Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[cdawg44]

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It doesn't require them but they will eventually go to 14-16 teams.


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Yup they may, and it involves Texas or Oklahoma. Otherwise it ain't going down. By that same logic, the Big XII should invite SMU and Tulane since they HAVE to go 14 or 16. But they aren't doing that. They would if it was Clemson and FSU with BYU maybe. Otherwise, they will enjoy their money and sit pat right now. The Mountain West is a great example now of sometimes sitting pat and examining the landscape before you move. They stayed at 10 and have Boise back in the fold, and may get SDSU along with Houston and UTEP if everything works out.

Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled program. What do you guys think San Diego State does? They can get out too, but with NO exit fee however.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8796807/boise-state-broncos-staying-mountain-west-conference-all

[T-Moar]

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I was talking about academics too since they almost took Texas Tech which has terrible academics.

Plus you are missing a lot of other religious schools

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Name two.

Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled program. What do you guys think San Diego State does? They can get out too, but with NO exit fee however.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...conference-all

I'm absolutely shocked that Boise had to pay an exit fee. Apparently they're not as hot a commodity as they think they are, given that they didn't get as good of a deal as SDSU and Houston did.

[XBox_Roughneck]

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Perfect Storm

1) TCU leaving MWC
2) Boise State..leaves WAC
3) Boise State leaving MWC
4) Tate Forcier decides he doesn't want to play football for San Jose State afterall.
5) Because Boise, BYU, and San Diego State are leaving MWC it creates a need for San Jose and Utah State
6) San Jose State has it's best football season ever, with it's JC transfer QB (who they got only because Forcier wasn't going to play).
7) Big East Basketball schools exit left
8) Boise State....decides not to leave Mountain West
9)..... next?

I can't wait for next season.

[cdawg44]

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Name two.



I'm absolutely shocked that Boise had to pay an exit fee. Apparently they're not as hot a commodity as they think they are, given that they didn't get as good of a deal as SDSU and Houston did.

Because Boise wasn't smart and didn't ask. They were the linch pin. Their President totally mismanged the whole thing from the start. In the end, it the right call though. Houston, IMHO, will be alright. They can stay in what is left of the Big East which would be great for their basketball program, or go to the MWC. They are now the most key player in the new Big East with UCONN.

[TDenverFan]

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Isn't USC technically associated with the Methodist Church? Or am I confusing them with someone else?

I really don't think religion plays a big role at most schools, BYU and sorta Notre Dame being the exceptions. Schools like Duke, Syracuse, Wake Forest, etc. consider themselves non-sectarian.

[cdawg44]

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Isn't USC technically associated with the Methodist Church? Or am I confusing them with someone else?

I really don't think religion plays a big role at most schools, BYU and sorta Notre Dame being the exceptions. Schools like Duke, Syracuse, Wake Forest, etc. consider themselves non-sectarian.

A long, long, long time ago. Not since the 1920s.

I agree, but for Pac-12 Presidents, they won't touch any school with the lightest of religious affliation to be a member. Just a reality of the situation. SMU's problem isn't just that, it goes much deeper than that for any possible Pac-12 membership. Very small research focus compared to Pac-12 schools (If Wazzou and Oregon State weren't members now, they may not get in based on this), smallish alumni base and fan base (however wealthy and with deep pockets) and they aren't even the main show in their own towm (UT and OU being the major draws in Dallas.)

[TDenverFan]

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A long, long, long time ago. Not since the 1920s.

I agree, but for Pac-12 Presidents, they won't touch any school with the lightest of religious affliation to be a member. Just a reality of the situation. SMU's problem isn't just that, it goes much deeper than that for any possible Pac-12 membership. Very small research focus compared to Pac-12 schools (If Wazzou and Oregon State weren't members now, they may not get in based on this), smallish alumni base and fan base (however wealthy and with deep pockets) and they aren't even the main show in their own towm (UT and OU being the major draws in Dallas.)

Thanks for clatifying.

If I were Craig Thomson, 'd send invites to SDSU, BYU, SMU, Houston, and Tulsa. The MWC could have a 20 mil + TV deal, and become one of the power conferences.

[cdawg44]

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Thanks for clatifying.

If I were Craig Thomson, 'd send invites to SDSU, BYU, SMU, Houston, and Tulsa. The MWC could have a 20 mil + TV deal, and become one of the power conferences.

Wouldn't say they get that much, but 10 million a year per school is doable especially if they can get BYU to come back. But do they want to go to 16, lets not forget the MWC formed as 8 school breaking off from the WAC in 1998 and many people remember the headaches and pain of that. BYU and UH with SDSU, gives them claim to be the best of the group of 5.

[TDenverFan]

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Wouldn't say they get that much, but 10 million a year per school is doable especially if they can get BYU to come back. But do they want to go to 16, lets not forget the MWC formed as 8 school breaking off from the WAC in 1998 and many people remember the headaches and pain of that. BYU and UH with SDSU, gives them claim to be the best of the group of 5.

I thought ESPN reported that Boise could get 25 million in the MWC. IDK if they're getting abetter deal than the rest, though.

[dickey1331]

Name two.

TCU
Tulsa

You can even include Northwestern



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[p_rushing]

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Thanks for clatifying.

If I were Craig Thomson, 'd send invites to SDSU, BYU, SMU, Houston, and Tulsa. The MWC could have a 20 mil + TV deal, and become one of the power conferences.

They may be better off merging with the Big East football teams with an east/west "conference". They would be the first to go to 20+

[bwburke94]

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Didn't they try that with C-USA? That didn't work out so well...

[T-Moar]

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TCU
Tulsa

You can even include Northwestern



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Tulsa isn't in a major conference (and never will be, they have no Alumni base or TV market) and Northwestern is a pretty dubious example. I'll give you that I looked over TCU, though.

[adice15]

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Tulsa isn't in a major conference (and never will be, they have no Alumni base or TV market) and Northwestern is a pretty dubious example. I'll give you that I looked over TCU, though.

While I'll agree with the no alumni base, Tulsa was actually the 7th highest college football market last year. I think that if they joined a conference like the Mountain West and played teams like Boise every year, a lot more people in Tulsa would start watching them.

[T-Moar]

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While I'll agree with the no alumni base, Tulsa was actually the 7th highest college football market last year. I think that if they joined a conference like the Mountain West and played teams like Boise every year, a lot more people in Tulsa would start watching them.

1. I'd like to see those statistics that say that Tulsa was the 7th largest market last year. I don't necessarily doubt them, but statistic sharing is always good.

2. The MWC isn't really that great a conference football-wise. Sure, you get Boise or Hawai'i (who will both be in the other division), but you also have to take New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, and Air Force in your division. Honestly, the MWC is looking pretty West-heavy right now. Admittedly, you guys do get pretty huge jumps in attendance when you play the Oklahomas of the world, but you're not going to get too many of those in the MWC. The biggest leaps in attendance you're going to get are going to be against Houston and Boise State. Besides, every school gets those jumps. For example, when Rice played Texas in Reliant a few years ago, the game nearly sold out.

3. I feel like a lot of Tulsa's status as a college football market probably results from being fairly close to Stillwater. The statistics I've seen don't exactly show people kicking and shoving to find a seat in Skelly Stadium. According to the NCAA's records on the subject, you guys sold an average of 22,541 seats per game last year. That puts you guys about at the middle of the pack in either C-USA or the MWC in a good season (although, above SMU, for what it's worth).

With all of that having been said, I would gladly welcome Tulsa to the MWC or Big East if they were invited. Their program would, on average, improve either conference competitively, and they're certainly a better option across the board than, say, Tulane.