Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[choadler]

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I'd actually love for UT to come to the Pac-Megatron, because the original 8 would humble them so quickly (maybe not so much on the field, but politically between the universities) that it wouldn't even be funny. Then there's the fact that the Arizona schools would be UBER-mad that they're stuck in the East with limited access to California, and the meltdown would be HILARIOUS.

Unfortunately, unless PAC 12 concedes on the LHN (which I don't think they will), UT is not going there. They aren't going to walk away from it for the PAC 12.

[choadler]

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Hasnt OU already been doing that?

http://www.chron.com/sports/article/...rk-2147958.php

This is why the PAC 12 is very attractive to Oklahoma. They would instantly have a regional network rather than the uncertainties of trying to start their own network. They would have to share with Okie Lite though.

[DonkeyJote]

Unfortunately, unless PAC 12 concedes on the LHN (which I don't think they will), UT is not going there. They aren't going to walk away from it for the PAC 12.

there are reports that the Pac 12 has already agreed to let Texas keep the LHN as a part of the regional network system the Pac 12 wants to put in place

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[TDenverFan]

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Unfortunately, unless PAC 12 concedes on the LHN (which I don't think they will), UT is not going there. They aren't going to walk away from it for the PAC 12.

I wonder why the PAC-12 dislikes the LHN?

[Tovarich]

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I wonder why the PAC-12 dislikes the LHN?

Because of equal revenue sharing. Texas can't have their own network because the PAC network will be starting next year and everyone is going to share revenue from it. No one will let Texas keep that except the Big 12. Texas would have to turn it into the regional network and share it with Texas Tech and let the PAC network run it.

[TDenverFan]

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Because of equal revenue sharing. Texas can't have their own network because the PAC network will be starting next year and everyone is going to share revenue from it. No one will let Texas keep that except the Big 12. Texas would have to turn it into the regional network and share it with Texas Tech and let the PAC network run it.

I was trying to be sarcastic, but that doesn't carry too well online.

[Tovarich]

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Sorry, there are a lot of people who actually think that everything is wonderful with that thing, and that any conference should allow it because we should all be on our hands and knees begging for Texas to allow us to bask in their presence.

[doom41]

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Ok, so it is ESPN now that is the problem and not Texas. Just want to make sure we are getting to the real root of the problem. Again, Fox having a direct financial interest in Florida is not an issue?

Fox isn't making this deal to everyone. Just saying....

Yes, the fact that ESPN is involved is a bigger deal than the money, and I've already said I don't blame UT for taking advantage of a conference that allows it to do as it pleases. I blame the entire conference for that.

FOX having a direct financial interest in Florida is not as big as ESPN's interest in UT.
1. FOX Sports Florida, shows NBA, NHL & MLB content as well as Big East, ACC & C-USA content and has news shows that cover all Florida based sports teams. While they may have a finacial interest in UF, the network does not live or die based on the success of UF. On the other hand, the LHN is UT 24/7. If UT is not successful then the LHN won't be successful, so ESPN has a financial obligation to do whatever it can to make sure UT is successful. Such as Pumping UT on the other ESPN networks like never before. I've never seen any FOX network pump UF like ESPN is pumping UT.
2. FOX does not have any contracts with the SEC, so there is no possible conflict of interest between FOX, Florida & the SEC. ESPN is under contract for the 1st tier rights of the Big 12-2. So now ESPN has a contractual/financial obligation to pump UT more than any other conference member. That is a Conflict of Interest.
3. FOX pays many schools to have their 3rd tier content shown on FOX regional sports channels all over the country. FOX has no greater interest in UF than they have for any of the number of schools they show on their regional networks, they just paid more for the content, and rightfully so, seeing as how UF has arguably the best Overall Athletic Program in the country. They are the only school besides Stanford to finish in the top 10 of the Directors cup every year, ans the only reason Stanfor is on top every year is because they play field way more teams than any other school. On the flip side ESPN now has a bigger interest in UT being successful than they have for any other school in the country. They have contracts with other conferences, but as long as the games are intriguing ESPN doesn't care who wins those conference. Except for the Big 12-2, ESPN now has a vested interest in seeing UT win the Big 12-2. Again, Conflict of Interest.
4. FOX does not have a single sports centric network carried nation wide on basic subscription packages, ESPN has multiple.

All the UT fans keep saying, "any other school would have taken the deal." And your 100% right, but since you all like to play hypotheticals, if any other school in the Big 12-2 had made this deal with ESPN, UT would be just as unhappy about it.

[doom41]

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A moot point, since OU doesn't have anything like the national following to make such a network a viable proposition.

Neither does UT.
Why do you think that ESPN will not settle for cable and satelite providers to put the LHN on the "Sports Packages"? They can not make their money back if people have a choice to pay extra for it or not.
Heck, the whole HS game, second conference game, and now UTSA games; is all because there is not enough support in the State of TX to get the Big Boy Cable providers to pick it up.
Not only that, I think the ESPN and UT both understimated the negative response that other schools alumni would have to cable providers adding the LHN. There has been a push by pretty much every other alumni base in TX (A&M, Tech, BU, UH, SMU, TCU & even LSU, OU & OSU) to tell their cable providers NOT to pick up the LHN.
Before, you UT guys start preaching everyone is just jealous, stop and think about it. All these other Alumni have just as much pride in their university as you have in yours, and none of them want to think that their money is going support another University besides their own. UT alumni don't go sending money to other schools, why should other schools alumni want to, and for a network that they have no interest in at that.

[doom41]

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there are reports that the Pac 12 has already agreed to let Texas keep the LHN as a part of the regional network system the Pac 12 wants to put in place

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But it would become a Regional network that UT would have to share with another school, probably Tech. UT would also have to put the money from ESPN into the PAC-? pot, to be split among all schools equally.
UT is not ready to let that happen.

[doom41]

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So you don't think if Florida could go national that they wouldn't? So UT is suppossed to say no to this and just go regional? Should Florida have said no to it's third party distribition because Miss St, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, Kentucky have no such power?

Is the LHN a better platform than Sunshine Sports, yeah, but Sunshine Sports is better than Miss St, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky have. So if LHN is only ever picked up in Texas, it is ok?

Again, just trying to understand the double standard that is happening.

No double standard.
FOX Sports Net has many regional networks that are equal platforms to Sunshine Sports/FOX Sports Florida, and Miss St., Ole Miss, Vandy & Kentucky all sell some of their 3rd tier content to their respective FOX Sports regional network. Florida's 3rd tier content is worth more, because Florida's Ath Dept. as a whole is more successful, so Florida gets more for thier content. Florida is not getting any more love on FS-Florida, than OU is gets on FS-Oklahoma, tOSU is gets on FS-Ohio, A&M gets on FS-SW, Bama & LSU get on FS-South, etc...

ESPN, however is not offering to cover the costs and run any other schools Individual network. ESPN, is not pumping every little thing that happens at any other school as "Breaking News" on the scroll across the bottom of the screen.

Go turn on ESPN for an hour and count how many times you see anything UT related vs. what you see related to all other schools combined. Then turn on FOX, not the sunshine network, but the flagship FOX station that is carried by all providers nationaly like ESPN is, and count how often Florida is mentioned vs. all other schools. Then come back and tell me Florida's deal comparable to the LHN.

Should UT have said no to ESPN? NO.
Should every other school in the country, and even more so in the Big 12-2, just be happy and not express their belief that "The World Wide Leader in Sports" being in bed with one individual school is a bad thing not only for the Big 12-2 but for CFB as a whole?

[doom41]

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how did you expect to them set it up? when they formed they had 4 of the top 20 programs in the country and none of the rest even cracked the top 50. The other conferences setup their sharing so far back it wasnt an issue when the big time tv money started up, but the big 12 jumped in the middle of it with 4 national fan bases making all the revenue and 8 others tagging along for the ride.

The Big East didn't start playing Football until 1991, and it was started with realy only 1 national Power (Miami) yet they share their Football revenue evenly.
I would expect them to set it up like a partnership with the goal of creating a strong conference. They did not do that, and we are seeing the results play out now.
I realy don't care how or when it all came together, all I'm saying is if you want to assign blame for what is happening, then you have to assign it to ALL the members who set the conference up from the start, and then allowed it to continue to be run that way.
What is happening now is not UT or the LHN's fault, no matter how bad you might think it is for CFB (and I think it is BAD). It's not NU & CU's fault. It's not A&M or OU's fault. It is NU, CU, KU, KSU, MU, ISU, BU, TT, OU, OSU, A&M & UT's fault.

[taylor34]

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The Big East didn't start playing Football until 1991, and it was started with realy only 1 national Power (Miami) yet they share their Football revenue evenly.
I would expect them to set it up like a partnership with the goal of creating a strong conference. They did not do that, and we are seeing the results play out now.
I realy don't care how or when it all came together, all I'm saying is if you want to assign blame for what is happening, then you have to assign it to ALL the members who set the conference up from the start, and then allowed it to continue to be run that way.
What is happening now is not UT or the LHN's fault, no matter how bad you might think it is for CFB (and I think it is BAD). It's not NU & CU's fault. It's not A&M or OU's fault. It is NU, CU, KU, KSU, MU, ISU, BU, TT, OU, OSU, A&M & UT's fault.

I think if you check the voting records on all this stuff, you'll find a lot of 11-1 votes...basically everyone but Nebraska voting for it. The whole issue with the Big 12 was that when the Big 8 joined up with the 4 teams from Texas, 7 teams from the old Big 8 decided that Texas could just do whatever they wanted, while Nebraska was saying this whole time "WTF guys, what are you doing?". Nebraska/Oklahoma rivalry...gone. Prop 48 athletes...gone. Just a bunch of things that went 11-1 in voting that were basically there to screw Nebraska.

I honestly didn't want to leave the Big 12 as a Nebraska fan, but frankly I lay a lot of the blame on some of the Big 12 North Schools like KU, ISU, K-State, and Missouri. Been together forever, then when we join the Big 12 they decide that what Texas wants is what's best, and what Nebraska wants is total crap. Sticking it to us year after year after year...I think that's why Osborne took the opportunity to leave when Missouri started the whole leaving the conference thing last year. Then all of sudden KU, KSU, ISU, etc were begging us to stay...it's like throwing dirt in the face of your best friend over and over and over, then wondering why he doesn't want to be your best friend anymore. Kind of sad honestly. I think if the original Big 8 schools could have looked forward 15 years when they formed the conference, things would have turned out a lot differently.

Anyhow, that's my take on the whole thing. I don't care what happens, other than I hope that Texas is left out in the cold. I do hope that KU, KSU, ISU, and Missouri are able to find a good conference home, honestly I wish that they could be brought into the Big 10 but that will never happen. Perhaps at least we could play them in the non-con again in the future. I'd really like to play Oklahoma annually again, perhaps if OU/Texas have a fallout Nebraska could jump in there.

[DonkeyJote]

how did you expect to them set it up? when they formed they had 4 of the top 20 programs in the country and none of the rest even cracked the top 50. The other conferences setup their sharing so far back it wasnt an issue when the big time tv money started up, but the big 12 jumped in the middle of it with 4 national fan bases making all the revenue and 8 others tagging along for the ride.

The Pac 12 actually only set up equal revenue sharing in the last year. They were unequal before, and decided it was in the best interest of the conference to share equally.

Look at pro sports. The most successful league happens to be the one with the most equal revenue sharing (NFL). Not a coincidence

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[TheGamingChef]

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Prop 48 athletes...gone. Just a bunch of things that went 11-1 in voting that were basically there to screw Nebraska.

I honestly didn't want to leave the Big 12 as a Nebraska fan, but frankly I lay a lot of the blame on some of the Big 12 North Schools like KU, ISU, K-State, and Missouri. Been together forever, then when we join the Big 12 they decide that what Texas wants is what's best, and what Nebraska wants is total crap. Sticking it to us year after year after year...

1) Prop 48 athletes were gone because everyone else wanted academic standards in the Big 12. Except Nebraska.

2) Do some research into the voting on equal revenue sharing. Then go look at what Osbourne has been saying since you joined the Big 10. Truly an embarrassment to Nebraska, with such blatantly transparent excuses. If you're going to do something, defend it.