AEW Dynamite/Collision Thread

[Majingir]

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The final segment was great. You knew Mox wouldn't stay in Inner Circle, but also were surprised he "joined".

That was a funny ending. Simply just being like "I was just joking" lol.

[bry422]

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Wrestling fan who left in the mid 2000's or more precisely when WWE splintered into two separate shows.

I decided that with the launch of AEW, it would be a good time to jump back in. Well, after watching every episode of Dynamite to date, I'm not impressed. It's been fine, and I'm still recording it each week on the DVR, but the show needs a lot of work. I do understand that it's only 5 months old, and I'm trying to be patient.

Some things I'd like to see, or not see, going forward:

1. Need for a US/Intercontinental belt in the worst way. If you're not in the mix for the World title, then you're just one of many in a large pile that are fighting for no reason.

2. The matches seem to be extremely choreographed. Maybe the WWE is this way now, too, I don't know. There are a tremendous number of high spots and very little "grit and grind", if that makes any sense. I want more "grit and grind".

3. Many of the wrestlers have the same style. Again, way too may high spots. I feel like I'm watching an acrobatics show rather than a wrestling show. I don't need everyone to look/wrestle like Stan Hansen, but I'd like one or two cut from that mold.

4. I need to hear more of the wrestlers talk (cut a promo). The roster was 85% new to me back in October, so I want to hear these guys talk/perform. It feels like it's to the point that Cody knows some can't and the "powers that be" are doing what they can to work around it.

That's a good start, I suppose...

[Jukeman]

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Wrestling fan who left in the mid 2000's or more precisely when WWE splintered into two separate shows.

I decided that with the launch of AEW, it would be a good time to jump back in. Well, after watching every episode of Dynamite to date, I'm not impressed. It's been fine, and I'm still recording it each week on the DVR, but the show needs a lot of work. I do understand that it's only 5 months old, and I'm trying to be patient.

Some things I'd like to see, or not see, going forward:

1. Need for a US/Intercontinental belt in the worst way. If you're not in the mix for the World title, then you're just one of many in a large pile that are fighting for no reason.

2. The matches seem to be extremely choreographed. Maybe the WWE is this way now, too, I don't know. There are a tremendous number of high spots and very little "grit and grind", if that makes any sense. I want more "grit and grind".

3. Many of the wrestlers have the same style. Again, way too may high spots. I feel like I'm watching an acrobatics show rather than a wrestling show. I don't need everyone to look/wrestle like Stan Hansen, but I'd like one or two cut from that mold.

4. I need to hear more of the wrestlers talk (cut a promo). The roster was 85% new to me back in October, so I want to hear these guys talk/perform. It feels like it's to the point that Cody knows some can't and the "powers that be" are doing what they can to work around it.

That's a good start, I suppose...

Ironically, the mid-2000's is where this style took over the independent scene. There is not much "grit n grind" or psychology these days. Notably in America.

[reyes the roof]

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Ironically, the mid-2000's is where this style took over the independent scene. There is not much "grit n grind" or psychology these days. Notably in America.

This probably sounds crazy but I miss 80s style matches that were filled With heels stalling

[dubcity]

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This probably sounds crazy but I miss 80s style matches that were filled With heels stalling

That moment you realize that Cornette is right

[Brother Love]

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This probably sounds crazy but I miss 80s style matches that were filled With heels stalling

Agreed. The spot fest stuff really isn’t impressive aside from the athleticism it displays. It doesn’t make sense to do a move to someone that they essentially have to “let” you do. For example, when you interfere in a match and the guy is on the top rope and you want to hurricanranna him in to the ring. This requires you carefully climbing the ropes from the outside and the other guy basically helping you up the ropes and holding you steady before you jump up to perform the loves. It looks “too fake.”


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[reyes the roof]

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Agreed. The spot fest stuff really isn’t impressive aside from the athleticism it displays. It doesn’t make sense to do a move to someone that they essentially have to “let” you do. For example, when you interfere in a match and the guy is on the top rope and you want to hurricanranna him in to the ring. This requires you carefully climbing the ropes from the outside and the other guy basically helping you up the ropes and holding you steady before you jump up to perform the loves. It looks “too fake.”


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I think the worst looking move is the Spanish fly, close second goes to the superplex/powerbomb spot

[redsox4evur]

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I think the worst looking move is the Spanish fly, close second goes to the superplex/powerbomb spot

The worst move is a Destroyer...the guy who piledrives his head into the mat does the majority of the move.


Also those jump on the ropes 18 different times then do rana, arm drag, etc you see in lucha libre are right up there behind the destroyer.

[dubcity]

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Crowds react loudest to all those moves, for better or worse. That's why every single match has to have multiple dives. Even if they are the ultra soft style WWE ones.

I do agree that "cool moves" being the be-all/end-all when it comes to a match being good is a dumb way of looking at things. You can (and should) do more with less.

I watched the Ospreay match at WK last weekend, and he did a sequence where he flipped out of the ring, then got thrown back in and landed on his feet, then flipped out again, and I knew people would see that and instantly think "this is the best match EVER." In reality it added nothing of substance to the actual match.

[DJ]

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Wrestling fan who left in the mid 2000's or more precisely when WWE splintered into two separate shows.

I decided that with the launch of AEW, it would be a good time to jump back in. Well, after watching every episode of Dynamite to date, I'm not impressed. It's been fine, and I'm still recording it each week on the DVR, but the show needs a lot of work. I do understand that it's only 5 months old, and I'm trying to be patient.

Some things I'd like to see, or not see, going forward:

1. Need for a US/Intercontinental belt in the worst way. If you're not in the mix for the World title, then you're just one of many in a large pile that are fighting for no reason.

2. The matches seem to be extremely choreographed. Maybe the WWE is this way now, too, I don't know. There are a tremendous number of high spots and very little "grit and grind", if that makes any sense. I want more "grit and grind".

3. Many of the wrestlers have the same style. Again, way too may high spots. I feel like I'm watching an acrobatics show rather than a wrestling show. I don't need everyone to look/wrestle like Stan Hansen, but I'd like one or two cut from that mold.

4. I need to hear more of the wrestlers talk (cut a promo). The roster was 85% new to me back in October, so I want to hear these guys talk/perform. It feels like it's to the point that Cody knows some can't and the "powers that be" are doing what they can to work around it.

That's a good start, I suppose...

Great points, and things AEW should listen to.

Overall, I've been underwhelmed with AEW Dynamite. For as much as AEW billed itself as an alternative to WWE, I don't see many major differences between the companies.

The win-loss records playing into title matches needs to be reconsidered. I'm not against it entirely and do think match results should matter, but when there's so few shows, it's hard to really invest in that concept. It'd be different if AEW were touring and house show results were factored in.

[UFCMPunk]

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I think the worst looking move is the Spanish fly, close second goes to the superplex/powerbomb spot

It's why I have always hated the Pump Up Powerbomb KO does, the guy who is taking the move does all the work. KO just Irish whips them into the ropes and the dude just jumps for no reason other than I'm supposed to take the move. Like it's the easiest move to counter, KO throws opponent into the rope and the opponent can just grab on to the ropes and stop, they can just slide out of the ring, etc.

I'd have to agree right now that AEW's biggest problem is the moves are way too choreographed. They are relying on that rather than storytelling and storytelling is their second biggest problem. It's hard to invest into the storyline or the characters when you have no reason to. Outside of Cody, Moxley, Jericho, all the former WWE guys or anyone in The Elite, or on BTE, nobody else has a storyline and are thrown into random matches without a reason why the match is happening.

[bry422]

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It's why I have always hated the Pump Up Powerbomb KO does, the guy who is taking the move does all the work. KO just Irish whips them into the ropes and the dude just jumps for no reason other than I'm supposed to take the move. Like it's the easiest move to counter, KO throws opponent into the rope and the opponent can just grab on to the ropes and stop, they can just slide out of the ring, etc.

I'd have to agree right now that AEW's biggest problem is the moves are way too choreographed. They are relying on that rather than storytelling and storytelling is their second biggest problem. It's hard to invest into the storyline or the characters when you have no reason to. Outside of Cody, Moxley, Jericho, all the former WWE guys or anyone in The Elite, or on BTE, nobody else has a storyline and are thrown into random matches without a reason why the match is happening.

If had listed a #5 on my list, that would have been it... throwing guys into matches for no apparent reason. Is Cody going to start defining any feuds outside the main Inner Circle/Elite stuff?!

One more! #6 - This is naive of me, I know, but I like it when World title opportunities are earned, or at least, feel earned. A few moths ago, Jericho defended the World Title against English skateboard guy (the 1/2 face painted guy with skateboard... which points to an already mentioned issue... no storylines/no promo for this guy so I can't even remember his name.) First, I'm thinking who is this guy? Second, he's getting a WORLD title shot?! Just like that? Why? Did I miss something?!

[reyes the roof]

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It's why I have always hated the Pump Up Powerbomb KO does, the guy who is taking the move does all the work. KO just Irish whips them into the ropes and the dude just jumps for no reason other than I'm supposed to take the move. Like it's the easiest move to counter, KO throws opponent into the rope and the opponent can just grab on to the ropes and stop, they can just slide out of the ring, etc.

I’ll never forget a few years ago I went to Raw and he hit the pop up power bomb on Mark Henry. Didn’t exactly look believable and not choreographed

[Majingir]

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Its wrestling. Not supposed to think everything is believable.

"Why does anyone drink a beer with Stone Cold? They know they're 99% likely getting stunned."

"Undertaker got buried alive but he's back now."

Move setups aren't always realistic. You think you can actually pick up someone in the air by their neck? Not like they don't jump then either...Or the 619 setup where guys get tripped and stumble onto the middle rope with both arms over the rope. Or the RKO which is basically just the guy dramaticlly falling down face first.

[Brother Love]

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Its wrestling. Not supposed to think everything is believable.

"Why does anyone drink a beer with Stone Cold? They know they're 99% likely getting stunned."

"Undertaker got buried alive but he's back now."

Move setups aren't always realistic. You think you can actually pick up someone in the air by their neck? Not like they don't jump then either...Or the 619 setup where guys get tripped and stumble onto the middle rope with both arms over the rope. Or the RKO which is basically just the guy dramaticlly falling down face first.

Yeah, I don’t consider any of that the same thing.


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