Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[choadler]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

Couldn't the SEC use that one against the Big 12 now?

Something like, "Oh, you want to try to file suit against us? Well why did you come talking to one of our schools?"

You can take everything I know about the legal processes involved here and fit it all under my thumbnail, so... If you want to break this down in layman's terms, feel free to clarify.

It just seems to me that that was a(slightly) under-handed move that could hurt any cases coming against the SEC...

Arkansas has not agreed to leave the SEC, thus no damages have been done. You can't sue when no damages have been done.

[untrugby]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

Or just have the playoffs first, and then all the teams, winners and losers go on to the traditional bowls. That is what we have today. We have 1 championship game, and the rest are consolation bowls. The SEC championship game is currently a psuedo playoff game, and the loser still goes on to a Bowl.

Thats why a 13-0 2004 auburn team is a national champion right?

[choadler]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketb...ig_east_090811

This is what everyone isn't understanding. The SEC is doing something that has never been done before by asking for this stipulation. I am sure A&M will be apart of the SEC, but it sure doesn't seem like the SEC is fighting very hard for them.

It is embarrassing for A&M and looks foolish. SEC is the big boy in the country and is letting Baylor dictate to them.

When Miami and Va Tech left the Big East, there were no guarantees, lawsuits were filed, but oh well, they still went and the ACC is doing just fine. When the SWC broke apart, there were no guarantees signed and no one sued. When Nebraska and Colorado left, no one signed guarantees and no one sued.

[Brandwin]

Take this with a grain of salt

@FootballBYU: BYU will accept Big 12 offer pending OU signs intent to stay contract... Could be announced as early as Saturday

[lonewolf371]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

The only people who want to think that college athletics are all about history and tradition are the same people who want to fool themselves into thinking cheating doesn't happen.

College athletics first and foremost goal is to make money for the university. And then entertainment.

BTW, why are the rivalries ruined? If they were so strong to begin with, then why doesn't Nebraska schedule Oklahoma out of conference? Simply put, I don't think they care about tradition and history like the fans sometimes do. And rightfully so.

No, not right at all. The history and tradition are both a huge part of the sport. I think 5-6 12 team conferences would be just about the best outcome for college football. Super conferences just muddle everything up and destroy traditional rivalries.

[seasprite]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

Take this with a grain of salt

@FootballBYU: BYU will accept Big 12 offer pending OU signs intent to stay contract... Could be announced as early as Saturday

Interesting, didnt they just move to independent this year?

[DonkeyJote]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

I honestly don't see how Oklahoma wanting to leave (as this is what Baylor's action is about, not A&M) has anything to do with tradition. Oklahoma is in a weird spot. It's only long-term traditional rival is Ok. St., and they're going with them. Any rivalry with the Big 8 schools was kinda messed up by Ok and Ok St. being in the old South division, and their rivalries with the Texas schools aren't exactly long standing, traditional rivalries.

Tradition doesn't necessarily go away with super conferences, imo. And I don't think everyone is going to go to 16 just to go to 16. What's the benefit of 16 schools over 14? And why is 16 schools the limit and not 18? The only benefit of 16 I see for the Pac 12 is that it allows them to not split up any of the regional rivalries that are a huge part of the conference. But I don't see conferences going to 16 just for the sake of getting to 16 - the SEC isn't going to do it unless they get Florida St. or another top caliber program. The ACC isn't going to do it, because they can't get that many schools without going into Conf-USA, and who wants those schools? The Big East can't do it because of all the non-football schools, and basketball is still extremely important to that conference. The Big Ten isn't going to do it unless is means Texas and/or Notre Dame. The big thing here, imo, is that conferences aren't imposing a limit of 12 schools on themselves that might prevent them from getting a top program. The Big Ten did that for years - their limit was 12, and they wanted to keep a spot open for Notre Dame - as soon as they realized that they could go past 12, they invited Nebraska.

A&M is going to the SEC. The big question right now is whether Oklahoma is going west. If Oklahoma stays, everyone is happy, they invite BYU, and they aren't really much worse off. I think Oklahoma is considering leaving again because they don't want to go through this every year. And I get that. They want to find a stable home, and I think even if they all "commit" to the Big 12, it won't be very stable year to year. It's not a conference long for the future, because no one in it trusts each other.

[DonkeyJote]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

Interesting, didnt they just move to independent this year?

They went independent solely with the idea that they'd be ready to join the Big 12 if/when the Big 12 wanted them to. That's where they always wanted to be. I think they fit the conference very well.

[seasprite]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

They went independent solely with the idea that they'd be ready to join the Big 12 if/when the Big 12 wanted them to. That's where they always wanted to be. I think they fit the conference very well.

Oh ok, dont know much about BYU

[ZB9]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

It's only long-term traditional rival is Ok. St., and they're going with them. Any rivalry with the Big 8 schools was kinda messed up by Ok and Ok St. being in the old South division, and their rivalries with the Texas schools aren't exactly long standing, traditional rivalries.

yea right..Texas and OU have only been playing since 1900

It's one of the best traditional rivalries in college football

[choadler]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

My only hope is that we don't lose good out of conference games that make the first 3 or 4 weeks of the season compelling.

I just don't see these super conference teams scheduling tough out of conference games when they 9 conference games.

[choadler]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

[quote=DonkeyJote;2042825889]I honestly don't see how Oklahoma wanting to leave (as this is what Baylor's action is about, not A&M) has anything to do with tradition. Oklahoma is in a weird spot. It's only long-term traditional rival is Ok. St., and they're going with them. Any rivalry with the Big 8 schools was kinda messed up by Ok and Ok St. being in the old South division, and their rivalries with the Texas schools aren't exactly long standing, traditional rivalries.
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WHAT? Texas and Oklahoma have been playing for over 80 years or something like that. It is one of the top 3 or 4 rivalries in all of college football. It is hate. It is bigger than Texas and Texas A&M.


Oops...didn't see ZB9's post.

[choadler]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

Oh ok, dont know much about BYU

Yeah, i think BYU is a good fit and on par with Texas A&M really as far as program success of the last 10 plus years. Plus it bring in a new state for viewing.

As long as no other conference starts poaching teams, not sure this doesn't stop the landslide for a few years.

[Cardot]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

because then Nebraska would have to play a top team every year in addition to a big 10 schedule and have little chance at the NC because of the way the polls and BCS works.

Well then that will be the true test of the "Rivalry". Florida plays FSU despite their SEC schedule.

Super conferences present the opportunity for some new rivalries as well. If Texas goes to the Pac-28, UT and USC could quickly become a big one. Lots of possibilities.

[BunnyHardaway]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

They went independent solely with the idea that they'd be ready to join the Big 12 if/when the Big 12 wanted them to. That's where they always wanted to be. I think they fit the conference very well.

I feel bad for the WCC. Adding BYU was huge for them, now they're probably going to lose them after one year.