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[jeebs9]

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Part of me doesn't understand how some of you are calling it dramatic or it's silly. If they had circumstantial evidence. I would be with you guys. The entire CMU thing is a huge joke. They can't confirm it's him. But some of this other stuff is literally breaking the rule. Is everyone doing it? Probably. But I haven't seen any blatant evidence that says otherwise. They got video, money transactions and the guy confessing. What else do y'all need?

Is it the type of cheating that's silly? Do you think it doesn't make a different what they did was wrong? They still would of won all these games the last 3 years? I'm just trying to understand.

[kehlis]

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Is everyone doing it? Probably.

Answered your own question here.


Not to mention that it's every teams fault if they aren't changing up the meaning of each card weekly.

[jeebs9]

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Answered your own question here.





Not to mention that it's every teams fault if they aren't changing up the meaning of each card weekly.

But there is no evidence of this. The only people saying this is Michigan. The team with all evidence pointed at them right now. The evidence that is publicly available.

If they find other teams we're doing this suspend their head coaches too. But there isn't anything right now.

Changing it up isn't the problem here. They broke a rule. If you didn't change it up. It's your fault. I agree. Changing the signs week to week is impossible by the way. Year to year yeah. That's tough to beat it people are breaking the rule that protects that part of the game.

The cover up looks worse. There is too much public info.

[TheShizNo1]

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[jeebs9]

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Jeebs......have you been following/reading anything outside of ESPN and/Pat Forder?

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Hahaha yeah I've read others too. Am I missing something? (I don't even who Pat Forder is)

I also understand that people don't want to act before the full investigation is done. But like I keep repeat I think the combo of Michigan winning so much the last 3 years with the evidence being so public. You can't hide it. Like if we just heard like many had said early on here. Oh Michigan did this. But nothing else. No screenshots of all these weird transactions on Venmo, no transaction of all these tickets being purchased and then forward to others, and then now the guy confessing to it. I'd be like wait until the is more evidence is out. I think you have to act now.

Now I kind of can't wait to see what a judge does with this on Monday. I'm sure Michigan defense is others are doing this too. I wonder if that will hold.

[kehlis]

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But there is no evidence of this. The only people saying this is Michigan. The team with all evidence pointed at them right now. The evidence that is publicly available.

If they find other teams we're doing this suspend their head coaches too. But there isn't anything right now.

Changing it up isn't the problem here. They broke a rule. If you didn't change it up. It's your fault. I agree. Changing the signs week to week is impossible by the way. Year to year yeah. That's tough to beat it people are breaking the rule that protects that part of the game.

The cover up looks worse. There is too much public info.

The hypocrisy of those that have an issue with this is what I have the biggest issue with.

You all are screaming about how much against the "RULES" it is.

Yet, prior to NIL, every single one of us, including you, knew that players were getting compensated to go to top programs (And not even just the top ones).

No one ever thought twice about it or even turned a head because "everyone was doing it."

We had 20 year olds with no income posting pictures of their Jaguars on Twitter and no one batted an eye but instead joked about it.

Compensating players prior to NIL was against the rules too, but didn't seem to be an issue then.

I guess we pick and choose what rules we want to worry about and make an issue of.

[Sportsforever]

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This whole thing reminds me of the Astros scandal in baseball…I just didn’t get the whole uproar.


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[canes21]

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Part of me doesn't understand how some of you are calling it dramatic or it's silly. If they had circumstantial evidence. I would be with you guys. The entire CMU thing is a huge joke. They can't confirm it's him. But some of this other stuff is literally breaking the rule. Is everyone doing it? Probably. But I haven't seen any blatant evidence that says otherwise. They got video, money transactions and the guy confessing. What else do y'all need?

Is it the type of cheating that's silly? Do you think it doesn't make a different what they did was wrong? They still would of won all these games the last 3 years? I'm just trying to understand.

I don't think what they did is egregious. It's not something that I feel warrants more than a slap on the wrist. The fact that people are acting like Harbaugh should be suspended indefinitely and Michigan should be banned from the playoffs is what makes me laugh.

I just don't see this level of cheating anything to get in an uproar over. It's incredibly tame and likely gave them nearly no significant advantage.

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[jeebs9]

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The hypocrisy of those that have an issue with this is what I have the biggest issue with.

You all are screaming about how much against the "RULES" it is.

Yet, prior to NIL, every single one of us, including you, knew that players were getting compensated to go to top programs (And not even just the top ones).

No one ever thought twice about it or even turned a head because "everyone was doing it."

We had 20 year olds with no income posting pictures of their Jaguars on Twitter and no one batted an eye but instead joked about it.

Compensating players prior to NIL was against the rules too, but didn't seem to be an issue then.

I guess we pick and choose what rules we want to worry about and make an issue of.

Now you've completely confused me. So your saying we should just look the other way here? NIL just made it official. Players have been taking money forever. Yup that was known information. That's kind of outside the scope of what's happening on the field in this situation. Unless I'm missing something.

This whole thing reminds me of the Astros scandal in baseball…I just didn’t get the whole uproar.


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This EXACTLY like Astros.

I don't think what they did is egregious. It's not something that I feel warrants more than a slap on the wrist. The fact that people are acting like Harbaugh should be suspended indefinitely and Michigan should be banned from the playoffs is what makes me laugh.

I just don't see this level of cheating anything to get in an uproar over. It's incredibly tame and likely gave them nearly no significant advantage.

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Back in HS we got some "advance scouting" on a team. This team was a heavy run wing-T team. They ran like 95 percent of the time. Their biggest plays were pass plays because you'd be so focus on stopping the run. But the QB had this tell that even his team didn't notice. He'd lick his fingers before every pass play. They also had another tell that we discovered for their run game. So we could tell what type of run was going to happen. That was one of the biggest blow outs I was part of.

To me (the above) that's stuff has been in sports forever. That's part of the game.

But this situation of decoding sideline communication to players on the field. It's not a pulling guard looking "light" on their hands (pre snap). So you know it's going to be power or trap depending on the formation.

This is you being directly in their huddle and knowing not only when they cough but even the color of their ****. That's too much.

I guess knowing is half the battle is true to me. But I get it if your don't think it doesn't help them in the long run.

[kehlis]

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Now you've completely confused me. So your saying we should just look the other way here? NIL just made it official. Players have been taking money forever. Yup that was known information. That's kind of outside the scope of what's happening on the field in this situation. Unless I'm missing something.

So breaking the rules was okay when everyone knew it was happening but now it isn’t even when everyone knows all teams do it (your admission earlier).


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[jeebs9]

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So breaking the rules was okay when everyone knew it was happening but now it isn’t even when everyone knows all teams do it (your admission earlier).


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I never admitted that all teams we're doing it. I said probably. Maybe. But there hasn't been any evidence that shows the other teams have done it. It's only Michigan complaining that there is Google sheet that's been shared between 2-3 teams. But I haven't seen anything yet.

That's also why I said if that evidence shows up. Then they should suspend those coaches too.

They have a Michigan staff member. Buying tickets, sending them to people, recordings of those people at games recording the sidelines the entire game and it's been happening for 3 years.

Connor Stalion didn't even try to cover his tracks. This entire LLC thing bothers me even more. At this point it was happening. But I'm very interested in finding out how all this works. Especially the money part. They say Connor didn't want to cooperate with the investigation. That's why he just resigned.

But basically if you broke the rule. You should get the punishment.

[Tovarich]

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Jimbo "expected" to be fired. Odd timing.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Jimbo "expected" to be fired. Odd timing.

https://x.com/andrewbrandt/status/1723705560116203826?s=46&t=bmmyw4g-qEId3d4KHhv-qw

Man was coaching to get fired, I’m convinced [emoji23]

[ProfessaPackMan]

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But there is no evidence of this. The only people saying this is Michigan. The team with all evidence pointed at them right now. The evidence that is publicly available.

If they find other teams we're doing this suspend their head coaches too. But there isn't anything right now.

Changing it up isn't the problem here. They broke a rule. If you didn't change it up. It's your fault. I agree. Changing the signs week to week is impossible by the way. Year to year yeah. That's tough to beat it people are breaking the rule that protects that part of the game.

The cover up looks worse. There is too much public info.

So you’re saying you need to see actual evidence from other teams getting caught before going “Yep, everyone else does it too”?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

[Tovarich]

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I'm trying to fathom these SEC schools doling out 77M to pay someone not to coach. Oregon State, though famously low on resources would probably need to mortgage the entire university to pay out money like that.