What does it take for a guy to get a HC offer anymore?!?

[SilverBullet19]

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A lot of schools won't hire you purposely if they are your alma mater I've found. Makes no sense. There should be more schools willing to hire a successful alumnus than who wouldn't hire them.

Example: West Virginia's coach retired. I am the Jacksonville State head coach Alma Mater is WVU. I go 12-1 and I don't get an offer. They hire the DC from Colorado State and a year later he leaves. I take Jacksonville State to the playoff and they still don't offer me. That would never happen in real life. Just because when they hire they only are set to hire and air raid coach that is not an alumnus.

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I’m curious if this is why I wasn’t offered by Boise State as it’s my Alma mater in the game.

I was level 25 and A prestige. Multiple offense and 4-3 multiple defense. Fit their schemes in that regard, but I wasn’t offered. They hired away from Fresno State… which is admittedly a cool storyline that they stole a rival coach.

I think archetype is huge. I go for recruiting then motivator as it’s how you build a program in my eyes. I’ve avoided architect because in past versions such coaching boosts made the game way too easy. Most schools, however, seem to want an architect coach

[mtoo22]

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I’m curious if this is why I wasn’t offered by Boise State as it’s my Alma mater in the game.



I was level 25 and A prestige. Multiple offense and 4-3 multiple defense. Fit their schemes in that regard, but I wasn’t offered. They hired away from Fresno State… which is admittedly a cool storyline that they stole a rival coach.



I think archetype is huge. I go for recruiting then motivator as it’s how you build a program in my eyes. I’ve avoided architect because in past versions such coaching boosts made the game way too easy. Most schools, however, seem to want an architect coach

If you look at the coaching carousel, most schools actually have alma mater as no. Which is totally the opposite of how it should be.

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[MrArlingtonBeach]

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To follow up on my experiences...

I have been the Wisconsin head coach now for quite a while...it's 2045, and I am pretty sure I took over at Wisconsin in 2034. Wisconsin is my coach's alma mater and pipeline, as mentioned in my previous post.

I am 136-20 with Wisconsin, have won 5 national titles in that time and made the CFP every season with the Badgers except for one (my first one in Madison). I have also won the B1G every season except for that first one, too. I have had dozens of All-Americans, countless award winners (zero Heisman winners, though), and 75 NFL draft picks (17 in the first round). Every year with the Badgers, I have had a Top 5 national recruiting class, too.

Despite that success, I have received THREE TOTAL P4 HC job offers during my time with Wisconsin (Clemson, Michigan State, and Washington are the only ones I remember). I get a bunch of offers to become a coordinator at a small G5 schools, which is silly to think...just imagine Nick Saban being approached by Buffalo to be their DC after winning 7 national championships as a HC at LSU and Alabama.

I guess my point is...at some point, you should no longer even be getting offers to be an assistant coach at G5 schools, and should be getting offers that actually reflect the level of your success. As it is now, the carousel really makes zero sense.

[SilverBullet19]

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If you look at the coaching carousel, most schools actually have alma mater as no. Which is totally the opposite of how it should be.

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Especially schools like Boise State. They love going with the guys from their own coaching tree. They haven’t gone outside of that since Dan Hawkins in 1998

To follow up on my experiences...

I have been the Wisconsin head coach now for quite a while...it's 2045, and I am pretty sure I took over at Wisconsin in 2038. Wisconsin is my coach's alma mater and pipeline, as mentioned in my previous post.

I am 136-20 with Wisconsin, have won 5 national titles in that time and made the CFP every season with the Badgers except for one (my first one in Madison). I have also won the B1G every season except for that first one, too. I have had dozens of All-Americans, countless award winners (zero Heisman winners, though), and 75 NFL draft picks (17 in the first round). Every year with the Badgers, I have had a Top 5 national recruiting class, too.

Despite that success, I have received THREE TOTAL P4 HC job offers during my time with Wisconsin (Clemson, Michigan State, and Washington are the only ones I remember). I get a bunch of offers to become a coordinator at a small G5 schools, which is silly to think...just imagine Nick Saban being approached by Buffalo to be their DC after winning 7 national championships as a HC at LSU and Alabama.

I guess my point is...at some point, you should no longer even be getting offers to be an assistant coach at G5 schools, and should be getting offers that actually reflect the level of your success. As it is now, the carousel really makes zero sense.

Yeah the amount of coordinator jobs you’re offered makes no sense. And come to think of it, there’s not a ton of rhyme or reason for many HC offers. I keep trying to find ways it would make sense, but it seems so random the more I think about it. Even p4. I got my first p4 offer as a level 10 with C prestige and a 5-7 record in G5 as an OC. Won a natty and got to A+… no offers

[jello1717]

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I have Michigan as my alma mater and pipeline and was offered the Michigan job. I’m starting my 8th season with Michigan after 6 years at ODU and Louisville combined and I’ve been offered at least 1 P4 HC job every season. They’re not premium jobs like Michigan (very, very few are) but they’re still P4 schools. Louisville, Purdue, and MSU all love to offer me whenever a job opens up, but I still get other P4 HC job offers. This past season I was offered the 4[emoji294]️ Wisconsin HC gig following a bad season after winning the B1G title the previous season (while beating my Wolverines in both the regular season and CCG).

[MrArlingtonBeach]

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I have Michigan as my alma mater and pipeline and was offered the Michigan job. I’m starting my 8th season with Michigan after 6 years at ODU and Louisville combined and I’ve been offered at least 1 P4 HC job every season. They’re not premium jobs like Michigan (very, very few are) but they’re still P4 schools. Louisville, Purdue, and MSU all love to offer me whenever a job opens up, but I still get other P4 HC job offers. This past season I was offered the 4[emoji294]️ Wisconsin HC gig following a bad season after winning the B1G title the previous season (while beating my Wolverines in both the regular season and CCG).

That's very interesting...I wonder what the difference is as to why one coach would get at least one P4 offer every season, and why others get one maybe once every 3 seasons or so.

Currently, it's been two years in my Dynasty since Clemson offered me the HC job. I've only gotten G5 HC offers (Eastern Michigan, Tulsa, Rice, etc.), as well as P4 and G5 DC/OC offers the past two off-seasons.

I've won 4 national championships in a row at this point...any and all P4 HC openings should be options for me when they open up, and none of the G5 coordinator deals should show up at all.

[jello1717]

What does it take for a guy to get a HC offer anymore?!?

That's very interesting...I wonder what the difference is as to why one coach would get at least one P4 offer every season, and why others get one maybe once every 3 seasons or so.

Currently, it's been two years in my Dynasty since Clemson offered me the HC job. I've only gotten G5 HC offers (Eastern Michigan, Tulsa, Rice, etc.), as well as P4 and G5 DC/OC offers the past two off-seasons.

I've won 4 national championships in a row at this point...any and all P4 HC openings should be options for me when they open up, and none of the G5 coordinator deals should show up at all.

This is just a theory out of the blue, but I’ve noticed patterns. It seems like most people that complain about not getting P4 HC jobs say stuff like you. “I’ve won 4 national championships in a row.” It seems like they all are Sabanesque and maybe the game is coded for schools to not offer jobs to those that are out of their league. I.e. Purdue or NC State would never offer Saban a job as they know there’s a 0% chance he’d accept it. Of course that doesn’t explain why Tulsa offer the Sabanesque coaches a DC position every year.

As for my personal situation, I’m definitely not Sabanesque, but more like Sweenyesque or Smartesque. I did win back to back national championships a few years ago, but those are my “only” 2 in 13 years. I’ve also only won 2 B1G championships (those same 2 years) in my 7 years in Ann Arbor.

[jello1717]

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That's very interesting...I wonder what the difference is as to why one coach would get at least one P4 offer every season, and why others get one maybe once every 3 seasons or so.

Currently, it's been two years in my Dynasty since Clemson offered me the HC job. I've only gotten G5 HC offers (Eastern Michigan, Tulsa, Rice, etc.), as well as P4 and G5 DC/OC offers the past two off-seasons.

I've won 4 national championships in a row at this point...any and all P4 HC openings should be options for me when they open up, and none of the G5 coordinator deals should show up at all.

I wish I knew what to say to those of you not getting offers. For ****s and grins I just simmed to the end of my new season. I went 12-1 and won the B1G. I was offered the 4.5⭐️ Washington job in week 1 and in week 2 the 3⭐️ MSU job plus a G6 job. I didn’t meet any of the desired categories for UW and only 1 of them for MSU. This is how it’s been for me in every year of my dynasty (except for the first year when I was a nobody, but I was still offered the Louisville job after year 2).

As a funny side note, i’ve played this game for 937 hours and have never won the Heisman, nor even come close to being a finalist. When I simmed this season I had an achievement pop up for winning the Heisman 🤪. What’s even funnier, I was in the preseason, so I hadn’t done my depth chart yet, so my SR QB was listed as my starter due to a higher OVR than the JR who has started for me since he was a true freshman, and will be my starter this year. This SR QB is the one who won the Heisman in this simmed season, but sadly won’t even start this year.

[pgaiser1]

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To people not getting very many HC offers, or at least not quality offers, what is your coach pipeline? Coach pipeline matters a ton for who offers you, so I wonder if choosing a pipeline that is high tier for more schools gives you more consistent quality HC opportunities.

For instance, my coach's pipeline (Tidewater) is T4 or T5 for nine schools and many of those have offered me HC jobs in my dynasty (PSU, OU, Clemson, Bama to name a few). For Wisconsin, only one school (UW) has it as a T4, then a handful have it as T1 and T2 and that's it. Maybe the game prioritizes pipeline synergies so much that if you have a pipeline that lacks T4 and T5 schools, you barely get offers.

[jello1717]

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To people not getting very many HC offers, or at least not quality offers, what is your coach pipeline? Coach pipeline matters a ton for who offers you, so I wonder if choosing a pipeline that is high tier for more schools gives you more consistent quality HC opportunities.

For instance, my coach's pipeline (Tidewater) is T4 or T5 for nine schools and many of those have offered me HC jobs in my dynasty (PSU, OU, Clemson, Bama to name a few). For Wisconsin, only one school (UW) has it as a T4, then a handful have it as T1 and T2 and that's it. Maybe the game prioritizes pipeline synergies so much that if you have a pipeline that lacks T4 and T5 schools, you barely get offers.

Michigan is my pipeline and it sucks. Only UofM and MSU are T5 and T4 for Michigan. If you go down to T3 only PSU, Purdue, and Wisconsin have a T3 Michigan pipeline. Yet I still get offers, although those schools with T3 and above offer me often. But Washington only has a T1 Michigan pipeline and still offered me and Louisville offers me all the time with a T2 Michigan pipeline.

[mtoo22]

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I wish I knew what to say to those of you not getting offers. For ****s and grins I just simmed to the end of my new season. I went 12-1 and won the B1G. I was offered the 4.5[emoji294]️ Washington job in week 1 and in week 2 the 3[emoji294]️ MSU job plus a G6 job. I didn’t meet any of the desired categories for UW and only 1 of them for MSU. This is how it’s been for me in every year of my dynasty (except for the first year when I was a nobody, but I was still offered the Louisville job after year 2).



As a funny side note, i’ve played this game for 937 hours and have never won the Heisman, nor even come close to being a finalist. When I simmed this season I had an achievement pop up for winning the Heisman [emoji2957]. What’s even funnier, I was in the preseason, so I hadn’t done my depth chart yet, so my SR QB was listed as my starter due to a higher OVR than the JR who has started for me since he was a true freshman, and will be my starter this year. This SR QB is the one who won the Heisman in this simmed season, but sadly won’t even start this year.

Alma mater: No means that they are hiring someone who doesn't have this school as the alma mater. So you do meet the category in that case.

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[jello1717]

What does it take for a guy to get a HC offer anymore?!?

Alma mater: No means that they are hiring someone who doesn't have this school as the alma mater. So you do meet the category in that case.

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True, but so do probably 99.5% of other coaches. It’s not like saying “we want a multiple offense guy, so we’ll choose from the ~10% of coaches that match.”

[mtoo22]

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True, but so do probably 99.5% of other coaches. It’s not like saying “we want a multiple offense guy, so we’ll choose from the ~10% of coaches that match.”

Exactly. I think Alma Mater should just boost you. Not be something they ARENT looking for. No school says we are NOT going to hire you if you went to school here.

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[jello1717]

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Exactly. I think Alma Mater should just boost you. Not be something they ARENT looking for. No school says we are NOT going to hire you if you went to school here.

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I’ve always interpreted it as either “yes, we want an alum,” or “no, we don’t care whether or not he’s an alum.” Not as “no we refuse to hire an alum.”

[falcor1234]

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My experience was i went to the playoffs at tcu got no major offers. Won the natty my second year. Still no big time offers. The third year i made the playoffs lost the second round but it was the first year i had got the program builder. Got the Ohio State offer and i was there alum and Ohio pipeline. Maybe it was a fluke or maybe bigger programs value program builder or ceo. Not sure but leaning maybe 60% sure they value it over like a recruiter or tactitian ect.


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