Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[DonkeyJote]

The Big 12 is a complete joke of a conference. I really wish OU would have been able to join the Pac-12.

It's ironic, because it's probably the best conference in college football, and TCU and West Virginia replacing Missouri and A&M might make it even better.

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[lonewolf371]

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It's ironic, because it's probably the best conference in college football, and TCU and West Virginia replacing Missouri and A&M might make it even better.

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They won't make nearly as much money. And West Virginia and TCU don't have the same potential that Mizzou and A&M have.

[nortobc]

Give me a break dude. Big 12 isn't even close to as good as the sec.

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[DonkeyJote]

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Give me a break dude. Big 12 isn't even close to as good as the sec.

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Really? The BCS computers disagree. If anything, the conferences are neck and neck. They have the same number of top 25 BCS teams, same number of top 10 teams, and their out of conference records are nearly identical. It's 1 and 1a at this point. There's no way to compare the two, however, until bowl season, since there was only one Big 12/SEC game this year (and it involved A&M).

[dickey1331]

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I do not see the Big East giving West Virginia the go-ahead to leave early but not SU and Pitt. The sooner WVU leaves, the sooner the Big East dies and they know it.

What I want to know is why any team would consider going to the Big East, without SU, PITT, and WVU, they are no better than CUSA. I am curious as to what happens to UCONN or RU,

Because the Big East is still an AQ conference. AQ > anything else.

[The GIGGAS]

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Because the Big East is still an AQ conference. AQ > anything else.

You think they're going to keep that AQ?

[wpnads]

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The Mountaineers WILL BE playing in the Big 12 starting next year. They have already paid half of the 5 million dollar exit fee yesterday and will pay the balance when they leave. The Big East tried the same ploy about "enforcing the 27 month commitment" back in 2003 when Va Tech, Miami, and later BC announced their intentions of leaving the conference to join the ACC. The BE Commish released statements publicly about how those programs were going to be made to adhere to the agreement even if it took legal actions to do so, while privately the programs and the conference negotiated a settlement. That's how the three programs opened the 2004 season in the ACC. The same is going to happen in this case. After all of the bluster and posturing publicly by the BE Commish, there will be a quite settlement. BTW, I find it funny that Pitt is now joining the ACC after they publicly denounced both the Conference and the three programs back in 2003.

[lonewolf371]

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The Mountaineers WILL BE playing in the Big 12 starting next year. They have already paid half of the 5 million dollar exit fee yesterday and will pay the balance when they leave. The Big East tried the same ploy about "enforcing the 27 month commitment" back in 2003 when Va Tech, Miami, and later BC announced their intentions of leaving the conference to join the ACC. The BE Commish released statements publicly about how those programs were going to be made to adhere to the agreement even if it took legal actions to do so, while privately the programs and the conference negotiated a settlement. That's how the three programs opened the 2004 season in the ACC. The same is going to happen in this case. After all of the bluster and posturing publicly by the BE Commish, there will be a quite settlement. BTW, I find it funny that Pitt is now joining the ACC after they publicly denounced both the Conference and the three programs back in 2003.

After that Pitt probably realized, "Dang, getting left behind sucks!"

[dickey1331]

You think they're going to keep that AQ?

If UCF, Houston, SMU, Boise and possibly Air Force, Navy and BYU join then yes.

The BCS will not take away an AQ spot unless its to another non AQ conference. If there's only 4 AQ conferences then it's a lawsuit waiting to happen due to the amount of schools not in an AQ conference.


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[Bondgirl0072]

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Website prematurely welcomes Missouri to SEC

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7159907/southeastern-conference-website-prematurely-welcomes-mizzou-tigers-conference

[DonkeyJote]

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You think they're going to keep that AQ?

Not sure. Everyone assumes that since we know what it takes to become a AQ conference, that failure to meet those standards would cause a lose in AQ status, but that's not true. In fact, if we were to take the lists we got last year when they were talking about the Mountain West, the Big Ten and ACC would both lose their AQ status, and there'd only be 4 AQ conferences. The truth is, there isn't any set of rules (that anyone knows of anyway) to lose AQ status. The way the Big East would lose it's status wouldn't be by some formula, but by the other 5 conferences deciding they don't want/need the Big East anymore.

The Big 12 has Texas, so they'll always be safe. The SEC is the SEC. The Pac 12 and B1G have the Rose Bowl and each other - they'll never let the other fall out. So the ACC, Big East, and any other conference have to make themselves valuable. That's why I believe a Big East/Conf USA/MWC alignment would be allowed to keep the Big East's birth. It would eliminate the "BCS Buster" - every BCS Buster has come from the WAC or MWC. The WAC schools (Hawaii and Boise) are in the MWC. If you look at all the schools that have ever been eligible to go to a BCS bowl, their 2012 conference affiliations are: Mountain West - 6, Big 12 - 5, Pac 12 - 2, Conference USA - 1, Big East - 1, Independent - 1, MAC - 1. That means, a possible Big East/MWC/C-USA alliance may eliminate the BCS buster. It would leave only a very diminished WAC, Sun Belt, and MAC conferences as non-AQ, with the MAC not having a BCS eligible team since 2003's Miami (OH), and the WAC and Sun Belt having nothing. It also still leaves BYU, Army, and Navy, unless they all join conferences as well.

One interesting that occurred to me, is that with the renegotiating of the BCS contract coming up, Notre Dame could be forced into a conference. If the other conferences and the tv network agrees to get rid of the Notre Dame stipulation, that may force Notre Dame's hand to join a conference. I could see the conferences trying to do that, and hoping they'll win the Notre Dame sweepstakes.

[coogrfan]

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The Big 12 is a complete joke of a conference. I really wish OU would have been able to join the Pac-12.

I could not disagree more. WVU+TCU are a definite upgrade over TAMU + Mizzou.

For all the hair pulling and teeth gnashing we've seen the last few months from the doom and gloom crowd regarding the future of the B12, your conference is in much better shape now than it was 3 months ago.

[TripleCrown9]

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I could not disagree more. WVU+TCU are a definite upgrade over TAMU + Mizzou.

For all the hair pulling and teeth gnashing we've seen the last few months from the doom and gloom crowd regarding the future of the B12, your conference is in much better shape now than it was 3 months ago.

All they need now is Houston and Louisville

[He1nousOne1]

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You're assuming that it goes to the university and not to new athletics facilities/new athletics programs, each of which are more likely.

Wow, this board has seen a considerable increase in traffic lately. Would have responded earlier.

What I am assuming is that increased funding to athletic facilities can directly lead to an even bigger increase in incoming funds and yes a portion of increased athletic returns does go to other aspects of the University.

The Big East will enforce the 27 month waiting period...unless there is some loophole

How about the "Agree to not invite anymore Big East programs and you can have WVU next year" loophole?

The Big 12 is a complete joke of a conference. I really wish OU would have been able to join the Pac-12.

That could still very well happen if the Alliance works out with Boise, Houston and UCF sticking around for it.

If UCF, Houston, SMU, Boise and possibly Air Force, Navy and BYU join then yes.

The BCS will not take away an AQ spot unless its to another non AQ conference. If there's only 4 AQ conferences then it's a lawsuit waiting to happen due to the amount of schools not in an AQ conference.

In the end I would think those programs would rather create something new that could earn a BCS AQ spot rather than having to deal with all those Northeastern basketball schools. They have all seen how big of a pain in the *** they are and how the Big East hybrid is just not competitive. Keeping independent from those basketball schools could be enough to lead those programs to the Alliance idea instead.

[TDenverFan]

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Air Force
Boise State
Colorado State
Nevada
Fresno
Hawaii
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
BYU

I think that would be AQ. And maybe UCF and ECU as Football only to get a CCG.