Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[TDenverFan]

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how else do you describe it?

Memphis makes sense geographically. I don't see what's so bad about it?

[simgamer0005]

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Memphis makes sense geographically. I don't see what's so bad about it?

It makes sense geographically proportionally when compared to previous conference re-alignment moves. Like it makes more sense geographically than San Diego State or Boise State. But it's another move. Before this recent re-alignment, teams didn't move around this much. Conferences were what they were and you knew what conference you were in. Just look, this thread has 250+ pages and 2,500+ posts, more than other threads by far. That's how much re-alignment we've seen, how many moves. It's not really bad or good, i don't think i was being overly dramatic. that analogy is an accurate assessment of what has happened to the landscape of college football in recent years.

[Perfect Zero]

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I'll believe it when I see it. UTA has been talking about bringing football back forever. Only way I see them getting football is with a new president. I don't see the current one ever doing it.

Like I said, there are many hurdles. However, I can see the WAC pressuring UT-Arlington into football as a condition to joining the conference. It makes sense, as it would add the North Texas media market into their fold. Although getting on television would be just as tough.

Personally, I could go either way. My first choice for University was North Texas because they had a known program for my major at the time and because they had a Division-I football team. Of course, living costs nixed that idea... On the other hand, I enjoy Mavericks baseball and I wouldn't want to see another athletic department suffer.

[DonkeyJote]

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It makes sense geographically proportionally when compared to previous conference re-alignment moves. Like it makes more sense geographically than San Diego State or Boise State. But it's another move. Before this recent re-alignment, teams didn't move around this much. Conferences were what they were and you knew what conference you were in. Just look, this thread has 250+ pages and 2,500+ posts, more than other threads by far. That's how much re-alignment we've seen, how many moves. It's not really bad or good, i don't think i was being overly dramatic. that analogy is an accurate assessment of what has happened to the landscape of college football in recent years.

I don't understand why teams moving is bad? Because it gets people to talk about college sports more? Who wants that? Because it's arranged all the so-called "little guys" who didn't get a fair chance into a position where they now get just that?

[simgamer0005]

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Conference re-alignment is what has been melodramatic, not fans reacting to it. I doubt any sane minded fan could have possibly envisioned college football would look like this a few years ago. If you were at a party in 2005 and you said that San Diego State is in the Big East, people wouldn't believe you were serious. Back then things made sense and everyone knew that a team on the west coast is not in the Big East.

[superjames1992]

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Conference re-alignment is what has been melodramatic, not fans reacting to it. I doubt any sane minded fan could have possibly envisioned college football would look like this a few years ago. If you were at a party in 2005 and you said that San Diego State is in the Big East, people wouldn't believe you were serious. Back then things made sense and everyone knew that a team on the west coast is not in the Big East.

Yes, Idaho in the Sun Belt in the early 2000s made a ton of sense.

[TheRegan]

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Only thing I can say about Memphis is if FedEx supports it I think it could become similar to what Oregon has become. Obviously FedEx is no Nike but having that money can make a big difference.

I'd love to see what kind of uniforms they would wear.

[simgamer0005]

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I don't understand why teams moving is bad? Because it gets people to talk about college sports more? Who wants that? Because it's arranged all the so-called "little guys" who didn't get a fair chance into a position where they now get just that?

Not saying it's bad, just pointing it out that it's a very dramatic change from what it was. These changes don't guarantee that the little guy will get more of a fair chance. the little guy could mean anybody besides teams in the SEC that have been winning national championships. Look at this amount of re-alignment going into this season, and for the first time ever we had 2 teams in the same conference making the BCS title game. That's going in the opposite direction of where the "little guy" want it to go. How often does a team from the Big East make the BCSCG? Even with all this re-alignment, if LSU and Alabama go 12-0 / 11-1 every year, there's still a pretty good chance that an undefeated Big East team would not make the BCSCG.

[DonkeyJote]

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Conference re-alignment is what has been melodramatic, not fans reacting to it. I doubt any sane minded fan could have possibly envisioned college football would look like this a few years ago. If you were at a party in 2005 and you said that San Diego State is in the Big East, people wouldn't believe you were serious. Back then things made sense and everyone knew that a team on the west coast is not in the Big East.

So if the Big East was called something else? Seriously, get over the nautical directions in the Conference's name. Obviously SDSU is not in the East, but outside your notion that a team is married to the nautical direction in the name, why does it matter at all? It doesn't. I am tired of this argument. The geography doesn't matter. It doesn't matter in the NFL where the Rams are in the West, Colts in the South, and Cowboys in the East. I doesn't matter in baseball where the Rangers and Astros are both in the West, and the Braves played in the West until 1994. It doesn't matter in the NBA, where the Northwest Division has exactly one team in the actual Northwest. In the NHL, when Columbus, Detroit, and Nashville are in the East. Get over it.

[DonkeyJote]

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Not saying it's bad, just pointing it out that it's a very dramatic change from what it was. These changes don't guarantee that the little guy will get more of a fair chance. the little guy could mean anybody besides teams in the SEC that have been winning national championships. Look at this amount of re-alignment going into this season, and for the first time ever we had 2 teams in the same conference making the BCS title game. That's going in the opposite direction of where the "little guy" want it to go. How often does a team from the Big East make the BCSCG? Even with all this re-alignment, if LSU and Alabama go 12-0 / 11-1 every year, there's still a pretty good chance that an undefeated Big East team would not make the BCSCG.

The reason the two SEC teams played for the National Title is because they were the best two teams, not because of realignment. There was only one other team that even had an argument at being in that game. A team from the Big East never goes, because they are almost never any good. You realize the Big East has had exactly 2 teams with 1 loss (and zero undefeated teams) since Miami left the conference. If that conference turned out a top team, they'd be in the hunt, just like West Virginia was before they lost their season finale a few years ago. And undefeated Big East team probably makes it over a 1 loss SEC team, believe it or not. In 2009, when Cincinatti went undefeated in the regular season, they were ranked two spots ahead of a 12-1 Florida in the last regular season BCS rankings.

[simgamer0005]

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So if the Big East was called something else? Seriously, get over the nautical directions in the Conference's name. Obviously SDSU is not in the East, but outside your notion that a team is married to the nautical direction in the name, why does it matter at all? It doesn't. I am tired of this argument. The geography doesn't matter. It doesn't matter in the NFL where the Rams are in the West, Colts in the South, and Cowboys in the East.

The NFL's decisions are based primarily on geography, with a few exceptions. The Cowboys have long time rivalries with the Giants, Redskins and Eagles. The NFL used to have 3 divisions per conference and changed to 4 divisions per conference in the early 2000s. To your point, before then, the Arizona Cardinals were in the NFC East. That didn't make any geographic sense either but it was that way for whatever reason. The difference between pro sports divisions and college football conferences is that the professional league have direct control over its divisions. in college football, the conferences represent themselves and make the decisions about how many teams it has, which schools to add if it chooses to do so. pro sports is totally difference. i agree there are some geographic exceptions to the current NFL divisions, like Dallas in the NFC East, or the Colts in the South. The Rams being in the west makes sense because they used to be the LA Rams, and in the NFL all the divisions have the same number of teams so its fair. In college football, there aren't the same number of teams in every conference, not by a long shot. And before this recent wave of re-alignment, most of the conferences made geographic sense.

I doesn't matter in baseball where the Rangers and Astros are both in the West, and the Braves played in the West until 1994. It doesn't matter in the NBA, where the Northwest Division has exactly one team in the actual Northwest. In the NHL, when Columbus, Detroit, and Nashville are in the East. Get over it.

I agree about Pro sports, it's not perfectly geographical, but it's also a league and divisions don't work like conferences do in college football. For example, in the NFL, they have 6 playoff spots for each conference. If you win your division, you control your own destiny to whether you can win the championship. In college football, winning your conference doesn't guarantee you a chance at having a chance to win the national championship. In my opinion, the NFL has it right and it's fair. Since teams only play 16 games, the playoff system works well.

In MLB, however, since there are 162 games, I think having 4 playoff spots per league is too much. Now I hear they are going to have even more teams make the playoffs. i liked MLB better when they had only 2 divisions per league, and the two division winners directly qualified for the ALCS / NLCS. Even better was before that when there were no divisions, and the team with the best record in the league advanced directly to the world series. The schedule was more even since there was no divisions or inter-league play. Now we have the ALDS and NLDS, and from what I hear this year maybe another round? If you don't know who the best team after 162 games, you're not going to find out through playoffs. Playoffs work in the NFL because there's only 16 games, but in baseball since there are so many games and multiple playoff spots just devalues the regular season.

[simgamer0005]

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The reason the two SEC teams played for the National Title is because they were the best two teams, not because of realignment. There was only one other team that even had an argument at being in that game. A team from the Big East never goes, because they are almost never any good. You realize the Big East has had exactly 2 teams with 1 loss (and zero undefeated teams) since Miami left the conference. If that conference turned out a top team, they'd be in the hunt, just like West Virginia was before they lost their season finale a few years ago...

Or Rutgers in 2006 when they started 9-0 before they lost to Cincinnati. If they would have finished 12-0 they had a chance. But the Big East has also lost some of its best and most long-standing teams. They've lost Miami, West Virginia, Boston College, Va Tech, Syracuse, Pitt. These are teams with rich football history. That was the heart of the Big East. Clearly this is an entirely different conference from what it was. It would make more sense to call it something different than the Big East, because it isn't the Big East anymore.

And undefeated Big East team probably makes it over a 1 loss SEC team, believe it or not. In 2009, when Cincinatti went undefeated in the regular season, they were ranked two spots ahead of a 12-1 Florida in the last regular season BCS rankings.

It's a toss up, like everything in college football, as to whether an undefeated Big East team would make it over a 1 loss SEC team. The point i'm getting at is we don't even know how strong the Big East is anymore, because it consists of an entirely new teams. it's like trying to analyze something you think you know when it's now something completely new and different. it has the name "Big East", they were scrambling for teams (not even schools, just teams) after most all the schools that represented the Big East for decades left so that they can attempt to ensure they make millions of dollars every year with an AQ BCS game.

[LionsFanNJ]

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Memphis will be joining the Big East for the 2013-14 school year

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I like the ide of Memphis in Basketball, and i believe they have history with members of the BE like Cincy and Louisville.

Football? Not so much.

I'm more into basketball than football though so i approve somewhat in that regard.

[Cusefan]

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Memphis doesn't really add anything anymore, without Cal, Memphis is a shadow of its former self. It makes sense for Memphis obviously but it seems the BE is just adding teams for the sake of adding teams.

It does seem the Big East is becoming the Island of misfit schlools.

[DonkeyJote]

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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7554045/conference-usa-board-discuss-possibility-merging-mountain-west-source-says

C-USA and Mountain West are discussing a full merger.