Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[Bondgirl0072]

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Source: Baylor awaiting Sooners' move

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6944518/baylor-bears-budge-waiving-legal-rights-oklahoma-sooners-decide-future-source-says

[Perfect Zero]

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Playoff rounds should be on campus.

And just how is the revenue split? I don't think many teams will want to see a whole bunch of money go to the other team when they might play across the country. How are you going to shuttle Florida fans to Southern California or any of the other scenarios? Are you saying that teams would agree to ditch a system where they have neutral site games for one where one team can dominate the other?

If you want fans, I would think that a matchup against a top ranked team from another confernce would be a better draw than a cupcake. And better yet, since it won't count against your conference record, it won't hurt your NC aspirations even if you lose.

You're basing this on if there is a playoff system. Even then, a team that beats up on the FCS teams of the world is going to have the better record against teams that beat each other up in OOC games.

The sixth largest game at Kyle Field ever was against Southern Methodist last Sunday. It sure didn't hurt that SMU is in Conference USA.

[Aggies67]

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OU should refuse to commit to stay in Big 12. Who in their right mind would want to stay in that dysfunctional family?

That means no SEC for TAMU, and I'm okay with that, as long as they don't go crawling back to the Big 12. They can go Big 10, hopefully.

[lonewolf371]

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OU should refuse to commit to stay in Big 12. Who in their right mind would want to stay in that dysfunctional family?

That means no SEC for TAMU, and I'm okay with that, as long as they don't go crawling back to the Big 12. They can go Big 10, hopefully.

I doubt it. What does everyone think the Big Ten wants to jump all the way across the country and grab a Texas school?

[ZB9]

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But rumors will continue every offseason until the other 9 stand up to Texas. And Texas concedes. I'm holding my breath.

until Texas concedes what exactly?

[Jr.]

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I've heard that there's "too much money on the table" for college football playoffs for years now. If there really was that much money, it would be in by now. No conference feels like it's obligated to go forth with a playoff. It's hard enough to get your fanbase to go to one game out of the way at a neutral site. It's going to be even harder if you multiply that by two or three.

And even if somehow the university presidents do a 180 and get a playoff, it's the same problem that you have now. What if the two top teams from the SEC are from the West? Does a 11-1 Louisiana State team stay home while a 9-3 South Carolina team gets a pass? How can you account for all of the universities that may not be in a superconference? Even if an out of conference game was not that important, you'll still try to pad your stats to get fans into the stadium for a guaranteed win and for a warm-up game. Superconferences will act as the playoff itself. The more things change, the more they will stay the same.

But as of now, the BCS conferences would have to split the money with any other conferences that get a team in a playoff. I would see the superconferences forming another division within the NCAA, or splitting off from the NCAA completely and sanctioning themselves. That way, the 4 conferences could keep all of the money for a playoff for themselves.

Fans will come to the stadium to see Florida/Michigan much more than Florida/FAU (see Florida's end to their home sellout streak last weekend). Right now, teams don't want to schedule tough OOC games because 1 loss takes you out of the NC picture for the most part. If they don't have to worry about OOC losses then I would see them scheduling more elite games to get national TV coverage and bring even more fans to the stadium.

Like someone else said, I would see the early playoff games being held at the site of the higher ranked team, or maybe a rotation of some sort where the BIG Ten hosts one year, then the SEC, then the PAC-16, etc.

Again, I'm not saying this is a sure thing, but I believe this is the way college football is headed. At least, that's my hope because superconferences are right around the corner.

[Perfect Zero]

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I'm not going to quote that whole thing, but the problem from what you wrote is that you're writing from the fan's perspective. Do the college presidents want to go through with a playoff when they are still making money and living in nostalgia with the bowl system? It's fine if you think you could make a game, but what about the entire fan base? How are you going to justify adding the extra games for students when player safety is being criticized all the time, or when administrations warn against football going into exam times? That may seem simple to solve to you, but past records have shown schools kicking and screaming when playoffs are mentioned. Superconferences won't change that.

[choadler]

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until Texas concedes what exactly?

Exactly, what does Texas concede? Their tier 1 and tier 2 rights are split more evenly than ever. 76% of all revenues are split. The remaing 24% is incentive based revenue for scheduling interesting non conference opponents. Texas Tech going out and scheduling FCS schools will not get any of that money. Baylor scheduling TCU and getting a nationally broadcast game will.

By terms of the Big 12, Tier 3 rights (LHN) are not controlled by the Big 12. Thus OU, k state, and mizzou are all in the process of starting media distributions of their own.

The Baylors, ISU, K State, kansas are making more money than ever. I am not sure you can blame Texas for ESPN offering $300M for the rights to 1 inconsequential out of conference game and 1 other in conference game and broadcasting Olympic sports. What school wouldn't turn that down.

Fact is A&M never wanted to go to the Big 12, they have always wanted to go to the SEC from the collapse of the SWC. Now they have their excuse.

Nebraska and Colorado did not leave becasue of the LHN or Texas. Nebrasksa recieved more revenue than all of those schools and in some years received more than Texas when they went to BCS bowls and were nationally prominent. Colorado left because their alums are primarily on the west coast and they were going to be receiving more money in the PAC 12 alignment.

Oklahoma has recieved more money than Texas on numerous years. Let's not pretend that Texas is making $30M while these schools are making $3 or $4 million. These schools all agreed to unequal distribution of revenues. Did Texas coerce them?

If Nebraska thought unequal revenue sharing was bad, why did they vote to approve it? They didn't need to take Texas in, they could have allowed Texas to go to the Big 10 or the Pac 10 back then. They could have formed a conference without Texas.
If they decided to bow down to Texas and allow unequal revenue sharing than that is their fault for being greedy and taking Texas into the conference. Which incidentally all leads back to why they left the Big 12, to take more money from the Big 10.

Everyone spouts off about how Texas is the bully. How exactly have they bullied. Everyone says it yet no one is ever able to come up with how Texas bullied them. Last I heard there were 12 teams in that league that all had a separate vote. Last I heard Missouri was the first to threaten to leave the conference for the riches of the Big 10. Last I heard, Nebraska left and Colorado left for where the money was. Anyone that doesn't think this isn't a money grab under the guise that UT is a big bad bully doesn't understand what is going on.

[Cardot]

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I'm not going to quote that whole thing, but the problem from what you wrote is that you're writing from the fan's perspective.

Ofcourse. And in the grand scheme that is where all the $$$ comes from. So a pretty good perspective.

It's fine if you think you could make a game, but what about the entire fan base? How are you going to justify adding the extra games for students when player safety is being criticized all the time, or when administrations warn against football going into exam times?

Yeah, the whole student athlete argument is comical. For the four schools each year that would be impacted, I am sure that make up exams or something could be worked out. Every other sport seems to manage.

There wasn't too much concern for fan bases travelling when the conferences thought dreamt up the conference championship games...just the cash.

[Jr.]

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I'm not going to quote that whole thing, but the problem from what you wrote is that you're writing from the fan's perspective. Do the college presidents want to go through with a playoff when they are still making money and living in nostalgia with the bowl system? It's fine if you think you could make a game, but what about the entire fan base? How are you going to justify adding the extra games for students when player safety is being criticized all the time, or when administrations warn against football going into exam times? That may seem simple to solve to you, but past records have shown schools kicking and screaming when playoffs are mentioned. Superconferences won't change that.

I think when the college presidents see that there's a lot more money to be made from a potential playoff than the bowls, yes I do think they'll change.

Every time I hear about a playoff now, the main reason the presidents don't want it is because they would have to share part of the money with the Boise's and TCU's of the college football world. Once the superconferences are here, those teams will already be a part of it. The money will stay within the 4 conferences that form. Then they will see CBS, ESPN, FOX, etc. offering 2X as much as they have for March Madness for a college football playoff. All of that money stays with the 64 schools in the 4 conferences. I think they will jump on that.

The exams argument and all of that is just rhetoric that the presidents use instead of saying the real reason, they don't want to give any more money than necessary to conferences that aren't AQs. D1aa, D2, and D3 somehow manage to run playoffs without all of their athletes failing out of school.

There's plenty of time to run the playoff between the end of exams (2nd week in december for the vast majority of schools) and the first week of January so schools is not interfered with.

If the university presidents were truly worried about player safety and academics, there wouldn't be college games on tuesdays, wednesdays, thursdays, or fridays. Division 1a football is about money and a facade of caring about the student-athletes. A playoff will bring in billions.

[choadler]

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I think when the college presidents see that there's a lot more money to be made from a potential playoff than the bowls, yes I do think they'll change.

Every time I hear about a playoff now, the main reason the presidents don't want it is because they would have to share part of the money with the Boise's and TCU's of the college football world. Once the superconferences are here, those teams will already be a part of it. The money will stay within the 4 conferences that form. Then they will see CBS, ESPN, FOX, etc. offering 2X as much as they have for March Madness for a college football playoff. All of that money stays with the 64 schools in the 4 conferences. I think they will jump on that.

The exams argument and all of that is just rhetoric that the presidents use instead of saying the real reason, they don't want to give any more money than necessary to conferences that aren't AQs. D1aa, D2, and D3 somehow manage to run playoffs without all of their athletes failing out of school.

There's plenty of time to run the playoff between the end of exams (2nd week in december for the vast majority of schools) and the first week of January so schools is not interfered with.

If the university presidents were truly worried about player safety and academics, there wouldn't be college games on tuesdays, wednesdays, thursdays, or fridays. Division 1a football is about money and a facade of caring about the student-athletes. A playoff will bring in billions.

You make some good points, the only thing that hampers this is I think there will be intervention by the government if 4 superconferences form and there is a playoff excluding the remaining 40 some odd teams. As lame as the BCS is, it still is inclusive of the mid major teams like Boise and TCU to an extent and has delayed government intervention. So I think the presidents will continue with the BCS as it gives the appearance (however, slight that may be) that a team in a non AQ conference has the opportunity be apart of the BCS bowls. Technically, any team could rise up and be the next Boise.

[doom41]

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Texas A&M lives and dies by Texas. Their traditions, their fightsong, is all about Texas. It is simply not the case with Texas. For Texas fan it is like little brother is trying to assert himself and you need to put him back in his place. And at the end of the day, A&M and Texas are still Texans.

Please don't talk about A&M traditions that you know nothing about. A&M's traditions and "War Hymn" are no more "all about" Texas than Texas' Traditions and "Texas Fight" are "all about" A&M.
1.A&M had the Bonfire before the game with A&M-Texas every year. Texas had the "Hex Rally" (for those of you who don't know this was just a big candle light vigil) before the A&M-Texas game every year.
2.The second verse of the "Aggie War Hymn" says "Goodbye to Texas University, So long to the orange and the white'. "Texas Fight" says "And it's goodbye to A&M" and was written for the sole purpose of countering A&M's song.
"Long before I entered The University of Texas in 1909 and until about the year 1928 the Aggies had one of the most effective and awe inspiring songs used by any student body any where any time." -Colonel Walter S. Hunnicutt, author of "Texas Fight"
It says all this right on UT's Band Page: http://mbe187.music.utexas.edu/Longh...ory/Songs.aspx
3. A&M has the Twelth Man & Midnight Yell, both traditions recognized around the country as a couple of the best in college football. They have nothing to do with Texas, and Texas has nothing comparable.
4. A&M has "Aggie Muster" where every year on April 21st Aggies get together around the world to celebrate with their fellow Ags, and it is ended of with a remembrance of all fellow Aggies past or present who lost their lives over the past year.
Muster takes place wherever there are Aggies there to celebrate. It was held on the Island of Corregidor durring WWII, it's been held In Iraq and Afganistan, Korea & Vietnam, and is held in every State in the United States. Once again, it has nothing to do with Texas, and Texas has nothing comparable.
5. A&M has "Silver Taps", which if needed, is held the First Tuesday of the month to honor a current student who has passed away. At 10 PM the lights on campus are shut off, students gather quietly in front of the Academic Building, The Ross Volenteers (a special unit inthe Corps that is the Official Honor Guard of the Governor of Texas) marches in in slow cadence and fires a 21 gun solute, then Silver Taps is played from the top of the academic building. All in honor of a fellow Ag that 90% of the people there never knew personally. Once again, nothing to do with Texas, and Texas has nothing comparable.
I could go on, but I'll stop there. The piont is, A&M and it's traditions couldn't care less about UT.
The line about all A&M's traditions focusing on UT is just a line used to make Longhorns feel better about themselves, but any one of A&M's traditions is far more impressive than all of Texas tradition's combined.

[DonkeyJote]

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The real reason for no playoffs is they'd have to be competing directly with the NFL playoffs. That's why it won't happen, and that's why BCS games are typically on week nights. The only way a playoff works is if they play less regular season games, and I don't see that happening.

[choadler]

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Please don't talk about A&M traditions that you know nothing about. A&M's traditions and "War Hymn" are no more "all about" Texas than Texas' Traditions and "Texas Fight" are "all about" A&M.
1.A&M had the Bonfire before the game with A&M-Texas every year. Texas had the "Hex Rally" (for those of you who don't know this was just a big candle light vigil) before the A&M-Texas game every year.
2.The second verse of the "Aggie War Hymn" says "Goodbye to Texas University, So long to the orange and the white'. "Texas Fight" says "And it's goodbye to A&M" and was written for the sole purpose of countering A&M's song.
"Long before I entered The University of Texas in 1909 and until about the year 1928 the Aggies had one of the most effective and awe inspiring songs used by any student body any where any time." -Colonel Walter S. Hunnicutt, author of "Texas Fight"
It says all this right on UT's Band Page: http://mbe187.music.utexas.edu/Longh...ory/Songs.aspx
3. A&M has the Twelth Man & Midnight Yell, both traditions recognized around the country as a couple of the best in college football. They have nothing to do with Texas, and Texas has nothing comparable.
4. A&M has "Aggie Muster" where every year on April 21st Aggies get together around the world to celebrate with their fellow Ags, and it is ended of with a remembrance of all fellow Aggies past or present who lost their lives over the past year.
Muster takes place wherever there are Aggies there to celebrate. It was held on the Island of Corregidor durring WWII, it's been held In Iraq and Afganistan, Korea & Vietnam, and is held in every State in the United States. Once again, it has nothing to do with Texas, and Texas has nothing comparable.
5. A&M has "Silver Taps", which if needed, is held the First Tuesday of the month to honor a current student who has passed away. At 10 PM the lights on campus are shut off, students gather quietly in front of the Academic Building, The Ross Volenteers (a special unit inthe Corps that is the Official Honor Guard of the Governor of Texas) marches in in slow cadence and fires a 21 gun solute, then Silver Taps is played from the top of the academic building. All in honor of a fellow Ag that 90% of the people there never knew personally. Once again, nothing to do with Texas, and Texas has nothing comparable.
I could go on, but I'll stop there. The piont is, A&M and it's traditions couldn't care less about UT.
The line about all A&M's traditions focusing on UT is just a line used to make Longhorns feel better about themselves, but any one of A&M's traditions is far more impressive than all of Texas tradition's combined.

Hehe, touche!

They forgot one big tradition, winning!!

Wait, I forgot a couple more:

1. Cadets pulling swords on opposing teams chearleaders
2. Cadets grabbing genitals when Aggies are on defense.

[Aggies67]

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Hehe, touche!

They forgot one big tradition, winning!!

Ha, we sure remembered how last year, didn't we? Especially when we played Texas.