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  • cquigley
    MVP
    • Sep 2009
    • 1803

    #436
    Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

    Originally posted by areobee401
    I can't remember the last time I saw a belt on TV and thought about its lineage or prestige. Who's currently holding the title is all I care about.
    This is what I think everytime this conversation happens here

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    • King_B_Mack
      All Star
      • Jan 2009
      • 24450

      #437
      Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

      Originally posted by PeoplesChampGB
      Look up the lineage of the RAW title. You will find that it has the NWA lineage->WCW lineage. Russo/David Arquette is on that lineage.
      Nah, I think you should go look it up. It's right there on the WWE website. Triple H is the first World Heavyweight champion man. WCW's lineage is with the WCW title, not Raw's world title.

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      • PeoplesChampGB
        All Star
        • May 2012
        • 6005

        #438
        Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

        Originally posted by King_B_Mack
        Nah, I think you should go look it up. It's right there on the WWE website. Triple H is the first World Heavyweight champion man. WCW's lineage is with the WCW title, not Raw's world title.
        The World Heavyweight Championship that has recently been carried by such greats as Batista and Triple H got its start in WWE back in 2002. But its prestigious lineage can actually be traced back all the way to George Hackenschmidt and 1904. For years, it was known as the NWA Championship; then when WCW pulled out of the NWA in the early 1990s, Ric Flair was recognized as the first-ever WCW Champion. Since that time, top names such as Hulk Hogan, Ron Simmons and Bret Hart carried the championship prior to WCW's demise.

        http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehis...cwchampionship

        There ya go.
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        • ProfessaPackMan
          Bamma
          • Mar 2008
          • 63852

          #439
          Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

          Originally posted by Mercury112491
          No ones saying you have to agree with everything. No one ever says that. Yet this is the exact response that gets trotted out after people get called out for being hypocritical and overly picky.


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          And I get all of that.

          But to say that "they can't win" isn't true because for the last month or so, EVERYBODY here has been on the same page about the direction they've been going in and being nothing but positive and optimistic, like how you and Indian guy are.

          But because everyone is not on the same page regarding last night and that there's mixed reactions about it, "they can't win"? I can't agree with that and think that's a bit hypocritical right there.
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          • ProfessaPackMan
            Bamma
            • Mar 2008
            • 63852

            #440
            Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

            Originally posted by areobee401
            I can't remember the last time I saw a belt on TV and thought about its lineage or prestige. Who's currently holding the title is all I care about.
            Intercontinental Title used to generate big discussion here especially after they brought old, white one back.

            Prestige was one of the first words that people brought up when talking about it.
            #RespectTheCulture

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            • PeoplesChampGB
              All Star
              • May 2012
              • 6005

              #441
              Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

              Nobody had a complaint about the womens title looking like the WWE title, so why is there a big fuss over the Universal title looking like the WWE title? That's what I don't get.
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              • King_B_Mack
                All Star
                • Jan 2009
                • 24450

                #442
                Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

                Originally posted by PeoplesChampGB
                The World Heavyweight Championship that has recently been carried by such greats as Batista and Triple H got its start in WWE back in 2002. But its prestigious lineage can actually be traced back all the way to George Hackenschmidt and 1904. For years, it was known as the NWA Championship; then when WCW pulled out of the NWA in the early 1990s, Ric Flair was recognized as the first-ever WCW Champion. Since that time, top names such as Hulk Hogan, Ron Simmons and Bret Hart carried the championship prior to WCW's demise.

                http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehis...cwchampionship

                There ya go.

                Interesting. So they're combining the histories or??? Cause that passage is from the WCW championship section. The World Heavyweight title has a completely different passage and a completely different title history.

                The World Heavyweight Championship was brought to Raw by former General Manager Eric Bischoff after WWE Champion Brock Lesnar became exclusive to SmackDown.

                Bischoff awarded the championship to Triple H, but The Game had to defend it against his best friend, Ric Flair. Triple H was successful and has held the championship on five different occasions. Other holders of this prestigious championship include Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker and Rey Mysterio.

                http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehis...rldheavyweight

                Why would you not keep the title histories together if it's the same lineage like they did for the United States title and Cruiserweight?

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                • cima
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Sep 2004
                  • 13478

                  #443
                  Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

                  Originally posted by PeoplesChampGB
                  Nobody had a complaint about the womens title looking like the WWE title, so why is there a big fuss over the Universal title looking like the WWE title? That's what I don't get.
                  I think it's the amount of red that a lot of people don't like.

                  These are next! Not real, just mockups.

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                  • PeoplesChampGB
                    All Star
                    • May 2012
                    • 6005

                    #444
                    Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

                    Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                    Interesting. So they're combining the histories or??? Cause that passage is from the WCW championship section. The World Heavyweight title has a completely different passage and a completely different title history.

                    The World Heavyweight Championship was brought to Raw by former General Manager Eric Bischoff after WWE Champion Brock Lesnar became exclusive to SmackDown.

                    Bischoff awarded the championship to Triple H, but The Game had to defend it against his best friend, Ric Flair. Triple H was successful and has held the championship on five different occasions. Other holders of this prestigious championship include Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker and Rey Mysterio.

                    http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehis...rldheavyweight

                    Why would you not keep the title histories together if it's the same lineage like they did for the United States title and Cruiserweight?
                    They have same lineage, just different name.
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                    • SPTO
                      binging
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 68046

                      #445
                      Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

                      Originally posted by PeoplesChampGB
                      Nobody had a complaint about the womens title looking like the WWE title, so why is there a big fuss over the Universal title looking like the WWE title? That's what I don't get.
                      I think the issue is that people are now realizing that WWE has really fallen into the trap of branding to the point that EVERYTHING looks the same. It doesn't take much to make a few different touches.
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                      • Smooth Pancakes
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 1641

                        #446
                        Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

                        Originally posted by cima
                        They really ****ed themselves with Styles/Cena being arguably a 4.5-5 star classic IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SHOW. Ziggler/Ambrose sucked but the crowd couldn't even get going for Balor/Rollins. Rollins even tweeted this morning that he was disappointed with the crowd.
                        He tweeted he was disappointed in the crowd because they **** on the Universal title when it was unveiled and throughout the match, not that they were lackluster or couldn't get up and going for the match.

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                        • PeoplesChampGB
                          All Star
                          • May 2012
                          • 6005

                          #447
                          Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

                          Originally posted by cima
                          I think it's the amount of red that a lot of people don't like.
                          I dig the red. I dont know why. I think it looks bad###. I hope Smackdown gets a blue. Though I was always a fan of colored straps like Warriors and HBKs back in the day.
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                          • BunnyHardaway
                            Banned
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 15195

                            #448
                            Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

                            Originally posted by PeoplesChampGB
                            Nobody had a complaint about the womens title looking like the WWE title, so why is there a big fuss over the Universal title looking like the WWE title? That's what I don't get.
                            The similarity to the WWE belt helped reaffirm the notion that the women were now being seen as equal to the guys.

                            This is just...bad.

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                            • SPTO
                              binging
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 68046

                              #449
                              Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

                              Originally posted by Smooth Pancakes
                              He tweeted he was disappointed in the crowd because they **** on the Universal title when it was unveiled and throughout the match, not that they were lackluster or couldn't get up and going for the match.

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                              I'm sure he didn't like the crowd's reaction during the match either. WWE has to understand that while it looks great on paper, having people sit for 6 hrs for an event is going to cause burnout like we saw pretty much from the Ambrose match onwards.
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                              • King_B_Mack
                                All Star
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 24450

                                #450
                                Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

                                Originally posted by PeoplesChampGB
                                They have same lineage, just different name.
                                It's not a different name though. It's literally the same thing as the others. The US title is formely the WCW United States Championship, now the WWE United States Championship. The WCW Cruiserweight Championship is the WWE Cruiserweight Championship. The WCW World Heavyweight Championship became the World Heavyweight Championship. I'm thinking whoever wrote the article listed as the same because of it's appearance but they clearly have it separated for a reason.

                                Anyway, people did complain about the Women's title. Just more people have a problem with this one than they did that one.

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