Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

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Ready for the invites to be sent to FSU and Clemson.

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Conference expansion is a chess match, not checkers. No the simple fact that Maryland left is not everything, but it will start to trigger the dominoes.

Maryland and Rutgers are important in the fact that they took away major media markets that the ACC could have had. The ACC could have controlled the entire east coast, but they stumbled.

Maryland leaving makes it even easier for FSU to leave, and Clemson to follow. FSU is not happy in the ACC, and is a likely candidate for the B12.

The ACC will then be vulnerable and be poached by other conferences in the race for 16.

The same way the ACC raided the Big East, the ACC is open to being raided now.

What media markets were taken away outright?

Surely not DC, there's enough interest in UVa and Virginia Tech in DC to keep that, and DC is a pro sports town anyway (moreso than that, a Redskins town and bandwagon onto whomever else is good). UVa in particular has one of the more spread out alumni bases in the country, and DC is one of their top ten destinations. And again, the college team that most frequently plays in the pro stadiums in the area is Virginia Tech.

Surely not New York, the only college team New York really cares about is Syracuse (specifically basketball), an incoming ACC member - not Rutgers. The Knicks, Nets, Giants, and Jets wil trump any college team anyway, particularly those schools' football programs. The ACC also has Pittsburgh coming in, which will help to a minor extent in NY/NJ/MD and moreso in Pennsylvania.

The ACC all things considered has positioned itself incredibly well. They will be fine.

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What media markets were taken away outright?

Surely not DC, there's enough interest in UVa and Virginia Tech in DC to keep that, and DC is a pro sports town anyway (moreso than that, a Redskins town and bandwagon onto whomever else is good). UVa in particular has one of the more spread out alumni bases in the country, and DC is one of their top ten destinations. And again, the college team that most frequently plays in the pro stadiums in the area is Virginia Tech.

Surely not New York, the only college team New York really cares about is Syracuse, an incoming ACC member - not Rutgers. The Knicks, Giants, and Jets wil trump any college team anyway. The ACC also has Pittsburgh coming in, which will help to a minor extent in NY/NJ/MD and moreso in Pennsylvania.

The ACC all things considered has positioned itself incredibly well. They will be fine.

No one in the NY media market cares about Syracuse. Do you forget that Rutgers is the ONLY FBS program in the NY media market? Do you forget that NJ is the NY media market, and not upstate NY? (Syracuse is nearly 300 miles from NYC. They have no bearing on the NY media market)

The numbers don't lie. Rutgers has had, I believe, 4 of the 5 top TV rating CFB games in the NY media market.

Pitt? The B1G already controls Pennsylvania with Penn State. Pitt is small fries compared to Penn State.

I never said Maryland outright takes the media market, nor did I say Rutgers outright take the media market. They are the first pieces to controlling the board though.

The ACC has not positioned itself well at all. They just lost a founding member, UNC and UVa have been in contact with the B1G, the Syracuse and Pitt message boards are wondering if they can somehow get into the B1G (which they have no chance in hell), and even Coach K is nervous.

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No one in the NY media market cares about Syracuse.

I simply disagree with you on this based on which team has been playing in Madison Square Garden every year in March. I disagree with the notion that Rutgers is anything more than a domino, a la Maryland. And I'll leave my opinion at that since I doubt we're going to come to a consensus on this.

Pitt? The B1G already controls Pennsylvania with Penn State. Pitt is small fries compared to Penn State.

This I will concede, Penn State is a more distinguished and more valuable program than Pitt. I will argue, however, that having a team in PA is better than not having a team in PA, and I also will be curious as to whether the Sandusky scandal has any long-term repercussions (doubtful, but we will see). Along the same lines for the Big Ten - I'll argue that Rutgers won't win New York, but having Rutgers is better than not having them.

They just lost a founding member, UNC and UVa have been in contact with the B1G

You're talking to a UVa fan. I have heard no rumors of the sort come to pass beyond connect-the-dots speculation. Not to say it hasn't happened, but if there were anything serious transpiring I'd like to think I'd know about it. Craig Littlepaige, our athletic director, continues to be a strong proponent of the ACC, as recently as this week when the Maryland move was announced.

The ACC has not positioned itself well at all.

We'll just agree to disagree on this as well, I suppose. I'm simply not buying this ACC gloom-and-doom scenario.

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I simply disagree with you on this based on which team has been playing in Madison Square Garden every year in March. I disagree with the notion that Rutgers is anything more than a domino, a la Maryland. And I'll leave my opinion at that since I doubt we're going to come to a consensus on this.



This I will concede, Penn State is a more distinguished and more valuable program than Pitt. I will argue, however, that having a team in PA is better than not having a team in PA, and I also will be curious as to whether the Sandusky scandal has any long-term repercussions (doubtful, but we will see). Along the same lines for the Big Ten - I'll argue that Rutgers won't win New York, but having Rutgers is better than not having them.



You're talking to a UVa fan. I have heard no rumors of the sort come to pass beyond connect-the-dots speculation. Not to say it hasn't happened, but if there were anything serious transpiring I'd like to think I'd know about it. Craig Littlepaige, our athletic director, continues to be a strong proponent of the ACC, as recently as this week when the Maryland move was announced.



We'll just agree to disagree on this as well, I suppose. I'm simply not buying this ACC gloom-and-doom scenario.

MSG? Conference expansion is all about the money, and basketball does not bring in the money.

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Will the Big Ten go after more? Eventually, not anytime soon.

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Will the Big Ten go after more? Eventually, not anytime soon.

Define soon.

Delany has no intention of stopping at 14. He has made that clear.

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I'm wondering who else we could see. I honestly would have never thought Rutgers or Maryland would be in. No offense to either team, just didn't expect it.

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I'm wondering who else we could see. I honestly would have never thought Rutgers or Maryland would be in. No offense to either team, just didn't expect it.

Rutgers to the B1G has been in the works for several years now. It is a perfect fit across the board, expands the conference footprint, gives PSU eastern partners, and gives the B1G access to more markets.

Not sure why it is surprising. AAU member, large/flagship/public university, plenty athletic potential, big media market...not sure why it is surprising.

As for who is next...well the big goal is to land Texas and Notre Dame, but UNC, UVa, Kansas and GaTech are strong possibilities as well.

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The ACC made a huge mistake when they passed up WVU in favor of Pitt and Syracuse. It became clear at that point that they were not interested in quality football.

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I keep on reading rumors about Virginia Tech and NC State being poached by the SEC. While I would like that to happen (I guess, though SEC basketball is a huge downgrade), I just don't know if I can believe it.

Also, I have a hard time seeing VT and UVA split up. UVA bent over backwards to get VT into the ACC a decade ago...

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The ACC made a huge mistake when they passed up WVU in favor of Pitt and Syracuse. It became clear at that point that they were not interested in quality football.

And not being interested in big time football is one of the many reasons the Big East collapsed

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And not being interested in big time football is one of the many reasons the Big East collapsed

True, though the Big East didn't have much in the way of options. It wasn't as if they could have poached any ACC or B1G school. I supposed they could have made a move and got TCU and Boise State sooner rather than later, though.

[WWF80sKid]

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Rutgers to the B1G has been in the works for several years now. It is a perfect fit across the board, expands the conference footprint, gives PSU eastern partners, and gives the B1G access to more markets.

Not sure why it is surprising. AAU member, large/flagship/public university, plenty athletic potential, big media market...not sure why it is surprising.

As for who is next...well the big goal is to land Texas and Notre Dame, but UNC, UVa, Kansas and GaTech are strong possibilities as well.

I had heard about them going for Rutgers for the NY market.

[WWF80sKid]

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On one of my NCAA dynasties, I put Virginia Tech and NC State in the Big Ten. Would love to see it in real life.