FSU was supposed to save the ACC instead it's killing it.

[1GATOR FAN]

UF isn't scared about playing FSU(although given their OOC schedules they probably actually are), they are scared of FSU being in the same conference as them.

UF would see a drop in some of the top recruits in FL because some of those guys want to only play in the SEC, which FSU can't offer.

From a pure $$ aspect, adding FSU would have been the best option for the SEC. Given their national audience, sealing up the rest of FL as mentioned, and all the more interesting matchup it creates for television(FSU vs. LSU/Bama/UGA,etc. are much better must watch games on CBS or whatever then Mizzou/A&M playing the SEC)

Nahh the head of the SEC must have seen something that was better than FSU or they would have done it. They wouldn't have stopped because some teams said no they lose a few recruits because we would lose the line "We play in the SEC" (If they even said that)

It was about adding new states from what I heard not adding one they already had revenue in I heard many times anyway

Your making it out to be a Florida vs FSU deal when it has little to do with it. It was money and the head guys obliviously saw a better option and took it simple as that

[Mo]

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lol at a Gator fan posting this.....well since we are throwing out baseless opinions in here, The SEC would take FSU over UF as a member ten times out of ten.

[p_rushing]

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Nahh the head of the SEC must have seen something that was better than FSU or they would have done it. They wouldn't have stopped because some teams said no they lose a few recruits because we would lose the line "We play in the SEC" (If they even said that)

It was about adding new states from what I heard not adding one they already had revenue in I heard many times anyway

Your making it out to be a Florida vs FSU deal when it has little to do with it. It was money and the head guys obliviously saw a better option and took it simple as that

The article you posted was written by a gator writing about FSU. There are very few UF grads who can be unbiased when talking about FSU.

You don't know the voting rules of the SEC for expanding. The 3 teams I mentioned had enough votes to stop FSU, GaTech, and Clemson from being options for expansion. There is no way that those schools wanted to allow another school in their state to steal recruits because they would lose the SEC advantage.

FSU is already back to out recruiting UF once BB, who was doing nothing, was replaced. UF is truly does use the SEC a lot in recruiting.

The head guys saw that the only way they could expand was to add mediocre teams in new markets. The SEC did not become better by adding those 2 teams, they became more watered down than before. Now they have 2 more teams that the top teams should always beat and those 2 teams won't realistically challenge for the division.

[MrClemson]

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FSU shouldn't even think about going to the Big 12 if they can't handle the ACC. The SEC is totally out of the picture.

They're always hyped up because people want them to be good. They just don't have it anymore.

Since VT lost 8 starters on offense and several on defense, truly the only team right now, with SEC-type talent is, let's be honest here, and I'm not just saying this, its Clemson. They're defense is on the way up and they have a top notch offense, which includes, if not the best one of the best WR's in Sammy Watkins and overall receiving core with DeAndre Hopkins, Juran Brown, etc.

So if you plan on seeing a team from the ACC jump ship to the SEC, most likely, it'll be Clemson. Besides, the SEC has invited Clemson several times in the past.

[p_rushing]

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FSU shouldn't even think about going to the Big 12 if they can't handle the ACC. The SEC is totally out of the picture.

What does everyone not understand about this? It doesn't matter how many games FSU wins or if they ever when the ACC or Big 12 or SEC. If FSU stays in the ACC, they will be losing a minimum of 7-8 million per year, even if they go 0-12 every year.

Winning a conference doesn't matter as staying in the ACC will cost too much money and they won't be able to compete with the other conferences. Plus if they stay in the ACC and win it, what will it matter if they are left out of the playoffs?

The ACC is finished unless ND is added, that won't happen. Swofford is to blame and while FSU has had its problems and not helped the conference recently, no one else has done anything to carry it.

[kehlis]

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Nahh the head of the SEC must have seen something that was better than FSU or they would have done it. They wouldn't have stopped because some teams said no they lose a few recruits because we would lose the line "We play in the SEC" (If they even said that)

It was about adding new states from what I heard not adding one they already had revenue in I heard many times anyway

Your making it out to be a Florida vs FSU deal when it has little to do with it. It was money and the head guys obliviously saw a better option and took it simple as that

No one is claiming one program is better than the other. It's all about recruiting. Even the most logical Florida fan doesn't want FSU in the SEC.

It's a no win situation for them. As you mentioned earlier, they still play every year (I have no idea what point you were trying to make with that).

[Chrisksaint]

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Clemson has more of a resume to move to the SEC(or the Big 12 for that matter) then FSU? Now i've heard it all.

They've produced on the field just as much as FSU has on the field as of late(FSU blows them out of the water if we include history), and can't compare to the fan base, $$, etc. FSU has.

These conferences are not looking at who is good right now talent wise, it's everything else.

Also Clemson may have the SEC speed on offense, but FSU has the SEC defense so that point of your argument is invalid.

[Blaxican8504]

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His logic is flawed. You cannot blame Florida State for killing the ACC because they have been a bad team for the last decade. Because if you do that, you have ask yourself what the rest of the ACC was doing when Florida State was dominating during the 90s. None of the other members stepped up then, just as none have stepped up now.

The fact of the matter is that very few of the schools in the ACC care enough about their football programs to invest the resources that would be needed to build them up. Florida State is a football school in an Olympic sport conference. That's fine for the other sports, but this is the dawn of a new age in college football. With the television deals approaching astronomical numbers, Florida State will be missing out on that money because nobody wants to watch any of the teams in the ACC play. And with the new playoff system on the horizon, the ACC's conference will be so weak that they will always be on the outside looking in.

The ACC killed itself.

[lonewolf371]

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His logic is flawed. You cannot blame Florida State for killing the ACC because they have been a bad team for the last decade. Because if you do that, you have ask yourself what the rest of the ACC was doing when Florida State was dominating during the 90s. None of the other members stepped up then, just as none have stepped up now.

The fact of the matter is that very few of the schools in the ACC care enough about their football programs to invest the resources that would be needed to build them up. Florida State is a football school in an Olympic sport conference. That's fine for the other sports, but this is the dawn of a new age in college football. With the television deals approaching astronomical numbers, Florida State will be missing out on that money because nobody wants to watch any of the teams in the ACC play. And with the new playoff system on the horizon, the ACC's conference will be so weak that they will always be on the outside looking in.

The ACC killed itself.

Building a football program isn't about "investing in it". Most of the big programs around the country were built up during a period of success when they struck gold with a great coach.

And FSU would be killing the ACC in some sense if they left it since FSU is the ACC's highest revenue team no matter what record they have. However, I agree that the ACC is killing themselves even more with that silly TV deal they just signed.

[1GATOR FAN]

What does everyone not understand about this? It doesn't matter how many games FSU wins or if they ever when the ACC or Big 12 or SEC. If FSU stays in the ACC, they will be losing a minimum of 7-8 million per year, even if they go 0-12 every year.

Winning a conference doesn't matter as staying in the ACC will cost too much money and they won't be able to compete with the other conferences. Plus if they stay in the ACC and win it, what will it matter if they are left out of the playoffs?

The ACC is finished unless ND is added, that won't happen. Swofford is to blame and while FSU has had its problems and not helped the conference recently, no one else has done anything to carry it.

I think what he was trying to say was if FSU can't even win a title while in the lonely ACC then they sure couldn't do it in a much better conference. And if you won a National title here and there in that the ACC wouldn't that make up for the money lost? Rather than slimming your chances even more in another conference and hardly winning a title at all?

Plus I would bet anything that if the ACC happen to stay put and FSU was undefeated when the play off games were in place they would not be left out.

But on topic it FSU did not help the conference as didnt others but FSU was supposed to be the head of the pack to keep it afloat...

P.S. you also said FSU has out recruited Florida since BB left but it has been pretty dead even

Year UF FSU
2008 12 8
2009 21 18
2010 1 9
2011 26 1
2012 5 11
2013 6 14
AVG 11.8 10.2

[1GATOR FAN]

Also if I remember right before the SEC added Arkansas and USC they asked FSU and UM to join as the 11th and 12th teams but both declined.

I could be wrong though as I was to young then. Only heard and read things here and there about it...

[MrClemson]

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For once I get to say a Florida fan understood me. Anyway, it would to matter if they were going 0-12 every year in places like the big 12 or anywhere for that matter, they would lose TONS of fans, TV contracts, advertising, still have to pay to go to games like Iowa State and Nebraska every year, and on top of that they would have to pay the ACC exit fee. (Which is ridiculously high at $20 million) lose all sports credibility, academic credibility would take a hit too because some athletes are very smart.

So FSU, it's either stay in the ACC or just totally die trying to get like $8 million a year more.

Get rich or die trying... Literally.

[Hooe]

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The fact of the matter is that very few of the schools in the ACC care enough about their football programs to invest the resources that would be needed to build them up. Florida State is a football school in an Olympic sport conference. That's fine for the other sports, but this is the dawn of a new age in college football. With the television deals approaching astronomical numbers, Florida State will be missing out on that money because nobody wants to watch any of the teams in the ACC play. And with the new playoff system on the horizon, the ACC's conference will be so weak that they will always be on the outside looking in.

The ACC killed itself.

Explain the purpose of the ACC expansion effort in 2000s.

Explain all the money Virginia is pouring into its football program and the new indoor practice facility they are constructing. Explain why Virginia hired an NFL coach with a Super Bowl ring at the turn of the century and made him the highest paid public employee in the state.

Explain North Carolina hiring Butch Davis, a coach with national championship pedigree, and cheating their way around the block.

Explain Virginia Tech's entire athletic existence.

Explain why Miami has adopted "It's all about Da U" as the advertising slogan for their undergraduate college.

Explain Clemson's proposed $50 athletics improvement plan announced in 2011.

Explain the stadium renovations at Georgia Tech in 2003 and 2009.

Explain the $6M+ scoreboard project NC State completed in 2011.

These schools in the ACC haven't stepped up with regard to on-the-field performance, and the ACC still has a deserved reputation as a basketball conference, but that hasn't been for lack of effort investing in football.

[Hooe]

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Since VT lost 8 starters on offense and several on defense, truly the only team right now, with SEC-type talent is, let's be honest here, and I'm not just saying this, its Clemson. They're defense is on the way up and they have a top notch offense, which includes, if not the best one of the best WR's in Sammy Watkins and overall receiving core with DeAndre Hopkins, Juran Brown, etc.

So if you plan on seeing a team from the ACC jump ship to the SEC, most likely, it'll be Clemson. Besides, the SEC has invited Clemson several times in the past.

Virginia Tech has the best team in the conference until consistently proven otherwise. They are the only team proven to be capable of reloading rather than rebuilding. It helps that they also likely have the best quarterback in the conference in Logan Thomas, albeit the league actually has a large number of good starting quarterbacks right now.

[Marino]

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