Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[Jr.]

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The real reason for no playoffs is they'd have to be competing directly with the NFL playoffs. That's why it won't happen, and that's why BCS games are typically on week nights. The only way a playoff works is if they play less regular season games, and I don't see that happening.

The college football regular season is over the 1st week of December. The NFL playoffs start in January. Any college football playoffs would between the middle of December and the first week of January, so they wouldn't conflict with each other.

[Jr.]

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You make some good points, the only thing that hampers this is I think there will be intervention by the government if 4 superconferences form and there is a playoff excluding the remaining 40 some odd teams. As lame as the BCS is, it still is inclusive of the mid major teams like Boise and TCU to an extent and has delayed government intervention. So I think the presidents will continue with the BCS as it gives the appearance (however, slight that may be) that a team in a non AQ conference has the opportunity be apart of the BCS bowls. Technically, any team could rise up and be the next Boise.

That's why I think the 4 superconferences will either form a new division (so there will be something like the Superconference Division, FBS, and FCS) or they will disband from the NCAA altogether in order to avoid any government regulation/anti-trust issues.

They wouldn't be able to do a playoff if they remained in the FBS because, like you said, they would have to ensure that every school in the FBS has an "opportunity" to play for the championship.

[DonkeyJote]

The college football regular season is over the 1st week of December. The NFL playoffs start in January. Any college football playoffs would between the middle of December and the first week of January, so they wouldn't conflict with each other.

If you think a playoff would start first week in December, completely overshadowing any bowl games, your nuts.

Not to mention, OoC games would become glorified preseason games where the winner doesn't matter. The regular season of college football would be screwed up. College Football is the only sport where the regular season is as exciting, if not more so, than the post season. That's what makes it unique. A playoff could make it like college basketball, where you trade an entire regular season of meaningless games for a great postseason.

People complain about tradition going by the wayside, and then turn around and want to blow up the bowl system that makes College Football so unique.

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[Perfect Zero]

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I understand that many of the fans of the sport want playoffs, and that's fine. However, if the fans really dictated the flow of the sport, playoffs would have been put into the game decades ago and the idea of superconferences wouldn't have ever formed. Fans vote with their hearts more than with their wallets in NCAA football. Most people who follow the sport have a school that they went to and they cheer for it to succeed through good times and bad. That's why you can't look at it from their perspective; the real movement comes from the college presidents and from what they feel or believe.

[Bondgirl0072]

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College Football should have a playoff system.

[Jr.]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

If you think a playoff would start first week in December, completely overshadowing any bowl games, your nuts.

Not to mention, OoC games would become glorified preseason games where the winner doesn't matter. The regular season of college football would be screwed up. College Football is the only sport where the regular season is as exciting, if not more so, than the post season. That's what makes it unique. A playoff could make it like college basketball, where you trade an entire regular season of meaningless games for a great postseason.

People complain about tradition going by the wayside, and then turn around and want to blow up the bowl system that makes College Football so unique.

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Have you seen the ratings for the bowls outside of the major ones? The only people that are watching the smaller bowls are fans of the teams playing, and diehard college football fans.http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4819384

Playoff games would be held on the weekends, bowl games during the week. Diehards and fans of the teams playing would still watch all of the games. The Armed Forces Bowl would get the same crowd at the game, and the same number watching on TV.

Yes, those OOC games would be like glorified exhibition games. People would still watch them and attend them. Conference games would still mean just as much. The Michigan/OSU game would mean just as much if a spot in the playoffs was on the line, maybe even more. The last time that game meant anything for both teams was the classic in '06. If anything it would make MORE of the games matter because there is more of an opportunity for each team to make the playoffs even if they have a couple of losses. If neither team was in line for the playoffs, it would still mean everything to those fans, which is how it works now. I really don't think much would change.

Yes there is a risk where an undefeated team rests some starters in a rivalry game at the end of the year, just like some NFL teams do at the end of their season. As a fan, I'd rather have that with a championship won on the field.

[Jr.]

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I understand that many of the fans of the sport want playoffs, and that's fine. However, if the fans really dictated the flow of the sport, playoffs would have been put into the game decades ago and the idea of superconferences wouldn't have ever formed. Fans vote with their hearts more than with their wallets in NCAA football. Most people who follow the sport have a school that they went to and they cheer for it to succeed through good times and bad. That's why you can't look at it from their perspective; the real movement comes from the college presidents and from what they feel or believe.

Re-read what I've been writing about. I'm talking about MONEY. That is what is on the mind of the university presidents. The NCAA basketball playoff brings in $770 million per year in TV money. I would venture to say that a college football playoff would go for much more than that. I can't guess exact numbers, but I would think somewhere in the $1 billion range.

Again, this is predicated on the superconferences either forming their own division or disbanding from the NCAA so they don't have to share any of that money. I think that will happen.

It doesn't matter what the fans want, it matters what is going to make the schools the most money. A playoff will do that

[choadler]

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Ha, we sure remembered how last year, didn't we? Especially when we played Texas.

Yes you sure did and you may win this year, however tradition is built on a couple of years.

[DonkeyJote]

Ratings would drop for college football with a playoff. You think anyone is going to watch exhibitions. The NFL is king in this country, and no one watches NFL preseason games.

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[Jr.]

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Ratings would drop for college football with a playoff. You think anyone is going to watch exhibitions. The NFL is king in this country, and no one watches NFL preseason games.

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I think plenty of people would want to watch Oklahoma/Ohio State, USC/Alabama, etc. if those games are scheduled.

Who's watching Ohio State/Toledo right now? Maybe with a new Superconference Division, that game becomes Ohio State/West Virginia. I think ratings for that game would be higher than ratings for this OSU/Toledo game.

[lonewolf371]

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I think plenty of people would want to watch Oklahoma/Ohio State, USC/Alabama, etc. if those games are scheduled.

Who's watching Ohio State/Toledo right now? Maybe with a new Superconference Division, that game becomes Ohio State/West Virginia. I think ratings for that game would be higher than ratings for this OSU/Toledo game.

I'm watching tOSU/Toledo.

[mercalnd]

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I think plenty of people would want to watch Oklahoma/Ohio State, USC/Alabama, etc. if those games are scheduled.

Who's watching Ohio State/Toledo right now? Maybe with a new Superconference Division, that game becomes Ohio State/West Virginia. I think ratings for that game would be higher than ratings for this OSU/Toledo game.

Agreed. Plus, if you go with an 8 team playoff with 4 winners of superconferences and 4 at-large spots then it becomes beneficial to schedule good teams OOC to help your case should you come up short in conference play.

People like to use NCAA hoops as an example to say the regular season would become meaningless but I don't think it's a good example because there are much more games in a season and there are too many teams making the tournament. With a 12 game schedule to prove yourself and only 4 at large spots available I don't see how we would get in a situation where games are meaningless.

[DonkeyJote]

I think plenty of people would want to watch Oklahoma/Ohio State, USC/Alabama, etc. if those games are scheduled.

Who's watching Ohio State/Toledo right now? Maybe with a new Superconference Division, that game becomes Ohio State/West Virginia. I think ratings for that game would be higher than ratings for this OSU/Toledo game.

If it's two from each conference, and those games mean nothing, they aren't going to be playing starters all game. No one wants to watch games that don't count.

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[Jr.]

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If it's two from each conference, and those games mean nothing, they aren't going to be playing starters all game. No one wants to watch games that don't count.

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That's a fair point. Maybe mercalnd's idea of 4 champions and 4 at-larges would be better. That way, OOC games are still very important.

[Cardot]

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You could still leave the BCS mechanism in place to rank the 4 conference winners. The higher seeds host the semi-finals games. That way OOC games carry some weight, but don't eliminate you if you lose.

And yes, of course there will be some controversy and debate when a voting system is involved. But IMO, a debate for home field advantage isn't on par with an undefeated team not even having an opportunity to take the field.