Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[cjonesfan921]

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A big part of it is the same thing we are about to possibly experience in the Pac-12, but even worse. Stanford and UCLA play this week, Stanford wins or Oregon loses, and we play the same game next week. Do that with OSU and Michigan, and their rivalry is devalued. However, if you have them play the last week of the year for a spot in the title game (if they are on the same side), and the rivalry is even better. Most would prefer the latter situation.

They aren't going to change that game from the last week of the season either, so having them on the same side would be the only way to "fix" this.

I didn't think of it that way. In that case, I definitely agree. It would be the only logical solution. I think they got way too excited about the possibilities of them facing off for the Conf Champ, but it would definitely be way more exciting if they had to face off to see who would go.

I'm just way too excited about seeing and playing new teams. Ohio State and Michigan coming to NJ? Sign me up. Those Michigan games will almost be a neutral site, I presume. There is a big Michigan following in this area.

[gopher_guy]

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Because the possibility of them playing two weeks in a row exists (not this year obviously). It's the same reason Alabama and Auburn are in the same division in the SEC. If and when the time comes that UM and OSU are playing two straight weeks, it will cheapen the rivalry. It's ridiculous.

I guess I don't really get it. Because the game is played two weeks in a row, suddenly the rivalry won't mean as much or the players won't take it as seriously?

Seems to me that there is a potential for that second game to be even more intense.

[Buckeyes_Doc]

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I guess I don't really get it. Because the game is played two weeks in a row, suddenly the rivalry won't mean as much or the players won't take it as seriously?

Seems to me that there is a potential for that second game to be even more intense.

I do not want Ohio State to finish any season going 1-1 against Michigan.

[Pmoney327]

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I didn't think of it that way. In that case, I definitely agree. It would be the only logical solution. I think they got way too excited about the possibilities of them facing off for the Conf Champ, but it would definitely be way more exciting if they had to face off to see who would go.

I'm just way too excited about seeing and playing new teams. Ohio State and Michigan coming to NJ? Sign me up. Those Michigan games will almost be a neutral site, I presume. There is a big Michigan following in this area.

I would be adamantly against games at Metlife.

They don't force NW or Indiana to play elsewhere.

[simgamer0005]

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A big part of it is the same thing we are about to possibly experience in the Pac-12, but even worse. Stanford and UCLA play this week, Stanford wins or Oregon loses, and we play the same game next week. Do that with OSU and Michigan, and their rivalry is devalued. However, if you have them play the last week of the year for a spot in the title game (if they are on the same side), and the rivalry is even better. Most would prefer the latter situation.

They aren't going to change that game from the last week of the season either, so having them on the same side would be the only way to "fix" this.

i would go even further, to say that it speaks to the absurdity of divisional structure in conferences. UCLA, at 6-2, has already "clinched" a spot in the MCCG. Stanford and Oregon are both 7-1. For Stanford to "win" the conference, it has to beat UCLA twice! Unlike the Big "10" situation with Michigan and Ohio St, in different divisions, still play the last game of the season, in the Pac-12, Cal and Stanford remained in the same division, only the Big Game, Cal vs Stanford, is no longer the last game of the season like it used to be! it's about as illogical as humanly possible.

[coogrfan]

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I guess I don't really get it. Because the game is played two weeks in a row, suddenly the rivalry won't mean as much or the players won't take it as seriously?

Seems to me that there is a potential for that second game to be even more intense.

I think the objection most people would have is the strong possibility that UM and OSU could meet in the final game of the regular season with nothing on the line (i.e. both schools had already clinched their respective divisions). Having these two schools play what amounts to a scrimmage prior to playing in the CCG would be a huge downer, imo.

[superjames1992]

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http://nolesports.tallahassee.com/article/20121119/FSU03/121119036/Barron-No-one-ACC-wringing-their-hands-over-Maryland-departure?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7Cfrontpage&gcheck=1&nclick_check=1

“The ACC lawyers are absolutely convinced it’s binding,” Barron said. “If Maryland challenges it, I’ll be watching closely to see if that works.”

[gordogg24p]

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All the talk about Louisville getting screwed in all this seems to be following the wrong logic, at least in my eyes.

Maryland ditches the ACC, with the B1G and UA helping them in any legal battles or exit fees they may incur upon exiting. Precedent is set. Louisville comes running back with arms open at the Big 12 again, who tells them that they can come if they pull Florida State (as has been mentioned, the only other school to vote against the exit fee increase) out of the ACC, who will no doubt be displeased that their conference continues to get more unstable.

While all of those exact things may not come to pass, this is the only way Louisville gets a shot at the Big 12. Big 12 will not expand without a brand like Florida State, and I doubt they'd settle on an uneven number. Louisville is waiting outside the door with flowers and chocolates.

[gopher_guy]

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I think the objection most people would have is the strong possibility that UM and OSU could meet in the final game of the regular season with nothing on the line (i.e. both schools had already clinched their respective divisions). Having these two schools play what amounts to a scrimmage prior to playing in the CCG would be a huge downer, imo.

That's a good point, hadn't thought of that.

[Ziza9Noles94]

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http://n:frown:olesports.tallahassee...nclick_check=1

It disappoints me that he calls the ACC a good conference. Baseball, hoops wise, lady volleyball wise, sure. But football continues to be a minor focus for the Tobacco Road crew. We need to get out now.

[fistofrage]

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If Maryalnd weasels out of the ACC agreement and $50 million buyout, the ACC is going to unravel like a $79 suit.

[TDenverFan]

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It disappoints me that he calls the ACC a good conference. Baseball, hoops wise, lady volleyball wise, sure. But football continues to be a minor focus for the Tobacco Road crew. We need to get out now.

Who do FSU fans want the ACC to get?

Obviously ND is the pipe dream for everyone, but there aren't a lot of good football schools up for grabs. UCONN made a BCS Bowl a few years back, it's not like they're awful. The ACC will not pull anyone away from the Big 10/12 (Most Likely), so they have very few options.

There is some rumbling that Penn State may want out of the Big 10, the ACC would jump on them in a heartbeat even if they add nothing BBall wise.

Maybe UC? Temple? The ACC is running out of options

[Juce734]

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The Big Ten isn't footing the bill for Marylands exit of the ACC. Kevin Planck took stock out on his own business to help Maryland. He is a wealthy alum and took it out a week ago. He runs Under Armour I believe and is helping foot the bill. So there is no precedence set for buying out of the ACC by other conferences.

Either way I think Michigan bringing in Rutgers and Maryland is a pointless move. Rutgers has been decent for 3 years now but they aren't on the level of Wisconsin, Ohio State, and Michigan. Maryland can't even put fans in the seats. They look like they draw worse than a MAC school.

If the Big Ten uses this to bringing in Virginia and North Carolina or something then it is worth it to me but if they go out and get two other schools comparable athletically to Maryland and Rutgers then the Big Ten will be left behind in the Super Conferences.

Competitively the SEC will continue to dominate football unfortunately. The Big 12 has a chance to close the gap if they pick up the Miami Hurricanes, and Clemson but no conference will be able to touch the SEC anytime soon.

[Juce734]

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If Maryalnd weasels out of the ACC agreement and $50 million buyout, the ACC is going to unravel like a $79 suit.

It already is. Last year everyone was worried about the Big East but really those two conferences are going to need to merge to stay relevant. The SEC will probably pick up NC State in order to move their TV market north some.

I've heard the Big 12 is going for Miami and Clemson. So if those moves happen UConn (worthless), and Temple (again worthless) won't save the ACC at all. The ACC and Big East will not be one of the top 4 conferences and will always be left out of the BCS Playoff.

Who do FSU fans want the ACC to get?

Obviously ND is the pipe dream for everyone, but there aren't a lot of good football schools up for grabs. UCONN made a BCS Bowl a few years back, it's not like they're awful. The ACC will not pull anyone away from the Big 10/12 (Most Likely), so they have very few options.

There is some rumbling that Penn State may want out of the Big 10, the ACC would jump on them in a heartbeat even if they add nothing BBall wise.

Maybe UC? Temple? The ACC is running out of options

UConn making one BCS game doesn't make them a quality program. Temple isn't anything special either.

The only conferences that will matter are the SEC, Big 12, Pac 12, and Big 10. A couple of years ago it was between the Big 12, ACC, and Big East but the Big 12 has done whatever it could to keep itself as one of the top 4 conferences.

[Ziza9Noles94]

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Who do FSU fans want the ACC to get?

Obviously ND is the pipe dream for everyone, but there aren't a lot of good football schools up for grabs. UCONN made a BCS Bowl a few years back, it's not like they're awful. The ACC will not pull anyone away from the Big 10/12 (Most Likely), so they have very few options.

There is some rumbling that Penn State may want out of the Big 10, the ACC would jump on them in a heartbeat even if they add nothing BBall wise.

Maybe UC? Temple? The ACC is running out of options

Sure UCONN made a BCS bowl and then struggled to fill seats and sell tickets to the game.. Realistically I would prefer Louisville. Solid football for years, great hoops. But most importantly they bring relevance in football.
They are actually an upgrade over Maryland. UCONN Football is not. UCONN being added won't increase the perception of the ACC. It won't create tougher in conference matchups. At this point I could care less who Swofford and Tobacco Road add. I just want out.