Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[ehh]

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Call it what you want, but something about Calhoun and even Geno oozes scum. I look at some of the players, mainly Drummond last year, and I wonder if he could even tie his shoes or tell time.

Touche, though that's the case for 95% of college coaches - basketball or football. Though Drummond is actually a bright kid, just looks like a goof.

There are plenty of people, even the some members of the media, that said the NCAA was so harsh on the APR with UConn because they wanted to stick it to Calhoun. There are other schools in the country with similar situations that basically got off free.

[Pmoney327]

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I hear you and if it were you or me, or anyone else on this board that went to college with an eye on academic achievement, that would be an issue. But seriously, those guys you mentioned went to school to get into the pros. Not to study for Org Chem and ace their med school boards in a few years. Now what I just said is messed up, but it is the reality of the situation.

But they have to realize that the majority of them won't go to the Pros, so perhaps they should study and get a degree in something that will help them earn a living after sports? A General Studies degree isn't going to open many doors for these kids.

[BurghFan]

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Oh damn, you're right. I wonder what I was thinking of?

Grand Valley State would be my guess.

Denver leaving the WAC and joining the Summit League.

http://www.denverpost.com/colleges/ci_22077493/denver-jumps-summit-league-leaving-behind-unstable-wac

Grand Canyon is Denver's replacement.

At this point, I think the WAC just needs to fold. To say it is a mere shell of what it once was would be a gross understatement. It's basically a clone of the Great West Conference, i e. a grouping of little known D-I programs who can't find a home or programs just transitioning up from D-II.

[SC3BBall]

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Ignorance.

It was so low because of how many players transferred during that period. It was the rebuilding time between our first two national titles and things got a little sloppy on the recruiting front. Tons of guys left early as well (Caron, Gordon, Okafor, Villanueva, Gay, Boone, Marcus Williams).

The program basically got punished for being too good at what they're supposed to do - putting kids into the pros.

The APR takes into account kids who leave in good academic standing.

So this argument doesn't hold much water.

[br329]

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Rumor going around that the Sun Belt is considering inviting App State, Georgia Southern, and Sam Houston State.

[bwburke94]

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It's a D2 school in Arizona. They actually have a decent football program, but it's a bit ridiculous that they'll be D1 in a couple of years.

WAC football appears to be dead. Don't worry about it, they'll probably be in the Big Sky for football.

[NYJets]

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Call it what you want, but something about Calhoun and even Geno oozes scum. I look at some of the players, mainly Drummond last year, and I wonder if he could even tie his shoes or tell time.

Don't know what Drummond has done to give you that indication. He was known as a pretty decent student. UConn has had a number of really good students on the basketball team in recent years. They also have a lot of players who don't care about school. That is every division 1 program, I don't see how you can single out UConn.

APR basically measures how good you are at keeping guys eligible. UConn was hurt because they released transfers from their scholarships without making them finish their current classes and leave in good standing. Or guys like Gavin Edwards who was 1 class away from graduating but instead of finishing he went to play pro in I believe Turkey. UConn didn't stay on top of the APR and they are paying for it, but it had nothing to do with recruiting players not smart enough for college, or the academic quality of the school. They didn't go along with the system like they should have.

[SC3BBall]

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Don't know what Drummond has done to give you that indication. He was known as a pretty decent student. UConn has had a number of really good students on the basketball team in recent years. They also have a lot of players who don't care about school. That is every division 1 program, I don't see how you can single out UConn.

APR basically measures how good you are at keeping guys eligible. UConn was hurt because they released transfers from their scholarships without making them finish their current classes and leave in good standing. Or guys like Gavin Edwards who was 1 class away from graduating but instead of finishing he went to play pro in I believe Turkey. UConn didn't stay on top of the APR and they are paying for it, but it had nothing to do with recruiting players not smart enough for college, or the academic quality of the school. They didn't go along with the system like they should have.

If a guy was truly 1 class away from graduating and decided to leave, he would not negatively affect the APR because he would have to be in good academic standing to graduate anyway.

[Cusefan]

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I hate the Idea that programs get punished because kids stop going to class. Syracuse nearly got the same suspension because 3 players stopped going to class(Paul Harris, J. Flynn, and Eric Devondorf), if they are dropping out what difference does it make to them if they stop going?

I am really pumped for L'ville though, that is a big time program that will immediately be a contender for the ACC championship.

[jake44np]

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I hate the Idea that programs get punished because kids stop going to class. Syracuse nearly got the same suspension because 3 players stopped going to class(Paul Harris, J. Flynn, and Eric Devondorf), if they are dropping out what difference does it make to them if they stop going?

I am really pumped for L'ville though, that is a big time program that will immediately be a contender for the ACC championship.

Are they not COLLEGE basketball players?

[NYJets]

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If a guy was truly 1 class away from graduating and decided to leave, he would not negatively affect the APR because he would have to be in good academic standing to graduate anyway.

No, he cost them a point. Players get up to 2 points per term, one for staying eligible, one for staying in school. He stayed eligible, but left school. If he had been drafted into the NBA it wouldn't have hurt, but since he played summer league and waited until the next fall to get a 6 figure contract overseas, he cost them a point. He came back a few years later and finished, getting them the point back, but at that point its a little late when the ncaa has already decided to make an example out of you.

Nobody really thinks the apr has anything to do with measuring academics.

[SC3BBall]

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No, he cost them a point. Players get up to 2 points per term, one for staying eligible, one for staying in school. He stayed eligible, but left school. If he had been drafted into the NBA it wouldn't have hurt, but since he played summer league and waited until the next fall to get a 6 figure contract overseas, he cost them a point. He came back a few years later and finished, getting them the point back, but at that point its a little late when the ncaa has already decided to make an example out of you.

Nobody really thinks the apr has anything to do with measuring academics.

Ahh okay, good point.

But lets face it, this isn't what is holding them out of conference expansion.

[NYJets]

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Oh I totally agree....actually not really sure where the apr topic came up.

I think the ACC needed to placate FSU and Clemson so they went with the better football school. The way it looks now I think eventually the acc will expand again and uconn will get in, just don't know when that will be. Of course if other dominoes fall first that could change things.

[caasoccer]

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The WAC is dead for football, this is the last year for it. It will be a non-football conference going forward.

[Pokes]

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Rumor going around that the Sun Belt is considering inviting App State, Georgia Southern, and Sam Houston State.

Not happening.