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  • cdawg44
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    • May 2003
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    #256
    Re: Official USC - Michigan \"Rose Bowl Discussion thread\"

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    Phattferd said:
    Everyone is missing the biggest part of the gameplan. First, I would like to say I respect Michigan very much and root for them a lot, I think they may be my favorite Big-10 team (I hate OSU). This game is going to be tough it's not a gimme, but I do think USC will come out on top. USC's defense rely on getting turnovers and turning those into points. This has allowed USC to get out to leads of 2+ TDs. When a team is able to do this they can then control the clock, which is what they have been able to do, and if you get a big play and score then you aren't controlling the clock, but you are now up 3+ TDs.

    Yes, Michigan is an elite team and is the best team USC has faced, but I don't think they are any better on offense as some of the team USC has faced. They have a great RB, but USC stopped all of Auburns, Steven Jackson, and Julius Jones (right after his 200 yd game). Perry may be better than all of those guy's but USC doesn't give up rushing yards (with the exception of Echamandu). He is the only 100 yard rusher against USC in 2 years. I do think USC will shut down the run and get out to a lead with turnovers, which will force Michigan to air it out. Navarre is good, but not great and Edwards is a good WR, but USC was able to play Reggie Williams who had a good game against USC, but they will force Michigan to lock on him and they are still able to control the game. He is no better than Reggie Williams. USC has faced teams in the PAC-10 that air it out thats why their passing defense numbers look so bad. They force teams out of the run and teams average 40+ passes a game against them. Plus, USC doesn't use their DBs as much to stop the pass, they use their Defensive Line to put pressure on the QB to make a bad decision and they ALWAYS do, which lead to Interceptions which USC had in every game except 1.

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    Everyone talks about how USC Secondary is weak and how many yards they give up, but did you guys ever think about how USC always removes their starters in the third quarter and the other teams pad their stats. And you are right USC only rushes 4 guys and can drop 7 into coverage. All USC needs is turnovers and the game is over. Look at the turnover margain, that will be the story of the game.
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    • bkrich83
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      • Jul 2002
      • 71572

      #257
      Re: Official USC - Michigan \"Rose Bowl Discussion thread\"

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      cdawg44 said:
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      Phattferd said:
      Everyone is missing the biggest part of the gameplan. First, I would like to say I respect Michigan very much and root for them a lot, I think they may be my favorite Big-10 team (I hate OSU). This game is going to be tough it's not a gimme, but I do think USC will come out on top. USC's defense rely on getting turnovers and turning those into points. This has allowed USC to get out to leads of 2+ TDs. When a team is able to do this they can then control the clock, which is what they have been able to do, and if you get a big play and score then you aren't controlling the clock, but you are now up 3+ TDs.

      Yes, Michigan is an elite team and is the best team USC has faced, but I don't think they are any better on offense as some of the team USC has faced. They have a great RB, but USC stopped all of Auburns, Steven Jackson, and Julius Jones (right after his 200 yd game). Perry may be better than all of those guy's but USC doesn't give up rushing yards (with the exception of Echamandu). He is the only 100 yard rusher against USC in 2 years. I do think USC will shut down the run and get out to a lead with turnovers, which will force Michigan to air it out. Navarre is good, but not great and Edwards is a good WR, but USC was able to play Reggie Williams who had a good game against USC, but they will force Michigan to lock on him and they are still able to control the game. He is no better than Reggie Williams. USC has faced teams in the PAC-10 that air it out thats why their passing defense numbers look so bad. They force teams out of the run and teams average 40+ passes a game against them. Plus, USC doesn't use their DBs as much to stop the pass, they use their Defensive Line to put pressure on the QB to make a bad decision and they ALWAYS do, which lead to Interceptions which USC had in every game except 1.

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      Everyone talks about how USC Secondary is weak and how many yards they give up, but did you guys ever think about how USC always removes their starters in the third quarter and the other teams pad their stats. And you are right USC only rushes 4 guys and can drop 7 into coverage. All USC needs is turnovers and the game is over. Look at the turnover margain, that will be the story of the game.

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      There is some truth to that. Also when they get big leads, (which has been just about every game), they tend to sit back in a real soft cover 3 and cover 2 and just trade yards for time. Most of the yards they have given up are after they are already up by 21 or more.
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      • bkrich83
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        • Jul 2002
        • 71572

        #258
        Re: Official USC - Michigan \"Rose Bowl Discussion thread\"

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        cdawg44 said:
        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
        Phattferd said:
        Everyone is missing the biggest part of the gameplan. First, I would like to say I respect Michigan very much and root for them a lot, I think they may be my favorite Big-10 team (I hate OSU). This game is going to be tough it's not a gimme, but I do think USC will come out on top. USC's defense rely on getting turnovers and turning those into points. This has allowed USC to get out to leads of 2+ TDs. When a team is able to do this they can then control the clock, which is what they have been able to do, and if you get a big play and score then you aren't controlling the clock, but you are now up 3+ TDs.

        Yes, Michigan is an elite team and is the best team USC has faced, but I don't think they are any better on offense as some of the team USC has faced. They have a great RB, but USC stopped all of Auburns, Steven Jackson, and Julius Jones (right after his 200 yd game). Perry may be better than all of those guy's but USC doesn't give up rushing yards (with the exception of Echamandu). He is the only 100 yard rusher against USC in 2 years. I do think USC will shut down the run and get out to a lead with turnovers, which will force Michigan to air it out. Navarre is good, but not great and Edwards is a good WR, but USC was able to play Reggie Williams who had a good game against USC, but they will force Michigan to lock on him and they are still able to control the game. He is no better than Reggie Williams. USC has faced teams in the PAC-10 that air it out thats why their passing defense numbers look so bad. They force teams out of the run and teams average 40+ passes a game against them. Plus, USC doesn't use their DBs as much to stop the pass, they use their Defensive Line to put pressure on the QB to make a bad decision and they ALWAYS do, which lead to Interceptions which USC had in every game except 1.

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        Everyone talks about how USC Secondary is weak and how many yards they give up, but did you guys ever think about how USC always removes their starters in the third quarter and the other teams pad their stats. And you are right USC only rushes 4 guys and can drop 7 into coverage. All USC needs is turnovers and the game is over. Look at the turnover margain, that will be the story of the game.

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        There is some truth to that. Also when they get big leads, (which has been just about every game), they tend to sit back in a real soft cover 3 and cover 2 and just trade yards for time. Most of the yards they have given up are after they are already up by 21 or more.
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        • bkrich83
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          #259
          Re: Official USC - Michigan \"Rose Bowl Discussion thread\"

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          cdawg44 said:
          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
          Phattferd said:
          Everyone is missing the biggest part of the gameplan. First, I would like to say I respect Michigan very much and root for them a lot, I think they may be my favorite Big-10 team (I hate OSU). This game is going to be tough it's not a gimme, but I do think USC will come out on top. USC's defense rely on getting turnovers and turning those into points. This has allowed USC to get out to leads of 2+ TDs. When a team is able to do this they can then control the clock, which is what they have been able to do, and if you get a big play and score then you aren't controlling the clock, but you are now up 3+ TDs.

          Yes, Michigan is an elite team and is the best team USC has faced, but I don't think they are any better on offense as some of the team USC has faced. They have a great RB, but USC stopped all of Auburns, Steven Jackson, and Julius Jones (right after his 200 yd game). Perry may be better than all of those guy's but USC doesn't give up rushing yards (with the exception of Echamandu). He is the only 100 yard rusher against USC in 2 years. I do think USC will shut down the run and get out to a lead with turnovers, which will force Michigan to air it out. Navarre is good, but not great and Edwards is a good WR, but USC was able to play Reggie Williams who had a good game against USC, but they will force Michigan to lock on him and they are still able to control the game. He is no better than Reggie Williams. USC has faced teams in the PAC-10 that air it out thats why their passing defense numbers look so bad. They force teams out of the run and teams average 40+ passes a game against them. Plus, USC doesn't use their DBs as much to stop the pass, they use their Defensive Line to put pressure on the QB to make a bad decision and they ALWAYS do, which lead to Interceptions which USC had in every game except 1.

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          Everyone talks about how USC Secondary is weak and how many yards they give up, but did you guys ever think about how USC always removes their starters in the third quarter and the other teams pad their stats. And you are right USC only rushes 4 guys and can drop 7 into coverage. All USC needs is turnovers and the game is over. Look at the turnover margain, that will be the story of the game.

          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

          There is some truth to that. Also when they get big leads, (which has been just about every game), they tend to sit back in a real soft cover 3 and cover 2 and just trade yards for time. Most of the yards they have given up are after they are already up by 21 or more.
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          • MFootball
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            • Jun 2003
            • 533

            #260
            Re: Official USC - Michigan \"Rose Bowl Discussion thread\"

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            cdawg44 said:
            Tom Malone averages 50 yards a kick

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            Much of this is because Malone line drives kicks and gives the returner tons of time. Just thinking about Breaston getting a line drive kick makes me

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            • MFootball
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              • Jun 2003
              • 533

              #261
              Re: Official USC - Michigan \"Rose Bowl Discussion thread\"

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              cdawg44 said:
              Tom Malone averages 50 yards a kick

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              Much of this is because Malone line drives kicks and gives the returner tons of time. Just thinking about Breaston getting a line drive kick makes me

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              • MFootball
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                • Jun 2003
                • 533

                #262
                Re: Official USC - Michigan \"Rose Bowl Discussion thread\"

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                cdawg44 said:
                Tom Malone averages 50 yards a kick

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                Much of this is because Malone line drives kicks and gives the returner tons of time. Just thinking about Breaston getting a line drive kick makes me

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                • cdawg44
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                  • May 2003
                  • 2936

                  #263
                  Re: Official USC - Michigan \"Rose Bowl Discussion thread\"

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                  MFootball said:
                  </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                  cdawg44 said:
                  Tom Malone averages 50 yards a kick

                  <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                  Much of this is because Malone line drives kicks and gives the returner tons of time. Just thinking about Breaston getting a line drive kick makes me

                  <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                  That statement makes me wonder if you really have watched USC play. Look at the Stats from ESPN on Special teams:

                  PUNT RETURNS: #-YARDS.... USC: 33-233 Opponents: 20-161

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                  • cdawg44
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                    • May 2003
                    • 2936

                    #264
                    Re: Official USC - Michigan \"Rose Bowl Discussion thread\"

                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    MFootball said:
                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    cdawg44 said:
                    Tom Malone averages 50 yards a kick

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                    Much of this is because Malone line drives kicks and gives the returner tons of time. Just thinking about Breaston getting a line drive kick makes me

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                    That statement makes me wonder if you really have watched USC play. Look at the Stats from ESPN on Special teams:

                    PUNT RETURNS: #-YARDS.... USC: 33-233 Opponents: 20-161

                    Dude, that is a hallow arugment
                    "If you have a linebacker on him, you might as well start singing their fight song." -- WSU coach Bill Doba on Reggie Bush

                    My Teams:
                    NCAA Football: USC Trojans
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                    • cdawg44
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                      • May 2003
                      • 2936

                      #265
                      Re: Official USC - Michigan \"Rose Bowl Discussion thread\"

                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                      MFootball said:
                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                      cdawg44 said:
                      Tom Malone averages 50 yards a kick

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      Much of this is because Malone line drives kicks and gives the returner tons of time. Just thinking about Breaston getting a line drive kick makes me

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      That statement makes me wonder if you really have watched USC play. Look at the Stats from ESPN on Special teams:

                      PUNT RETURNS: #-YARDS.... USC: 33-233 Opponents: 20-161

                      Dude, that is a hallow arugment
                      "If you have a linebacker on him, you might as well start singing their fight song." -- WSU coach Bill Doba on Reggie Bush

                      My Teams:
                      NCAA Football: USC Trojans
                      NCAA Basketball: UNC Tarheels
                      NFL: Houston Texans
                      Premier League: Arsenal
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                      • MFootball
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                        • Jun 2003
                        • 533

                        #266
                        Re: Official USC - Michigan \"Rose Bowl Discussion thread\"

                        cdawg,

                        Where did you hear me say that people bust big returns on SC? I simply said that he line drives kicks. Saying that Breaston won't be able to do anything with line drive punts makes me wonder if you've watched Michigan this season.

                        I've seen Malone punt, and he does kick line drives. The returners are given lots of time. You may be able to sit here and toss stats about how much yardage USC gives up on punt returns, but the fact remains...you haven't seen a returnman like Breaston.

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                        • MFootball
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                          • Jun 2003
                          • 533

                          #267
                          Re: Official USC - Michigan \"Rose Bowl Discussion thread\"

                          cdawg,

                          Where did you hear me say that people bust big returns on SC? I simply said that he line drives kicks. Saying that Breaston won't be able to do anything with line drive punts makes me wonder if you've watched Michigan this season.

                          I've seen Malone punt, and he does kick line drives. The returners are given lots of time. You may be able to sit here and toss stats about how much yardage USC gives up on punt returns, but the fact remains...you haven't seen a returnman like Breaston.

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                          • MFootball
                            Pro
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 533

                            #268
                            Re: Official USC - Michigan \"Rose Bowl Discussion thread\"

                            cdawg,

                            Where did you hear me say that people bust big returns on SC? I simply said that he line drives kicks. Saying that Breaston won't be able to do anything with line drive punts makes me wonder if you've watched Michigan this season.

                            I've seen Malone punt, and he does kick line drives. The returners are given lots of time. You may be able to sit here and toss stats about how much yardage USC gives up on punt returns, but the fact remains...you haven't seen a returnman like Breaston.

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                            • bkrich83
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                              • Jul 2002
                              • 71572

                              #269
                              Re: Official USC - Michigan \"Rose Bowl Discussion thread\"

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                              MFootball said:
                              cdawg,

                              Where did you hear me say that people bust big returns on SC? I simply said that he line drives kicks. Saying that Breaston won't be able to do anything with line drive punts makes me wonder if you've watched Michigan this season.

                              I've seen Malone punt, and he does kick line drives. The returners are given lots of time. You may be able to sit here and toss stats about how much yardage USC gives up on punt returns, but the fact remains...you haven't seen a returnman like Breaston.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              Most of his punts go out of bounds as evidenced by the fact that only 50% of his punts are even returned. So for Breaston to even get a touch on a punt return not only does Michigan actually have to stop USC, but they need to stop them inside USC's own 40 or 45 for him to get a shot.

                              Malone does drive punts, but he's very good at directional punting which negates a lot of the punt return advantage, not to mention USC is extremely athletic in their coverage teams.
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                              • bkrich83
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                                • Jul 2002
                                • 71572

                                #270
                                Re: Official USC - Michigan \"Rose Bowl Discussion thread\"

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                                MFootball said:
                                cdawg,

                                Where did you hear me say that people bust big returns on SC? I simply said that he line drives kicks. Saying that Breaston won't be able to do anything with line drive punts makes me wonder if you've watched Michigan this season.

                                I've seen Malone punt, and he does kick line drives. The returners are given lots of time. You may be able to sit here and toss stats about how much yardage USC gives up on punt returns, but the fact remains...you haven't seen a returnman like Breaston.

                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                Most of his punts go out of bounds as evidenced by the fact that only 50% of his punts are even returned. So for Breaston to even get a touch on a punt return not only does Michigan actually have to stop USC, but they need to stop them inside USC's own 40 or 45 for him to get a shot.

                                Malone does drive punts, but he's very good at directional punting which negates a lot of the punt return advantage, not to mention USC is extremely athletic in their coverage teams.
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