Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[nortobc]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

example please



money

Nebraska going 1-9 against Texas and not being able to compete enough might have had something to do with it, but the main reason is more money

Texas didnt force the Huskers to fire Solich, hire coaches like Callahan, or run their program like crap in the 2000s...but I guess someone has to be blamed for Nebraska's fall to irrelevance

Give me a break. Texas has ruled the Big 12 since it's inception with an iron fence. Teams want a voice in the conference, not a dictatorship. You know the real reason why Texas will never join the SEC? Because they know they won't control the conference. They will have alot of power if they join the ACC.

[rspencer86]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

It would be stable for now. But Missouri wants out. The conference is far from stable. Say next summer, Missouri gets an invite to the SEC. Then Oklahoma has to go through all of this again. They'd be dumb not to explore their options

Missouri doesn't want out, they want stability. If the current teams can come together and sign their names in blood they are committed to this league, Mizzou would be happy to stay.

Sure the SEC is prestigious football wise, but I just don't think it's a good fit for Mizzou. Missourian's fervent inferiority complex would not mesh well with the confident arrogance of SEC. Plus, I think every school wants to be in a place where they can compete for championships. Mizzou has a better shot of doing that in the Big 12 than in the SEC, especially in football. I think Mizzou could be competitive like Arkansas has become, but they probably wouldn't ever be a consistent top-tier program.

[DonkeyJote]

Missouri doesn't want out, they want stability. If the current teams can come together and sign their names in blood they are committed to this league, Mizzou would be happy to stay.

Sure the SEC is prestigious football wise, but I just don't think it's a good fit for Mizzou. Missourian's fervent inferiority complex would not mesh well with the confident arrogance of SEC. Plus, I think every school wants to be in a place where they can compete for championships. Mizzou has a better shot of doing that in the Big 12 than in the SEC, especially in football. I think Mizzou could be competitive like Arkansas has become, but they probably wouldn't ever be a consistent top-tier program.

Missouri wanting out is what started all this stuff last year.

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[ZB9]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

Give me a break. Texas has ruled the Big 12 since it's inception with an iron fence. Teams want a voice in the conference, not a dictatorship. You know the real reason why Texas will never join the SEC? Because they know they won't control the conference. They will have alot of power if they join the ACC.

again, give an example of how they were dictators

surely you can give at least one

[lilbiggio]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

The biggest example is the $300 million dollar elephant in the room.


But even if we didn't go there, it's pretty obvious that the Big 12 centers around 2 or 3 teams, with one team being a central force. When said team threatens to leave the conference, that's going to stir up a pot. When said team threatens to not play a team with a 100 year rivalry if they don't latch up and do whatever they do, that's going to cause a problem.

A dictatorship? Probably would have chosen a less strong word, but let's not play like UT isn't or hasn't pushed it's "Flagship School of Texas" brand around in this nonsense. Or that the LH Network has not expediated these concerns of a conference meltdown. There is an uneven balance in the Big 12, and UT is one of the winners when things are good, but when things are bad, they must take an equally large role in the blame.

[Marino]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

I will say as an ACC guy...I will welcome all Texas players, students and fans in with open arms.

[acts238shaun]

Re: Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

How Baylor/SEC issue was resolved:

Spoiler

[doom41]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

give at least one example

It's not UT's fault (and I'm and Aggie), but they must share in the blame with ALL Big XII members. They all set the conference up with a business model that benefited a few schools more than the rest.
UT fans contue to point out that the other schools voted for the unequal revenue sharing, and they're right, but that doesn't change the fact that it is the biggest reason that the conference is falling apart. UT just happened to be the one who benefited from it the most.
The problem with the uneven revenue sharing isn't just the difference in $, it is that it helps keep the top teams on top and the bottom teams on bottom. Sure there are other factors that contribute: recruiting, coaching, fan/alumni support etc..., but the way that the conference distributes money shouldn't be one of the factor's in who the top teams are. All that does is breed contempt and split the members apart, as we are seeing in the Big XII. The argument that teams are leaving because they can't compete is partially right, however it is because the business model has allowed the competitive ballance to get so far out of wack.

Before, anyone starts preaching capitalism vs. socialism, conferences are not Government entities, they are businesses. Partnerships to be exact. The goal of any conference/partnership should be for every member to be successfull/compete for championships.

Look at the Big XII champions:
* In the first 15 yrs there were 7 diff champions.
* In the first 6 yrs there were 5 diff champions.
* In the next 9 yrs there were 3 diff champions.
* In the last 7 yrs there were 2 diff champions.

Now lets look at the other 3 top conferences over the same time.

SEC: Last 15 yrs - 6 diff champs, first 6 yrs - 5 diff champs, last 9 yrs - 5 diff champs, last 7 yrs - 5 diff champs.

B1G: Last 15 yrs - 9 diff champs, first 6 yrs - 6 diff champs, last 9 yrs - 6 diff champs, last 7 yrs - 6 diff champs.

PAC: Last 15 yrs - 10 diff champs, first 6 yrs - 7 diff champs, last 9 yrs - 5 diff champs, last 7 yrs - 4 diff champs.

ACC: Last 15 yrs - 6 diff champs, first 6 yrs - 4 diff champs, last 9 yrs - 4 diff champs, last 7 yrs - 4 diff champs.

Big East: Last 15 yrs - 10 diff champs, first 6 yrs - 3 diff champs, last 9 yrs - 8 diff champs, last 7 yrs - 7 diff champs.

(Some #'s are a little off b/c of conference co-champs some yrs.)

Now tell me, is the Big XII doing a good job of getting all of it's members to be successful, or is it just proping up 2 of its 12 now 10 members?

It only took 8 yrs for the conference to go from a relatively competitive conference, to a top heavy conference with only two teams regularly competing for the championship. While every other conference has been able to keep more schools competing for championships every year.

This is why the conference is dying. It's not OU's, UT's, A&M's, NU's or any one elses fault. It is the entire Big XII conferences' fault.

[ZB9]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

The biggest example is the $300 million dollar elephant in the room.

perhaps UT should have turned the deal down so as not to make their rivals jealous

Texas hasnt broken one rule and the ironic thing is that OU didnt vote against individual program networks when it was proposed a couple of years ago...reason being, OU has been talking about starting a network themselves.

Btw, do you know the first program in the big 12 to start their own network (hint: it's not UT)

[untrugby]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

They all set the conference up with a business model that benefited a few schools more than the rest.

what do you expect? the other conferences have been around a lot longer and the big 12 was a mix of 2 conferences where you had 2 long time top teams in each and junk around them.

[choadler]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

Give me a break. Texas has ruled the Big 12 since it's inception with an iron fence. Teams want a voice in the conference, not a dictatorship. You know the real reason why Texas will never join the SEC? Because they know they won't control the conference. They will have alot of power if they join the ACC.

How has Texas ruled the conference. Give one expample. Last time I checked each team had one vote. Last time I checked Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas A&M all voted for unequal revenue sharing. Last time I checked Nebraska was one of the only schools to not vote for getting rid of partial qualifiers.

If you don't know what was really going on in the conference, then don't parrot what other people would lead you to believe.

Nebraska left because they were getting $20M in the Big 10 and around $9M in the Big 12. Follow the money and you will have your answer. It really isn't difficult to understand.

[doom41]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

what do you expect? the other conferences have been around a lot longer and the big 12 was a mix of 2 conferences where you had 2 long time top teams in each and junk around them.

What 2 teams are you refering to?

[lonewolf371]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

What 2 teams are you refering to?

I assume he means Nebraska/Oklahoma from the Big 8 and Texas/TAMU from the Southwest.

[lilbiggio]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

perhaps UT should have turned the deal down so as not to make their rivals jealous

Texas hasnt broken one rule and the ironic thing is that OU didnt vote against individual program networks when it was proposed a couple of years ago...reason being, OU has been talking about starting a network themselves.

Btw, do you know the first program in the big 12 to start their own network (hint: it's not UT)

No one is saying Texas is breaking the law. You asked one example of Texas showing it's power. Showing that it controls the Big 12 in someway. That is a legitimate argument.

The Longhorn Network is one of the big reasons UT came back to the Big 12 last season. In an effort to keep the conference together they bullied the other teams into accepting the fact that the cash cows of the conference would need it's own personalized network(s).

If the Big 12 had done it right, they'd have negated the deal seeing that it would give one team too much exposure over the others. But they couldn't do that. Why? Because they decided long ago it was better for the conference to stay together at whatever costs, than to split apart and the have not's be left in the cold. Which is what is playing out as we speak right now..

You want to be on the level of the SEC you promote the whole. You raise up the weakest links. You don't pimp out the the top draw and leave the bottom to decay. I think the guy said it best earlier. All the teams contributed their fair share in killing the conference. But the Longhorn Network is like the cherry on top to me. It is a symbol of what has become of the Big 12. It might be making them a ton of money, it might be helping them set themselves up for the not so distant future.. but to me it was a power play. It was a move that reeks of we don't need the Big 12 unless we can benefit from it and twist it to meet our needs, or we'll leave because we're Texas we have our own network and nationwide following.

That's why I said what I said about the ACC needing to stay away from UT. It does nothing for them and it does nothing to bring up their lower teams. Sure it might add a good football team at the top, but then you run into the situation that the Big 12 is in with the same teams winning over and over and a loss of partity. It be more beneficial to secure the Big East first bringing in multiple teams on your level in both major sports, and leave the Texas sweepstakes for another day.

[coogrfan]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

perhaps UT should have turned the deal down so as not to make their rivals jealous

Perhaps they should. It's not like the Horns were hurting for money.

The almost certain death of the Big XII is going to force UT to choose between joining another conference (and thereby giving up the "most favored nation" status it has enjoyed in the SWC/Big 12) or going it alone, with all of the complications that entails.

"Penny wise, pound foolish" indeed.