FSU was supposed to save the ACC instead it's killing it.

[lonewolf371]

Re: FSU was supposed to save the ACC instead it's killing it.

Can you explain why you feel yards are important than scoring? Scoring is how you win, not by gaining yards.

Because scoring is more variable. A team can rack up a ton of points by getting lucky with turnovers and such and getting good field position, but if they run up against another team that doesn't turn the ball over and has good special teams they may not be able to do anything. Yardage gives a better indication of the offense's ability to move the ball. It's still not perfect, because some teams move the ball a lot but don't have the muscle to punch it in, but yardage is definitely better than scoring.

An interesting example is LSU. LSU's offense last year was 17th in scoring while USC was 16th. Looking at that, I might say that LSU's 2011 offense was about as good as USC's. I think most people would say that that is completely wrong; USC was loaded with offensive talent, particularly at quarterback and wide receiver, while LSU wasn't. Go over to yardage and USC was 21st while LSU was 86th. I think that is much more reflective of the quality of each offense.

[Chrisksaint]

Re: FSU was supposed to save the ACC instead it's killing it.

That's one good example, but there's plenty of factors to look at.

The type of offense(running vs. spread), the type of offense that racks up yardage in garbage time or just turns it over,etc.

[elijah53johnston]

Re: FSU was supposed to save the ACC instead it's killing it.

Because scoring is more variable. A team can rack up a ton of points by getting lucky with turnovers and such and getting good field position, but if they run up against another team that doesn't turn the ball over and has good special teams they may not be able to do anything. Yardage gives a better indication of the offense's ability to move the ball. It's still not perfect, because some teams move the ball a lot but don't have the muscle to punch it in, but yardage is definitely better than scoring.

An interesting example is LSU. LSU's offense last year was 17th in scoring while USC was 16th. Looking at that, I might say that LSU's 2011 offense was about as good as USC's. I think most people would say that that is completely wrong; USC was loaded with offensive talent, particularly at quarterback and wide receiver, while LSU wasn't. Go over to yardage and USC was 21st while LSU was 86th. I think that is much more reflective of the quality of each offense.

I understand your thinking, but what about the team that moves the ball for a ton of yards but then fails to punch it in and has to kick a field goal or turns the ball over. Nevada was sixth in yards but 35th in scoring.

[lonewolf371]

Re: FSU was supposed to save the ACC instead it's killing it.

I understand your thinking, but what about the team that moves the ball for a ton of yards but then fails to punch it in and has to kick a field goal or turns the ball over. Nevada was sixth in yards but 35th in scoring.

I already mentioned that and said yards aren't perfect, but they're wrong less often than scoring. I don't see how your point completely disproved mine; both metrics say that Nevada has a good-to-great offense.

That's one good example, but there's plenty of factors to look at.

The type of offense(running vs. spread), the type of offense that racks up yardage in garbage time or just turns it over,etc.

There is stuff to look at but scoring is more confounding than yardage. What does type of offense have to do with it? Some offense types are better than others; that's why no one runs the Wishbone any more. As for garbage time; yeah it's present but I think most teams spend their time playing meaningful games. Generally yardage is confounded less by those factors than scoring.

[1GATOR FAN]

This sure went far off topic lol

[Chrisksaint]

Re: FSU was supposed to save the ACC instead it's killing it.

Yardage has less factors then scoring? Sure you may have the factors of what teams you're playing,etc. but that's about it.

You can have inflated yards, by the same factors of playing certain teams as mentioned. Then throw in yardage that doesn't end in a scores, a team with a dominant defense(more opportunities, but generally less field to work with), up tempo offenses,etc.

I mean they all can factor into both stats, but to me yardage only matters if you then include scoring. Otherwise based off scoring/yardage alone I'm only going to care if a team is scoring.

Now I guess we should get back on topic lol

[lonewolf371]

Re: FSU was supposed to save the ACC instead it's killing it.

Scoring has less factors then scoring? Sure you may have the factors of what teams you're playing,etc. but that's about it.

You can have inflated yards, by the same factors of playing certain teams as mentioned. Then throw in yardage that doesn't end in a scores, a team with a dominant defense(more opportunities, but generally less field to work with), up tempo offenses,etc.

I mean they all can factor into both stats, but to me yardage only matters if you then include scoring. Otherwise based off scoring/yardage alone I'm only going to care if a team is scoring.

Now I guess we should get back on topic lol

Just my personal opinion after having watched a lot of football over the years and I happen to disagree with you. It doesn't have to be your opinion, hah.

[MrClemson]

Re: FSU was supposed to save the ACC instead it's killing it.

To get back on topic, FSU is making everyone think the ACC is about to dissolve when it probably not going to.

[1GATOR FAN]

The conference is dying though compared to the others that are getting that much stronger....

What I don't get is how FSU is begging for help to get out but when nobody comes to the rescue it turns into a "well you we're to scared of us anyway"

[Chrisksaint]

Re: FSU was supposed to save the ACC instead it's killing it.

The conference is dying though compared to the others that are getting that much stronger....

What I don't get is how FSU is begging for help to get out but when nobody comes to the rescue it turns into a "well you we're to scared of us anyway"

What I don't get is how you're getting all these assumptions

[lonewolf371]

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What I don't get is how you're getting all these assumptions

Yeah, I don't know where that one came from.

[Hooe]

Re: FSU was supposed to save the ACC instead it's killing it.

The conference is dying though compared to the others that are getting that much stronger...

The ACC has been more aggressive with regard to expansion than any other conference. They add Syracuse and Pittsburgh next year, which will solidify the league's desire for a strong presence in the northeast. Bringing in Boston College alone in the mid-2000s obviously wasn't going to accomplish this, but it helps.

The conference can't be but so weak, given that.

[lonewolf371]

Re: FSU was supposed to save the ACC instead it's killing it.

The ACC has been more aggressive with regard to expansion than any other conference. They add Syracuse and Pittsburgh next year, which will solidify the league's desire for a strong presence in the northeast. Bringing in Boston College alone in the mid-2000s obviously wasn't going to accomplish this, but it helps.

The conference can't be but so weak, given that.

Well it all keys on football money. I put together data and made a thread on conference income a few months ago and the ACC came out fifth. I guess the main problem isn't that they're behind right now, but that they're projected to be by far behind in the future with TV revenue exploding in the next few years for the other conferences. FSU would be left behind. Even now, FSU would only be sixth in Big Ten revenue and eighth in SEC revenue; they feel like they're a nationally-relevant program and they don't want to be left behind like that, which is what the ACC is giving them right now.

[The GIGGAS]

Re: FSU was supposed to save the ACC instead it's killing it.

...I'm talking way too much about the stupid Hokies. Giggas would be proud.

I know this is an older post, but I am. Now we just gotta get you over to the correct side of the state.

[p_rushing]

Re: FSU was supposed to save the ACC instead it's killing it.

The ACC has been more aggressive with regard to expansion than any other conference. They add Syracuse and Pittsburgh next year, which will solidify the league's desire for a strong presence in the northeast. Bringing in Boston College alone in the mid-2000s obviously wasn't going to accomplish this, but it helps.

The conference can't be but so weak, given that.

That is the problem. Swofford did not expand for Football, he expanded for Basketball and Market Size. Market Size doesn't matter if no one is watching any of your football games.

Swofford himself said that basketball accounts for less than 20% of the new TV deal. If the football schools leave, can Duke, UNC, and SU basketball survive on $3.4 million? I don't think so.

Unless Swofford and the rest of the non-football schools get with the program and put football first, the conference will not exist. The way Swofford negotiated the TV deal, it won't matter if an ACC team wins the next 10 BCS championships. He locked them in so far into the future with this crappy deal.