3rd man was supposed to be Sting and I think they would have been ok with him in place of Hogan. The problem would be, what would they have replaced the Sting in the rafters angle with? The primary reason I was tuning in was to see what was going on with Sting.
          Since you said who it was i'll offer some speculative thoughts on it. I think the NWO angle would've worked at least in the short term. The hatred between WCW and the Outsiders was perceived as totally legit and Sting was one of, if not the biggest defender of WCW at the time. You have him turn and say it was all a clever deception and how deep inside he has no loyalty to WCW would've been shocking to say the least. I don't think Sting's promo skills would've been strong enough though to be that bad ***, over the edge and larger than life personality that Hogan brought to it.

          Nonetheless I could see in the immediate future at least, Flair recreating the Horsemen in order to save WCW. The NWO would be a powerful force but I think in a Sting led incarnation they wouldn't have been AS unstoppable as they were under Hogan. It'd be quite a different faction IMO, probably a little more serious in tone and more outright villainous rather than turning into cool anti-heroes. The angle would've probably had a far easier termination as well.
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          • King_B_Mack
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            • Jan 2009
            • 24450

            #2900
            Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

            I wonder why they didn't go into the Bret Hart angle of the nWo origin? I can't remember what I was watching, but originally Bret Hart was going to be the third guy, but at the last second he resigned with Vince for another year and then Bischoff went through the other ideas for that third guy with the Sting plan that eventually became Hogan.

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            • IndianBird
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              • Nov 2004
              • 2909

              #2901
              Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by King_B_Mack
              I wonder why they didn't go into the Bret Hart angle of the nWo origin? I can't remember what I was watching, but originally Bret Hart was going to be the third guy, but at the last second he resigned with Vince for another year and then Bischoff went through the other ideas for that third guy with the Sting plan that eventually became Hogan.

              I'm not sure I've ever heard Bret is the third guy story before.
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              • SPTO
                binging
                • Feb 2003
                • 68046

                #2902
                Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by IndianBird
                I'm not sure I've ever heard Bret is the third guy story before.
                IIRC I think WCW made overtures to Bret a couple years before he left WWF for good. Bischoff had made a sweetheart deal and Bret went to Vince and got a short term deal. I'm not sure if my memory is playing tricks but I think Bret mentioned this in the wrestling with shadows documentary.
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                • DJ
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 17756

                  #2903
                  Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                  I wonder why they didn't go into the Bret Hart angle of the nWo origin? I can't remember what I was watching, but originally Bret Hart was going to be the third guy, but at the last second he resigned with Vince for another year and then Bischoff went through the other ideas for that third guy with the Sting plan that eventually became Hogan.
                  I've never heard that. I knew that Bret was in talks with WCW in 1996, but have never heard about him being a part of the nWo.
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                  • King_B_Mack
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                    • Jan 2009
                    • 24450

                    #2904
                    Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by DJ
                    I've never heard that. I knew that Bret was in talks with WCW in 1996, but have never heard about him being a part of the nWo.
                    Yeah, I think Hall is the one that revealed it not too long ago. He and Nash called Bret and were telling him how great WCW had been and how different it was from the WWF at the time. Bischoff of course was cool with that and was offering Bret a sweet deal to come to WCW and he'd be the third guy in the group. Bret of course was loyal to Vince and signed on with the short term deal to stay instead.

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                    • TheShizNo1
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                      • Mar 2007
                      • 26341

                      #2905
                      Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                      Nice what if question

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                      • IndianBird
                        MVP
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 2909

                        #2906
                        Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                        Yeah, I think Hall is the one that revealed it not too long ago. He and Nash called Bret and were telling him how great WCW had been and how different it was from the WWF at the time. Bischoff of course was cool with that and was offering Bret a sweet deal to come to WCW and he'd be the third guy in the group. Bret of course was loyal to Vince and signed on with the short term deal to stay instead.

                        96 is when Bret signed the 20 year deal with Vince.

                        What short term deal was there?
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                        • King_B_Mack
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                          • Jan 2009
                          • 24450

                          #2907
                          Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by IndianBird
                          96 is when Bret signed the 20 year deal with Vince.

                          What short term deal was there?

                          Yeah, you're right, it wasn't short term. Vince couldn't pay him the money though. I actually forgot the length on that deal lol


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                          • reyes the roof
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 11526

                            #2908
                            Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by SPTO
                            Since you said who it was i'll offer some speculative thoughts on it. I think the NWO angle would've worked at least in the short term. The hatred between WCW and the Outsiders was perceived as totally legit and Sting was one of, if not the biggest defender of WCW at the time. You have him turn and say it was all a clever deception and how deep inside he has no loyalty to WCW would've been shocking to say the least. I don't think Sting's promo skills would've been strong enough though to be that bad ***, over the edge and larger than life personality that Hogan brought to it.

                            Nonetheless I could see in the immediate future at least, Flair recreating the Horsemen in order to save WCW. The NWO would be a powerful force but I think in a Sting led incarnation they wouldn't have been AS unstoppable as they were under Hogan. It'd be quite a different faction IMO, probably a little more serious in tone and more outright villainous rather than turning into cool anti-heroes. The angle would've probably had a far easier termination as well.
                            I think with Sting they still would have been the cool anti-heroes, maybe even more so than with Hogan. They tried to turn Sting heel by having him attack Hogan a few years later when he went back to the red and yellow and the crowd cheered Sting for attacking him. To make a long story short, I think Sting could have filled in Hogan's role and done great, maybe not as good of a job as Hogan, but I don't think anyone could have filled the role Sting played on the WCW side. We probably would have had Hogan beating the entire nWo single handedly 2 months later and ending everything there. Sting and Hogan has one of the best build ups I've ever seen for their Starrcade 97 match, too bad WCW went nowhere with it.

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                            • nate1986
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                              • Sep 2012
                              • 1185

                              #2909
                              Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                              New episode of MNW is coming on next, the way they are burning through the history I'm curious how it's 20 episodes

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                              • King_B_Mack
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                                • Jan 2009
                                • 24450

                                #2910
                                Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by reyes the roof
                                I think with Sting they still would have been the cool anti-heroes, maybe even more so than with Hogan. They tried to turn Sting heel by having him attack Hogan a few years later when he went back to the red and yellow and the crowd cheered Sting for attacking him. To make a long story short, I think Sting could have filled in Hogan's role and done great, maybe not as good of a job as Hogan, but I don't think anyone could have filled the role Sting played on the WCW side. We probably would have had Hogan beating the entire nWo single handedly 2 months later and ending everything there. Sting and Hogan has one of the best build ups I've ever seen for their Starrcade 97 match, too bad WCW went nowhere with it.

                                I saw someone saying this on another website in a 'what if' scenario and I agree. With his creative control Hogan would have destroyed the nWo before it could take off good. I couldn't see him allowing himself to take the *** whippings that the WCW guys were taking to put the group over. As one of the commenters at this other place were saying. Hogan would have single handedly buried them.


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