IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking?

[DMorganU44]

Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

Amen! I'm just think back to when CFM came out in Madden 13, and I can't think of hardly any big, actual improvements. It has been tweaking to scouting, XP, things like that.

Meanwhile, other video games are making entire game modes over 1 year. And the sad part is, they don't seem to run into the same problems or excuses EA runs into year after year.

I play The Show and NBA 2k all the time. I have never had to post on the forums because year in and year out they give me what I want. However with Madden, I feel like I have written a books worth trying to get them to put even just a little of customization to the rosters in CFM.

I gave the dev from "Other Football Game" some flak because in all of his interviews he basically saying a bunch of "we want" and "if's". To me all of this talk about the future of CFM is pretty similar situation which is basically I'm tired of the lip service and want to start seeing results.

M16 will be the 4th Year of CFM and it's time for them to show me something. I'm not talking about them slightly tweaking or improving this or that (that is already in the game), I'm talking about real significant ADDITIONS.

Plus, I remember the same posters and game changers saying (back in that time) that with a team working exclusively for the next gen, and everything being written from scratch for the new engine and chip capacity, the implementations in upcoming Madden would be easier. We just needed to be patient because it was year one in CCM. It would be a step back, to give two ahead.

Welp, we are in year 4th and we can´t even edit our players equipments and numbers.

let it marinate a little bit...

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

Welp, we are in year 4th and we can´t even edit our players equipments and numbers.

You sure about that?

[jpdavis82]

Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

Plus, I remember the same posters and game changers saying (back in that time) that with a team working exclusively for the next gen, and everything being written from scratch for the new engine and chip capacity, the implementations in upcoming Madden would be easier. We just needed to be patient because it was year one in CCM. It would be a step back, to give two ahead.

Welp, we are in year 4th and we can´t even edit our players equipments and numbers.

let it marinate a little bit...

Were in year .5 of Kolbe & John. The previous years of CFM were Looman's vision in place. This is not the 4th year for Kolbe & John it's the first half year.

[roadman]

Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

Were in year .5 of Kolbe & John. The previous years of CFM were Looman's vision in place. This is not the 4th year for Kolbe & John it's the first half year.

JP, can't you see, though that people are tired of the excuses and waiting?

[Toupal]

Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

Were in year .5 of Kolbe & John. The previous years of CFM were Looman's vision in place. This is not the 4th year for Kolbe & John it's the first half year.

...and the excuses continue.

I just want results!

[DMorganU44]

Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

You sure about that?

you say before or after the start?

[GiantBlue76]

Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

Were in year .5 of Kolbe & John. The previous years of CFM were Looman's vision in place. This is not the 4th year for Kolbe & John it's the first half year.

And when it gets to year 3 and they move on, will it be, "we are in year 1 with (insert new guy name here). The previous years were that crappy vision that Kolbe and John had! Wait until you see (insert new guy name here)'s vision!".

It's all good. They have a right to their vision, but with limited choice, you will get this back and forth for the foreseeable future. Expectations here are not unreasonable, though. People here don't ask for a lot. 95% of what I see people asking for on OS (and a lot of other forums and discussion sites) is something they already had before, either in older maddens or other games. They aren't even asking for some super innovative thing or ground breaker. It's a shame so much time has been wasted and so little progress made. I see things like MyLeague and the depth and I can't lie - it's actually depressing. I can't help but say to myself, "why did it have to be football?".

Like I said, expectations are built from what a user has already experienced. People are seeing the depth of the other sports games, and the progress along with the customization and these types of things are becoming the norm.

Tiburon needs to do what they need to do and it's their right to do it how they want. It just really sucks for people who want more than what is being offered and have grown tired of the constant excuses, 3 year plans and all of the other bull that comes with the game every year. It is what it is.

[bucky60]

Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

Were in year .5 of Kolbe & John. The previous years of CFM were Looman's vision in place. This is not the 4th year for Kolbe & John it's the first half year.

JP, can't you see, though that people are tired of the excuses and waiting?

It's always somebody's first .5 or first year.

And I did hear Kolbe talk about XP/Goals/RPG as the future.

[jeremym480]

Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

Go back and listen to both interviews with Shop and Kolbe. Almost none of that is for the casual CFM fan. Also pay attention to when Kolbe talks about the list he got from us and the feedback we gave them. There's a nugget there that most people missed about the future.

If you guys want to speculate and think you know more about the direction of CFM then I do when I talked to Kolbe and John in person for over an hour each, that's fine but don't be surprised when you see what they reveal for CFM in the future versions.

I'm not sure if this is against the rules or not (if it is the mods can delete)... I'm not comparing games or bashing devs. I'm just showing how devs can get guys like me on their side.

A bit of back story: When NBA 2K came to Next Gen a lot of people were upset with them taking out Association and add a restrictive MyGm mode in it's place. There was a lot of anger from the community because of this. Before NBA 2K15 came out one of their devs posted a wishlist thread and here's my post in that thread. I bolded parts of 2k15 that was added:

Spoiler

Dave, first off thanks for coming here and listening to our input. A lot of guys around here have some great ideas and I'd love to see them implemented in 2k15.

I'm at work and don't have a ton of time, so I'm going to keep this short and to the point.. If I had to sum up what I want to see in NBA 2K15 with one word that word would be OPTIONS.

Personally, I'm already enjoying MyGm as is and I'm sure it will only get better once the 3rd patch hits. With that said I've seen many around here calling for the return of Association Mode. Which I think is fair, especially for those who like to mimic real life. However, if we had options in MyGM I think we could have the best of both worlds in one mode.

Options I would suggest would be like the ability to change season length, let us edit players (ratings, numbers and appearance) during MyGm, give us the capability to approve/veto CPU trades, allow us to reset someone's morale (*this wasn't added, but they added a morale slider) as we see fit, create a manual injury system so we can replicate real life easier, let us change our opponents uniforms (like we could in the past, etc.

One other thing I want to mention is what has been the #1 item on my 2k wishlist for years now and that is the ability to intervene in games. I have the request in more detail in the OP of the thread linked in Post #3 if this needs more explanation. Honestly, I don't have the time to play all 82 games with 12 minute quarters, plus the playoffs (if we make it). Therefore, if we had the ability to join simmed games or sim a game that we've started (and rejoin if need be), then that would be awesome.

Lastly, I'd love to see the D-League make a return and I'd like to see the new CBA included. I know that not many teams have their Amnesty left, however things like GM's not being about to trade players within six months of trading for them would be a nice addition.

That's all I have for now and if I need to go into more detail about anything that I listed above, please let me know.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...wish-list.html

Now what they did was add a new mode called MyLeague which was basically the old Association Mode on steroids. Hell, they even gave us even more control and customization than even I was asking for.... so if anyone ever wonders why I'm a NBA 2k Homer, this is why. It was great when 2k15's info was released and I saw that maybe, just maybe what I posted made a difference.

I've been on OS for almost 7 years now and I've seen wishlist threads pop-up every year and never once have I seen them really take our CFM input and run with it. The guys in control of CFM just seem to march to the beat of their own drum a bit by adding stuff that people really aren't asking for. Which is fine because it is their game, but that's part of the reason why guys here are hesitant in buying into the "wait for next year" stuff. Hopefully, they're ready to really start building onto CFM, but forgive me if I'm in "I'll believe it when I see it" mode.

[charter04]

Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

Were in year .5 of Kolbe & John. The previous years of CFM were Looman's vision in place. This is not the 4th year for Kolbe & John it's the first half year.

How many times have I heard basically this same thing.

Looman's "vision" was not in place. He said he wanted CFM to be like NFL Coach. For some reason he couldn't get it done. I'm guessing limited resources or people telling him he couldn't do that.

Why would I believe these new guys will fair any better?

[DMorganU44]

Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

Were in year .5 of Kolbe & John. The previous years of CFM were Looman's vision in place. This is not the 4th year for Kolbe & John it's the first half year.

jp, you always here trying your best, and I appreciate your hard work, but I read the same thing when Looman took over.

Maybe is my frustration with the Al Golden way to have an excuse for everything, but the trend is the same.

Same speech and same vision (XP/Goals, no edit, etc...)

At least Looman´s tweet about the "little things" opened my eyes early to his vision of Madden

[jpdavis82]

Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

jp, you always here trying your best, and I appreciate your hard work, but I read the same thing when Looman took over.

Maybe is my frustration with the Al Golden way to have an excuse for everything, but the trend is the same.

Same speech and same vision (XP/Goals, no edit, etc...)

At least Looman´s tweet about the "little things" opened my eyes early to his vision of Madden

It may or may not end up making a big difference, but I think it's a big deal that Kolbe & John are right there at Tiburon and not off in another state developing CFM. I think what you guys will see is a CFM that goes along with the rest of the game a lot better than what we have seen in the past. Like I said it may not make a big difference, but at least on the surface level, it would make sense if the team has a lot more chemistry and develops the game with the same vision in mind across the board if they are in the same building. You can call it an excuse or whatever you want, but the bottom line is that Kolbe & John worked on CFM for .5 of this cycle and Josh did the first half. I said this last week and I still believe it, I think people will feel about CFM in the future, the way that they are about gameplay this year.

[capa]

Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

Were in year .5 of Kolbe & John. The previous years of CFM were Looman's vision in place. This is not the 4th year for Kolbe & John it's the first half year.

JP,

Really appreciate all the work you are doing to bring the clips and new features for 16 to light here. It is great that you took this one and I know many appreciate it.

That being said...you hit my button with that statement about it is first year for these guys. The other guys here have already said it well...we have heard the same thing about 3 year plans and starting over for what seems like decades. This type of explanation just does not cut it anymore.

We have no choice but to wait. But...in any other major business this type of excuse or "strategy" would never fly...I am not sure why it has thrived at EA.

C

[MajorSupreme]

Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

It may or may not end up making a big difference, but I think it's a big deal that Kolbe & John are right there at Tiburon and not off in another state developing CFM. I think what you guys will see is a CFM that goes along with the rest of the game a lot better than what we have seen in the past. Like I said it may not make a big difference, but at least on the surface level, it would make sense if the team has a lot more chemistry and develops the game with the same vision in mind across the board if they are in the same building. You can call it an excuse or whatever you want, but the bottom line is that Kolbe & John worked on CFM for .5 of this cycle and Josh did the first half. I said this last week and I still believe it, I think people will feel about CFM in the future, the way that they are about gameplay this year.

Hold up just a minute. Were Kolbe and John brought in mid-dev cycle? Does that mean what ever Looman had planned got cut out so their implementations get in? If so, and though I don't run a business, that sounds like a horrible way to run things. Unless I'm completely missing what you are saying, then I apologize.

[jpdavis82]

Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

Hold up just a minute. Were Kolbe and John brought in mid-dev cycle? Does that mean what ever Looman had planned got cut out so their implementations get in? If so, and though I don't run a business, that sounds like a horrible way to run things. Unless I'm completely missing what you are saying, then I apologize.

No it means that half of what Josh wanted and half of what Kolbe & John wanted was put in. I just wish everything Kolbe and John wanted was going in, people would probably feel a LOT different about CFM this year and the direction of CFM for the future, but unfortunately there wasn't enough time. There are the things that Kolbe & Shop hinted at in the interview though and Kolbe even says how many of those they went after on that list.