Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

[z Revis]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

Better team isn't always the most talented team. I am still not getting your argument. Is it, despite the fact that Utah beat them soundly, Alabama is still the better team because they are an SEC team? The schedule argument would go a lot further if Utah didn't handle Alabama head to head.

Or falling behind 21-0 after 10 minutes is losing to a team that was better than you, or better prepared, or better than you thought. However the point remains, I've yet to see a valid argument that Bama was the better team. Have you? Also if you can't get up for a BCS Bowl game, in your home region played in front of the entire country, then you weren't that good of a team in the first place.

Depends on what you think is valid. I think I've stated my point multiple times already and I believe it is valid. I think Utah was better prepared, but not the better team. Play that game again and Alabama would win. If you don't agree that's fine.

[bkrich83]

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Depends on what you think is valid. I think I've stated my point multiple times already and I believe it is valid. I think Utah was better prepared, but not the better team. Play that game again and Alabama would win. If you don't agree that's fine.

I get it, but based on what? That was my question, if Alabama was the better team that's based on what argument that trumps the one I posted. Just opinion based on the fact they played in the SEC? That's not really a point, that's a opinion with nothing tangible to back it.

[Swamp Swagger]

There is no way to prove they were the better unless of course they played more than once. It's all opinion outside of who won that game.

Just like if Bama never got to play LSU again everyone would have just said LSU was the better team that year. I think it was dumb people even cried OSU didn't get a chance to play for the title when most knew deep down Bama was the best team.

But let me guess. How do we know? Lol

[bkrich83]

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It's all opinion outside of who won that game.

Exactly my point.

[BigDofBA]

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13-0 by beating who? TCU and BYU who also beat nobody? A 3-9 Michigan team? Impressive...

What are you even trying to argue?

Utah went undefeated and smacked the piss out of Alabama in SEC country but you're trying to argue against Utah being better because of the "other" teams they played even though Utah could have named their score against Bama head to head?

Then you go on to make excuses that Bama didnt' care? LMAO.

So I guess when.....

Clemson beats SEC power LSU in SEC country,
Louisville dominates SEC power Florida in SEC country,
West Virginia destroys Georgia in SEC country,
Boise State travels halfway across the country and dominates Georgia in Atlanta a few years ago ...

It doesn't matter because the other teams play in the SEC and probably didn't care about those games.

See the problem and how foolish your argument is? When mid-majors dominate SEC powers, in SEC country no less, it's because the SEC doesn't care. When the SEC wins, it's because the SEC is great and almighty.

Utah dominated Bama head to head and somehow Bama was still better that year because of the conference they played in. Unreal reasoning. LOL.

The SEC is the best conference but it's not nearly as great as you people make it out to be. Otherwise, your best teams wouldn't be losing in SEC country to Clemson, Boise, West Virginia, and Louisville.

I didn't think about it bowl games when I talked about how the SEC never travels, besides Alabama and LSU, but even all of their bowl games are in the South.

I would like to see a Georgia or South Carolina go up to Detroit or somewhere and play Nebraska, Michigan, or Ohio Sate in their bowl games instead of having them all in Georgia, Florida, or Louisiana.

[ZB9]

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So if an SEC team loses it's because "they dont care"? How do you gauge a teams level of care?

Anyway, it doesnt matter how much they cared. When a team gets handled as badly as Florida did against Louisville, and on a neutral site, you cant say that the Gators were the better team regardless of how much they "cared". It got settled on the field and that is what it's all about.

George Foreman might have been a more talented boxer physically than Ali but you cant say that Foreman was better because it got settled in the ring. Ali probably "cared" more than Foreman and that is part of it. Styles make fights and football games.

[ZB9]

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btw what makes a conference the best?

The SEC is clearly the best at the top. The top 4 in the SEC is better than any other conference in the country right now imo.

However, it's not the best top to bottom imo. Most SEC schedules are not gauntlets "week in and week out" because they play 8 conference games and the teams at the top often get to miss each other on the schedule. There are usually a lot of gimme conference games. Last season, for example, the bottom teams in the conference were 0-36 against the top teams.

With that said, personally i feel that the SEC is the best conference because they have the best teams at the top. That doesn't mean that all SEC teams have the toughest gauntlet schedules however. TAMU, for example, gets to miss the top teams in the east this season. The LSU and Bama games are obviously going to be extremely difficult for the Aggies but they are pretty much the only ones. Some do have very difficult schedules though, because they don't get to dodge the top teams, like Florida last season and LSU this season. [/2cents]

[Sportsforever]

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I will say that the "SEC is the best" crowd gets old...but the "SEC is overrated" crowd is just as bad. It's the same thread ever year it seems.

I don't care which conference is best, I care that MY team is the best...'Bama hasn't won my team a darn thing.

[bkrich83]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

Most SEC schedules are not gauntlets "week in and week out" because they play 8 conference games and the teams at the top often get to miss each other on the schedule. There are usually a lot of gimme conference games. Last season, for example, the bottom teams in the conference were 0-36 against the top teams.

Exactly. As I said in like 6 of the last 7 years at least one SEC team has gone undefeated in conference play, and at least once in that time span, that I can remember, two teams ran the SEC table.

Best conference at the top? Absolutely? Deepest conference? Not sure. Is the SEC Schedule Gauntlet theory over done? It certainly is.

I will say that the "SEC is the best" crowd gets old...but the "SEC is overrated" crowd is just as bad. It's the same thread ever year it seems.

I don't care which conference is best, I care that MY team is the best...'Bama hasn't won my team a darn thing.

We wouldn't have the 2nd group without the first. I think the SEC chants after beating a Sun Belt team at home, really started the opposition group up. Not to mention the media bias, and the pass SEC teams seem to get in the polls and with the BCS.

[Swamp Swagger]

It's not as deep as some make but who's conference is deeper?

UF, UGA, BAMA, USCe, LSU, T-A&M all seem pretty good to me.

[bkrich83]

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It's not as deep as some make but who's conference is deeper?

UF, UGA, BAMA, USCe, LSU, T-A&M all seem pretty good to me.

Jury's out on just how good ,UF, UGA, A&M and LSU will be this year. I guess we'll find out. Good teams? Yes. As good as SEC homers make them out to be? Remains to be seen.

[ZB9]

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It's not as deep as some make but who's conference is deeper?

UF, UGA, BAMA, USCe, LSU, T-A&M all seem pretty good to me.

That's a good group indeed, better than any other group of 6 in the country imo. That's why i feel that the SEC is the best conference, if you can even rank conferences to begin with.

However, that doesnt necessarily mean that all SEC teams have gauntlet schedules. The top teams often get to dodge each other. TAMU, for example, gets to dodge UF, UGA, and USC. Bama and LSU will be very difficult games obviously, but outside of that the Aggies conference slate consists of Arkansas, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, Auburn, Miss. St., and Missouri. Arkansas and Auburn might surprise some people but that's not a more difficult slate than you would see in the Pac 12, Big 10, Big 12 or ACC imo. TAMU should get to 10 wins pretty easily.

[bkrich83]

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That's a good group indeed, better than any other group of 6 in the country imo. That's why i feel that the SEC is the best conference, if you can even rank conferences to begin with.

However, that doesnt necessarily mean that all SEC teams have gauntlet schedules. The top teams often get to dodge each other. TAMU, for example, gets to dodge UF, UGA, and USC. Bama and LSU will be very difficult games obviously, but outside of that, the Aggies conference slate consists of Arkansas, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, Auburn, Miss. St., and Missouri.

Agreed. i don't think it's a coincidence that so many SEC teams have run the conference table, do you?

I am not even sure there is such a thing as the best conference at the moment, especially with so many 12 team super conferences, conference movement and just the overall parity and talent spread that's out there now. If there is such a thing, it's the SEC, but the GAP is far narrower than some lead on.

[Swamp Swagger]

I know I'm sure ready for football to get here already

[ZB9]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

Agreed. i don't think it's a coincidence that so many SEC teams have run the conference table, do you?

I am not even sure there is such a thing as the best conference at the moment, especially with so many 12 team super conferences, conference movement and just the overall parity and talent spread that's out there now. If there is such a thing, it's the SEC, but the GAP is far narrower than some lead on.

SEC teams can make the game with one loss, while teams from other conferences seemingly have to go undefeated...even though it's not any easier to go undefeated in the other major conferences than it is in the SEC imo. All of the major conference schedules are tough, especially considering that the programs in a conference all know each other so well right.

and playing 8 conference games in a 14 team conference is an advantage when it comes to rankings. It's mathematically impossible to have as many ranked teams with 9 conference games in a 10 or 12 team conference.

I agree that in a conference ranking the SEC is the best right now, but the gap is small. Their conference has the system figured out, that is for sure. They do the best job, as a conference, in taking advantage of the system and that's another thing that makes them the best lol