Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

[Swamp Swagger]

What did I deflect? I clearly asked for your logic, and apparently you had none to back up your argument, so you resorted to dumb comments. Actually that's the definition of deflection, especially when you can't back up your point.

Its simple you're opinion wouldn't change wouldn't change if I posted a paragraph or a full fledged book on the subject.

Like I said you done said it was meaningless.

[bkrich83]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

Its simple you're opinion wouldn't change wouldn't change if I posted a paragraph or a full fledged book on the subject.

Like I said you done said it was meaningless.

So the dumb remarks served what purpose then?

[Swamp Swagger]

So the dumb remarks served what purpose then?

Was no purpose they were meaningless

[thedudedominick]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

The SEC is the best conference right now. (Man that is hard for me to type.)

Of course the gap between the SEC and other conferences is widened by media perceptions and the preseason polls that should be gotten rid of. It's tough to fall as a conference when you start off with half of your teams in the top 20. Plus most (I didn't say all so don't jump down my throat) SEC teams play terrible OOC schedules including FCS teams so we never find out how they compare to the other conferences until bowl season. Then bowl season is tough to get a read on with the matchups that aren't straight standings crossovers, and the fact that most games are played in the south. I'd love to see Florida, UGA, TA&M or 'Bama go up north in December or January and have to play a game there. (Not saying they would lose, but it would neutralize some of the strengths of those teams. Although 'Bama might be an even tougher team to beat playing in the north or bad weather.)

I think the thing that sets the SEC apart from other conferences is the defensive linemen. There are guys in the SEC that just flat out dominate games. College offensive linemen are overmatched by these guys and when you have to double team players at the point of attack it frees up backers and defensive backs to make plays.

[Buckeyes_Doc]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

The SEC is the best conference right now. (Man that is hard for me to type.)

Of course the gap between the SEC and other conferences is widened by media perceptions and the preseason polls that should be gotten rid of. It's tough to fall as a conference when you start off with half of your teams in the top 20. Plus most (I didn't say all so don't jump down my throat) SEC teams play terrible OOC schedules including FCS teams so we never find out how they compare to the other conferences until bowl season. Then bowl season is tough to get a read on with the matchups that aren't straight standings crossovers, and the fact that most games are played in the south. I'd love to see Florida, UGA, TA&M or 'Bama go up north in December or January and have to play a game there. (Not saying they would lose, but it would neutralize some of the strengths of those teams. Although 'Bama might be an even tougher team to beat playing in the north or bad weather.)

I think the thing that sets the SEC apart from other conferences is the defensive linemen. There are guys in the SEC that just flat out dominate games. College offensive linemen are overmatched by these guys and when you have to double team players at the point of attack it frees up backers and defensive backs to make plays.

I agree with most of what you said, but I don't think it's fair to say SEC teams play terrible OOC schedules because almost everyone plays weak OOC schedules, and playing FCS teams is becoming the norm. When faced against quality opponents top-tier SEC teams have proven they can go up against any OOC opponent both in the regular season and in bowls.

Your last paragraph hit the nail on the head.

[bkrich83]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

The SEC is the best conference right now. (Man that is hard for me to type.)

Of course the gap between the SEC and other conferences is widened by media perceptions and the preseason polls that should be gotten rid of. It's tough to fall as a conference when you start off with half of your teams in the top 20. Plus most (I didn't say all so don't jump down my throat) SEC teams play terrible OOC schedules including FCS teams so we never find out how they compare to the other conferences until bowl season. Then bowl season is tough to get a read on with the matchups that aren't straight standings crossovers, and the fact that most games are played in the south. I'd love to see Florida, UGA, TA&M or 'Bama go up north in December or January and have to play a game there. (Not saying they would lose, but it would neutralize some of the strengths of those teams. Although 'Bama might be an even tougher team to beat playing in the north or bad weather.)

I think the thing that sets the SEC apart from other conferences is the defensive linemen. There are guys in the SEC that just flat out dominate games. College offensive linemen are overmatched by these guys and when you have to double team players at the point of attack it frees up backers and defensive backs to make plays.

Agreed. Well put.

[USNAggie44]

A&M is scheduled to play Oregon in the future. It's not like they can plan the whole schedule with big teams the year before. It takes about 5 or more years ahead of time to plan a game.

[thedudedominick]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

A&M is scheduled to play Oregon in the future. It's not like they can plan the whole schedule with big teams the year before. It takes about 5 or more years ahead of time to plan a game.

This is very true. The worst part is when a team from any conference schedules someone that is good right now then completely falls off by the time they play, then when they do play the team gets bashed for playing a worse team.

[seasprite]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

I think that it it very unrealistic to claim which conference is the greatest until a playoff of more than 8 teams happens. There is just nothing that is definitive with the current system IMO.

[BigDofBA]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

I think the reason must of us get sick of the SEC fanboys is because we admit the SEC is the best conference and the SEC fanboys still argue with us wanting more praise.

No one is arguing it's not a great conference. We're just arguing that the gap isn't that great.

Last season the following happened:

- Louisville beat Florida
- Clemson beat LSU
- Michigan gave South Carolina everything they wanted.
- Nebraska gave Georgia everything they wanted.

So two of the SEC's best lost to the Big East and ACC, conferences their fans put down on a yearly basis.

Heck, in recent years...

- Alabama lost to ULM
- Arkansas lost to ULM
- Auburn had to have OT to beat ULM.
- Ole Miss lost to Jacksonville state

As for Ole Miss....they got their doors blown off at home against a Texas team that has a losing record in the Big 12 the last three years; however, had Florida played them and won 17-14 in typical SEC fashion, it would have been another "tough" game in the SEC.

Great conference but I wish these Arkansas, Vandy, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Miss. State, Mizzou, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Auburn fans that chant SEC would quit riding the coattails of Alabama and LSU when they win titles.

Those teams wouldn't be any better in any other BCS conference.

You basically have 2-3 great teams in that conferences and then the rest of the conference which isn't any different than any other league.

Fans of any other conference don't pound their chest when 1 or 2 other teams in the league are constantly successful.

When USC was on their run I didn't see fans of Arizona or Oregon State chanting Pac-10. Same with Miami before that.

[BigDofBA]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

We were incredibly close to seeing a Florida/Bama Title game last year yet Florida didn't even belong on the same field with a 20th ranked team from the Big East.

That's how ridiculous the hype has gotten.

I forgot to mention the year that Bama was #1 all season and then got lit up by Utah. Yet another example that the gap isn't as big as some believe.

[Amoo316]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

The only reason we ended up incredibly close to seeing things like a bad Florida team in the national title game against Bama, is because other top teams from other conferences can't keep their pants on when it gets down to the wire and everything starts to go to hell in a hand-basket. USC to UCLA the year LSU got in with 2 losses along with I think WVU and possibly 1 other team. Okie State losing to ISU. Clemson choking away a 14 point lead to FSU who then get's slaughtered by UF, Clemson also lost to SC who LSU and UF beat, but Clemson beat LSU in the bowl game (transitive property fail)......the list goes on.

It's not even about losing late either, or losing to teams because of where they start or finish in the polls. They're losing to teams who are barely .500 football teams. Or losing to teams teams where you have to apply the transitive property like the Clemson situation above.

Florida did NOT have a good team last year by Florida standards. The problem is Florida State dropped the ball and got dominated by Florida's defense and made a weak Florida team look stronger then all of us rational Florida fans knew they were. They came from behind in almost every game last year based solely on second half adjustments and honestly got lucky to finish with the record that they did. They were so high in the polls because they beat LSU, who crushed what was supposed to be good Washington team, turns out Wash wasn't but we didn't know that then. They beat SC, that's explained above. The ****ty "new" late 14 team schedule they had to throw together last year shot down any plans to maybe not schedule all terrible teams OOC (I don't remember who they had on before but it wasn't Jax State and LA Lafeyette to close the year))

I'm not going to get into LSU's offensive struggles, but they were in the same situation UF was in last year.

You guys can call all of this excuses if you want, but I'm just trying to be honest. If other top teams from other conferences would stop dropping games to teams that are hovering around .500 or losing to the one team in their conference that played an SEC school OOC and lost, this ranking crap might not be as bad as it is.

I'm just hoping Cal can have a winning season and beat or hang in late with Oregon or Stanford so OSU has a legit enough schedule that there is no argument this year. Undefeated Oregon or an Undefeated Stanford as long as ND doesn't suck is fine too. Bama will be really good, but I always say it's hard to replace this many O-Lineman and win a MNC, I don't care what skill players you have coming back.

[BrockOchoGOAT]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

Overrated.

They are the best, but their perception is higher than the reality and it helps them in the polls and leads to them getting a shot in the national chamionship game every year (sometimes with two teams).

[BigDofBA]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

The only reason we ended up incredibly close to seeing things like a bad Florida team in the national title game against Bama, is because other top teams from other conferences can't keep their pants on when it gets down to the wire and everything starts to go to hell in a hand-basket.

Really?

Then why did LSU get to play for a title after losing to a mediocre Kentucky team and then losing the final game of the year at home to a mediocre Arkansas team?

LSU "couldn't keep their pants up twice" and got rewarded by playing for a title even though they couldn't beat Arkansas and Kentucky....

I could make similar arguments about...

- LSU losing to a 6-6 Florida team at home and playing for a title in 2003.
- Florida losing to Ole Miss at home and playing for a title in 2008.
- Bama pissing down their leg late in the year at home against LSU in 2011.
- Florida losing by double digits to Auburn in 2006 and playing for a title.

LSU losing in overtime to Kentucky isn't really any different than OSU losing in overtime to Iowa State.

The only difference there is that OSU won it's conference title and beat a top 10 team by 5 toudchdowns the last game of the year while that LSU team lost their second game, at home, to a mediocre Arkansas team.

The SEC is a great conference, best in the country, but the hype train is out of control. These teams all start ranked high and when they lose they don't drop.

Was Florida really 17 spots better than Louisville last year or was it because that the play in the SEC that they got so much respect?

[Chrisksaint]

Well there's plenty of factors were missing here such other teams that lost, dates they lost, etc. Also in '07 I don't think the SEC had the rep it does now