Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[Redacted01]

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I'll be somewhat surprised if we don't have four 16-team super conferences in 10 years ... maybe even five.

People said this several years go when conferences started expanding to 14. The 5 that are left like their power. None are going to give it up to merge, and most are too large to die now. The Big 12 is really the only one that could be poached and it's just hard to see all 10 going anywhere else to give the other 4 16 teams. The more likely route is 5 16-team conferences, but no one is going to want to water down their conference so much just to say they have 16. The WAC proved 16 is doomed to fail back in the 90's. Just too unwieldy, too much distance, no way you'd please all 16 long enough for them to stay together. Something would have to change with scheduling first.

You would still have the round robin. The only difference would be two divisions of 5 teams just to get two teams in a championship.

That kind of defeats the purpose. If they go divisions, to me you have to go back to 8 games with 10 teams. This isn't the SWAC where your championship doesn't lead to anything else. Let's say Baylor doesn't lose to WVU and TCU and Baylor are in different divisions for the sake of this. They meet in the Big 12 championship game, TCU at 8-1 and Baylor at 9-0. Let's say TCU wins. Are the Horned Frogs champions because they won something called a "championship game"? To me, they look like they're tied. Both are 9-1 at the end of the year, both won a game against each other. Talk about controversy... At least in the larger conferences, the case can be made that the teams didn't play all of the same teams. It just seems redundant and I think that could hurt them more than the scenario they had this year.

[LowerWolf]

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If the Pac-12 revisits its original plan of nabbing Texas and Oklahoma (and they decide to bolt this time), that will get the dominoes falling on the end of the Big XII and the birth of the super conference era.

[TripleCrown9]

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If you ever want a basic idea of how many people are uninformed (which, realistically, is a larger number in basically any topic) then read Facebook comments.

So many people saying the Big 12 should add Boise State and Notre Dame.

[gerg1234]

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If you ever want a basic idea of how many people are uninformed (which, realistically, is a larger number in basically any topic) then read Facebook comments.

So many people saying the Big 12 should add Boise State and Notre Dame.

Boise State's only chance at a power 5 will be if they can pursue the Big 12.

Notre Dame though.....is interesting because they will have to join a conference eventually. That conference will probably be the ACC though.

[coyotedelmar]

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Can't see Boise in the power 5, just seems they'd be a mid table team in a small tv market (thus not really worth it).



Memphis and Cincinnati make sense on the money side (assuming my list is up to date, both are top 50 tv markets), won't make the conference better otherwise in football. Cincinnati seems mid table, and Memphis probably be at the bottom.



They could go Westward and try for SDSU and UNLV, both wouldn't amount to much in football but if they are interested in improving basketball they'd help. Plus, again, top 50 TV markets (I think San Diego might be top 20, but I'd have to check again).

[rdnk]

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Cincinnati makes sense as it:

1. In a large market that Big12 has no teams in. Said market only really has the Big10 and the MAC in it right now.
2. Has been in the NCAA Basketball tournament the past 4 seasons.
3. Only missed out on a bowl game 5 times since 1997. Maybe they could actually keep their football coach if they joined a power conference.

Memphis makes some sense, as do some of the other schools in the AAC.

[Cards_King70]

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I've always been a fan of the round-robin. I liked it in the Big East. I like it in the Big 12. It's the best way to choose a champion.

I never fan of round robin schedules because I detest ties that always brought controversy i.e. Big 10. Not mention best team doesn't have to play best team that will bring controversy big time.

In case with Big 12, they decided to play every teams ,but I believe it did hurt SOS especially you have to play Iowa State, Kansas, Texas Tech while almost half of them are actual good teams.

12 teams did bring controversy once if you remember 3 way ties of Big 12 (Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Texas).

Big 12 probably will pass on Boise State ,but I think they should invite them since Boise is one of fastest growth cities. Colorado State is perfect partner for Boise State. On the other hand, BSU might prefer San Diego State because they planned to join Big East.

[countryboy]

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Boise State's only chance at a power 5 will be if they can pursue the Big 12.

Notre Dame though.....is interesting because they will have to join a conference eventually. That conference will probably be the ACC though.

Unless the ACC changes its mind and wants Notre Dame to join "fully" in football and play 8 conference games like the rest, they aren't joining a conference anytime soon.

[countryboy]

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Cincinnati makes sense as it:

1. In a large market that Big12 has no teams in. Said market only really has the Big10 and the MAC in it right now.
2. Has been in the NCAA Basketball tournament the past 4 seasons.
3. Only missed out on a bowl game 5 times since 1997. Maybe they could actually keep their football coach if they joined a power conference.

Memphis makes some sense, as do some of the other schools in the AAC.

Cincy and Memphis will be in the Big 12 before all is said and done.

[Redacted01]

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I never fan of round robin schedules because I detest ties that always brought controversy i.e. Big 10. Not mention best team doesn't have to play best team that will bring controversy big time.

In case with Big 12, they decided to play every teams ,but I believe it did hurt SOS especially you have to play Iowa State, Kansas, Texas Tech while almost half of them are actual good teams.

12 teams did bring controversy once if you remember 3 way ties of Big 12 (Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Texas).

Big 12 probably will pass on Boise State ,but I think they should invite them since Boise is one of fastest growth cities. Colorado State is perfect partner for Boise State. On the other hand, BSU might prefer San Diego State because they planned to join Big East.

The Big Ten never technically had a round robin as they always had an 8-game conference schedule and 10-11 teams (similar to Conference USA back then and the American this year which is why Cinci got to be called co-champions despite losing to Memphis). At least the co-champions had some justification back then because it was likely the two teams didn't play identical schedules in the rest of the conference. Not sure what you mean by "best team doesn't have to play best team". That's the definition of round robin; everyone plays everyone.

The only reason the tie in the Big 12 at that time was controversial was because they used the BCS to break the tie. I'm fine with computers breaking ties, but you essentially let human polls account for 66% of who is your division leader by using the BCS. Not saying there was a better option than some silly point differential tie breaker or something like that (though the SEC has some odd ball one way on down the list now about the combined record of your opponents in the other division).

[Cards_King70]

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Cincy and Memphis will be in the Big 12 before all is said and done.

Unfortunately, it won't happen because you can thank to Commissioner Bowlsby who said Big 12 has no plan to change. He'll better hope that Oklahoma or Texas wins next year. If not, they will get other snub.

[superjames1992]

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Unfortunately, it won't happen because you can thank to Commissioner Bowlsby who said Big 12 has no plan to change. He'll better hope that Oklahoma or Texas wins next year. If not, they will get other snub.

The Big 12 should've just taken WVU, TCU, Louisville, and Cincinnati and been done with it a few years ago. Now Louisville is untouchable and the other expansion targets aren't especially appetizing. The Big 12's lack of foresight will probably come back to bite them eventually. Will the conference survive another 10 years? I'm not so sure.

[jake44np]

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Unfortunately, it won't happen because you can thank to Commissioner Bowlsby who said Big 12 has no plan to change. He'll better hope that Oklahoma or Texas wins next year. If not, they will get other snub.

Nonsense, he will be forced to add two teams by the conference members.
I live in Cincy and word is they have been contacted 3 times in the last couple weeks by the big 12.
Did anyone hear what Bob Huggins said on his coaches show this week?? It made news here in Cincy because of what he said, otherwise i would not have heard it either.
They were talking about the BIg 12 expanding and he said a close coaching friend of his at a non Power conference school told him they have been contacted by the big 12 and will be joining in the next 2 years.
The host asked Huggins if this close coaching friend was Mick Cronin (remember Mick coached under Huggins), Huggins laughed and said no comment.

[BurghFan]

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Coastal Carolina to the Sun Belt in all sports except football in 2016, football in 2017

Coastal Carolina to Join Sun Belt Conference

The Coastal Carolina Chanticleers will join the Sun Belt Conference in football beginning with the 2017 season, the school announced today.

“On behalf of all of us at Coastal Carolina University, I’m honored to accept the invitation to join the Sun Belt Conference,” CCU President David A. DeCenzo said. “I am grateful to Sun Belt Commissioner, Mr. Karl Benson, for his steadfast support of CCU, and to the Sun Belt presidents and chancellors, who honored CCU by selecting their 12th member school.”

Coastal Carolina will officially join the Sun Belt in all sports except football on July 1, 2016. The football program will be an FBS transitional team in 2016 and will join the Sun Belt in 2017.

The Chanticleers will be able to compete for the Sun Belt football championship in the 2017 season and can then participate in a postseason bowl game following the 2018 season.

Coastal Carolina, located in Conway, South Carolina, has been a member of the Big South Conference since they began playing football in 2003. The Chanticleers have won six Big South championships and have played in the FCS Playoffs four times.

Assuming no other teams leave the conference, this will give the Sun Belt 12 teams and the right to hold a conference championship game.

[TheShizNo1]

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What's the end game here with teams moving up? Is there a point in which its too many?