Madden NFL 15 Continues A Long Tradition of No Penalties

[treq21]

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I suspect it will be a long time, if ever, that anything like that is incorporated into this game. I expect it to go more towards the tournament crowd with every passing year.

The people who want actual sim football is very, very small, unfortunately.

[jfrost32]

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I personally think the online gaming and tournaments have ruined basically every sports title for years. I'm sure there have been plenty of complaints from mostly online players losing games due to penalties and tournaments being decided on a PI call or something like that. And again like I stated the casual gamer wants to play the game but wants it to be an arcade experience where they can just go out and bomb 60 yard passes every time and win 75-10. This is why I haven't bought madden in years

[jfrost32]

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Personally it doesn't bother me. I am someone who grew up in an era where penalties were rarely called, especially the ticky tack BS that is called in today's NFL (aka NBA with pads). I like my games to be decided by the players not the refs.

Then you don't want to play the game of football then. In every sport around the world there are games decided by refs whether it be a penalty in the nfl, a foul in a basketball game or a foul in a soccer game. Its part of the game, and if people can't accept it then they are not fans of the sport plain and simple. I know there shouldn't be a random feeling but for instance if you decided to slam the sprint button in lets say nba or fifa and you take out a player then its a foul every time. So lets take madden, how would you feel if you pass the ball to a receiver and the other player rams your receiver off his route and its an incomplete pass? I would want a defensive PI called on me because that's so unsportsmanlike and childish.

[jfrost32]

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And before the causal gamer hammers me for offending them, I just have one word that is crucial in every sport you play in life...its called DISCIPLINE. Learn it

[Sheba2011]

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Wow! I guess you and those like me want very different games . . . I struggle to understand how someone could want to play an NFL football game that did NOT replicate the real NFL in something as important as penalites.

Be that as it may, I continue to hope that Madden will eventually make a football game that does, in fact, replicate football . . .

If we had a game that 100% reflected the real NFL, most people here would hate it. Where does the "replicate football" end? Do you want real life budget management for CFM mode as well, one where you need to be a CPA to balance? Do you want to have real contracts where you have to hire a lawyer just to understand some of the verbiage used? Should they add a Rex Ryan mode where your coach accidentally uses time outs at the wrong time? How about a Justin Blackmon mode where your star WR turns out to be a psychotic addict who can't stay out of trouble? This is all stuff that replicates the real NFL that everyone here says on a daily basis they want.

Or are you like me and want some of the real NFL but not all of it because it is still a video game. I want the game as lifelike as possible but at the end of the day it is about having fun. I don't enjoy watching a game in which there are so many penalties, one of the reasons I stopped watching the NBA years ago. I am not against having accurate penalties but I would want working sliders so I can adjust it. I don't want to see incidental contact or defensive holding penalties every other play. Neither is right or wrong just a different view on the game of football.

[Boilerbuzz]

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The penalties were definitely better in 2k5,and to add more "salt to the wound"....2k5 actually had offsetting penalties,when has Madden had this?

Agreed. No one says it was completely sim because some penalties would be hard to implement without being completely random. But the ones that were there were no more random than any other aspect of the sport. It wasn't 100%, but it was a vital part of the game. That's the point. And there were sliders for them too!

[charter04]

Madden NFL 15 Continues A Long Tradition of No Penalties

When I say I want real penalties I don't mean I want an automatic 4-7 a game. I don't want random penalties just to keep stats right any more than I want Random incompletions. I want things to work lifelike. There are games were an NFL team has only 1 or 2 penalties in real life.

The reason for penalties in the first place is to allow skill to win over cheating. In real life I mean. When I play basketball we call our own fouls. Yes we call them. If a guy shoots a jump shot and the defender hits his arm it makes him miss the shot. It wasn't the shooters lack of skill or the defenders skill. It was a foul that did it. That's the point of penalties.

Right now the only two penalties I can think of that work that way in Madden is offsides and intentional grounding as a user. I've had guys hard count and draw me offsides. I've messed up and hit the throw away button in the pocket. I want all penalties to work like this.

Pass interference is already there it's just not called. I've had guys running for a completion and had the defender interfere with him and I miss the pass. It should be a flag.

The other key is the sliders. If someone wants more to be called they could. If none then fine.

Ultimately if penalties were done right, skill would be even more important than it is now.

[NimitsTexan]

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If we had a game that 100% reflected the real NFL, most people here would hate it. Where does the "replicate football" end? Do you want real life budget management for CFM mode as well, one where you need to be a CPA to balance? Do you want to have real contracts where you have to hire a lawyer just to understand some of the verbiage used?

That is a bit of a straw man, and you know it. A realistic simulation of a financial system in a football game would no more require a CPA or a law degree than a realistic simulation of a running game requires attendance at an NFL training camp.

Should they add a Rex Ryan mode where your coach accidentally uses time outs at the wrong time? How about a Justin Blackmon mode where your star WR turns out to be a psychotic addict who can't stay out of trouble? This is all stuff that replicates the real NFL that everyone here says on a daily basis they want.

Player suspensions for off-field behavior, and more accurately representing the foibles of real NFL coaches, would be welcome additions, as long as they were done with subtlety and finesse.

[DaSmerg]

Penalties in Madden in its current 'game state' just isn't going to work. The base game play, player animations and interactions have remained relatively static and unchanged for pretty much an entire generation...that is...Xbox360/PS:3 and now the first X:1 & PS:4 release.

So for right now, no, adding penalties to the mix would be IMO ugly and simply adding a randomly generated stat line.

At some point in the future, if this title can finally evolve and have some proper physics, some proper ball physics and trajectories and animation system. Then sure and yes, get penalties back in there and bring the gauntlet of them and put them in place with a proper risk-reward system.

P.S. casual Madden players and/or casual NFL gamers is a myth. Like many before have said, this arcadey Madden product is one part marketing and two parts catering to the wam-bam I'm done online gamers and tournament players.

Also I don't see anyone mentioning the NFL's role in this. This is their licensed product after all and I would bet that they have a fair amount of input into what they would like and what they want to see in their virtual official product.

[CrackerJackJones]

EA SPORTS does not make sim sports titles only casual games. They want their games to be accessible to a much broader audience. EA SPORTS BIG was the casual gamers field but it is cheaper to make sim/arcade style games to kill two birds with one stone. Madden will never be sim. Look at NBA LIVE 15 nothing sim about it just a good looking game made to playable and fun just like Madden and FIFA. I'm sure that 2k would have made on hell of a football game but we may never know.

[JHTJ]

Its crazy to me how superior NBA2K15 is to Madden 15. I am a diehard Football fan, and just a casual NBA fan - but I haven't even thought of playing Madden since ive purchased NBA2K. It is a better representation of the sport, more aesthetically pleasing, deeper in every mode, and a better overall experience.

I cant help but think there are tens of thousands of highly impressionable kids picking up these games and being influenced as they align themselves with a sport of choice. One they will invest in, emotionally and financially, for a lifetime. The NFL surely knows this, or maybe they don't. Hell, maybe I'm wrong. Time will tell I guess.

[jfrost32]

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That is a bit of a straw man, and you know it. A realistic simulation of a financial system in a football game would no more require a CPA or a law degree than a realistic simulation of a running game requires attendance at an NFL training camp.



Player suspensions for off-field behavior, and more accurately representing the foibles of real NFL coaches, would be welcome additions, as long as they were done with subtlety and finesse.

Subtlety and finesse is not in the EA dictionary with any of their games lol

[Majingir]

Is this really surprising? EA Sports has this issue through all their games. NHL games have had a huge issue with penalties the past number of years. Madden is similar(but not as serious as NHL) and FIFA you don't really ever see cards handed out either.

[jeremym480]

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If we had a game that 100% reflected the real NFL, most people here would hate it. Where does the "replicate football" end? Do you want real life budget management for CFM mode as well, one where you need to be a CPA to balance? Do you want to have real contracts where you have to hire a lawyer just to understand some of the verbiage used? Should they add a Rex Ryan mode where your coach accidentally uses time outs at the wrong time? How about a Justin Blackmon mode where your star WR turns out to be a psychotic addict who can't stay out of trouble? This is all stuff that replicates the real NFL that everyone here says on a daily basis they want.

Yes to all.

[Fist Of Kings]

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I'll have to disagree with people hating this game if it were realistic. The NBA 2K series is highly regarded as a sim and it's one of the more popular sports games. The biggest complaint I read about NBA 2K15 are server issues, which is nothing compared to the basic gameplay problems with Madden, both this year's game and the past games in the series.