Mike Leach fired

[grunt]

Re: Mike Leach fired

For the last time, there was no shed! Watch the Youtube video that's been posted a few times in this thread.

He placed a player in an environment that was meant to be uncomfortable according to the affidavits. He should just the send the student home and if he was so lazy remove him from the team.

[mKoz26]

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He placed a player in an environment that was meant to be uncomfortable according to the affidavits. He should just the send the student home and if he was so lazy remove him from the team.

I wouldn't believe the affidavits. The trainers making those statements were probably just trying to keep their jobs.

[Jackdog]

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If the student was light sensitive he shouldn't have reported to practice. He was recovering from a brain injury. I missed a week of school in bed recovering from my concussion. He sound like a coach that went overboard in trying to make a point.

Wouldn't that fall on the team doctor? The coach didn't clear him to come to practice. If he had symptoms why did the team doctor clear him?

[kehlis]

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Again their is only 2 statements that are in evidence(affidavits) no one else has a sworn affidavit besides the trainer and the dr. . Mike Leach statement isn't evidence at all at this point its hearsay and all other statements that are made without an affidavit i.e. sworn statement is hearsay. So yes I'm delusional, so when Mike Leach get his statement under oath and all other parties do the same and it stands up under scrutiny then you can make all those outlandish statement about someone you don't know, cause you want to be one of the cool kids.

What am I missing? Since when did OS require affidavits to form an opinion on something? Might as well shut down 90% of the threads here as they are nothing but hearsay.

You can disagree with how others feel but I think you need to get off your high horse a bit with this attitude that no one can have a differing opinion as yours...

[MrJackFlash]

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He placed a player in an environment that was meant to be uncomfortable according to the affidavits. He should just the send the student home and if he was so lazy remove him from the team.

Seriously,if the kid was as lazy as they make him out to be,why was he still on the team? He should have kicked him off the squad.

And am I the only person who is tired of hearing the whole"Craig James used his position"to try and get his kid more playing time arguement? People make it sound like he's the Gov.of Texas with that crap.

[MBFranchise]

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Seriously,if the kid was as lazy as they make him out to be,why was he still on the team? He should have kicked him off the squad.

And am I the only person who is tired of hearing the whole"Craig James used his position"to try and get his kid more playing time arguement? People make it sound like he's the Gov.of Texas with that crap.

Apparently Craig James' crusade for his son's playing time did not work that well anyway.

[Sting]

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Seriously,if the kid was as lazy as they make him out to be,why was he still on the team? He should have kicked him off the squad.

And am I the only person who is tired of hearing the whole"Craig James used his position"to try and get his kid more playing time arguement? People make it sound like he's the Gov.of Texas with that crap.

You've apparently missed the point. Craig did TRY to use his position to jockey for more playing time for Adam and it didn't work. That's why Craig James and Adam James look pathetic here and not Leach.

[MrJackFlash]

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You've apparently missed the point. Craig did TRY to use his position to jockey for more playing time for Adam and it didn't work. That's why Craig James and Adam James look pathetic here and not Leach.

And you know this how? Because Mike Leach says so?

[backbreaker]

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What am I missing? Since when did OS require affidavits to form an opinion on something? Might as well shut down 90% of the threads here as they are nothing but hearsay.

You can disagree with how others feel but I think you need to get off your high horse a bit with this attitude that no one can have a differing opinion as yours...

I'm not on a high horse, I'm just not a mental midget whose falling in line with this mob mentality. I'm not voicing an opinion either based on hearsay. My opinion is formed on 2 statements and those people were willing to make those statements under the penalty of perjury. Until I see Mike Leach and all these other 3rd party people who are "making claims" put themselves under the penalty of perjury then I'll consider and weigh what they have to say. People keep saying the trainer and doctor changed their story and the only frame of reference they sight is what Mike Leach read.

It chaps my hide to hear people call the kid lazy, or his father lobbied for playing time ect.... that is all hearsay. It maybe true but we don't know that as of yet. So if Mike Leach says Craig James lobbied to have his son to get more playing time and Craig James says no I didn't, is their a 3rd party witness to these facts? if so when its time to go to court these people that you guys are quoting will be made available to tell their story.

I personally don't care one way or the other for the out come but I do not like to see ignorance paraded as fact and vilifying this young man based on rumor. You should be cautious with those accusations and you should be better than this.

[Watson]

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And you know this how? Because Mike Leach says so?

no...because it's pretty obvious.

[grunt]

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Wouldn't that fall on the team doctor? The coach didn't clear him to come to practice. If he had symptoms why did the team doctor clear him?

I agree. Does the NCAA have a standard porcedure for head injuries?

[jsquigg]

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I think too many people are taking one side or the other when all sides are somewhat wrong. Just because there are only two sworn statements doesn't mean that there isn't more info out there to be considered. Firstly, the TT administration had a rocky relationship with Leach before the incident. If there had been a better relationship I'm sure things might have gone several different ways, but unlike others I don't want to speculate.
Secondly, it is clear that Adam James was in the dog house and there is at least concern from the Leach side that Craig James was lobbying for playing time and using his influence to try to manipulate decision making. I'm not sure why Leach wouldn't communicate this before the incident took place, because it looks bad to bring this up when you're under scrutiny.
I'd like to mention at this point that anyone outside of Tech football claiming anything about Adam James behavior or his dad's is just speculating. The sources who came out in support of Leach were removed from the specific situation and have Leach to thank for advancing their careers, so you have to take their version of truth with a grain of salt.
As far as the incident itself, as many others have stated, it doesn't matter what the kid did or how he acted. Isolating him from the rest of the team for whatever reason was a dumb move, especially since all Leach had to do was dismiss the kid. I guess I can see why Leach wouldn't apologize given the environment and his sense of pride, but I think he'll land on his feet with a lesson learned.
I don't know Adam James or his dad, but I while assume some of the complaints against them are true, there is no way to determine to what extent and I don't think it's to the extent that Mike Leach is testifying to in the media. If that were the case, why wouldn't he have documented the prior incidents? As much as the Leach defenders want to think he's been mistreated by the evil Tech administration and the cocky, lazy Adam James, Leach doesn't have any legal legs to stand on.
I hope the guy goes on to succeed at another program because he's great for college football, but even if his version of events is 100% true, he still broke the code of conduct and didn't get any substantial evidence to support his character claims. Unless any evidence comes out that isn't known at this point, it's a pretty easy case.

[umd]

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Have you ever had a concussion? Believe me you don't want to be standing in any shed. He shouldn't even reported to practice.

For the last time, there was no shed! Watch the Youtube video that's been posted a few times in this thread.

I played football and have had enough (2 minor/1 major) concussions or as the sometimes overly dramatic would say "brain injuries". All concussions are not created equal. Just because yours appeared to be serious and traumatic doesn't mean every one is the same.

MKoz is 100% right it was not a shed or an electrical closet. It was a football garage and the visiting team's press room.

As for how torturous it must have been, there were trainer/staff statements mixed in this thread that discount James' assertions. They state he was sitting, walking around, sleeping, and eating ice out of the machine.

He was not chained to a wall in a medieval dungeon or handcuffed to a furnace in a musty electrical closet.

Leach should have been smarter how he handled a malcontent like James w/ what trainers diagnosed as a minor concussion.

But the drama queens need to give it up. It's not like the kid was tortured or water boarded.

[MassNole]

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So when Mike Leach wins his lawsuit to be reinstated things will get real interesting at TxT. I still can't believe they fired him over Adam and Craig James.....

[Jackdog]

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Just a reminder fellas. Insults will not be tolerated. If you get so pissed off and want to call someone a name,back off and visit another thread to cool off.

Thanks.