Is The New Aggressive Catch Overpowered? (Possible Tweak Coming In Tuning Update?)

[DiddyGotGrillz]

Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Of course it is! We had ONE guy make ONE spectacular catch last year, and now it will be all we see in Madden 16.

Of course, I'll buy it - but this is exactly what is wrong with Madden (and has been for years.) At least FIFA and NHL are right around the corner.


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[BTW]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Everyone,

Know this is a little off-topic, but I've been trying to get confirmation that Sim-A-Win is available in offline CFMs as well? Would appreciate it if you could take a couple minutes to check it out. Thanks, and can't wait to get the game next week!

B

[SwaggerCoach]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

this time me Denver vs cpu Browns

three wr set vs nickle cover 3 with D.T. running a fly route vs Haden.
4 for 10 aggressive catch , Haden had no picks.
three wr set vs nickle cover 3 buzz press.
8 for 10 aggressive catch. Haden no picks.

Default All Pro.
I'm starting to think Taller DB's play aggressive catch better when your pressing the wr. Haden 5'11, Sherman 6'2
when playing taller wr's.

Urlacher, do you mind testing the same setup but with safety help over the top? I'd like to see the success rate in double coverage.

Thanks!

[Gorilla Glass]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

It's not OP yet, but just wait til guys get Lab time.

That's when the tears make Noah spin in his grave.

[msdm27]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Posting this with the outmost respect for the devs, in this case Rex

I'm sorry, but the statement about the OP catches being due to DC design and bigger rating differences between players in the mode is flat out proof that SIM is not the end game with EA.

Ratings shouldn't matter, heck! If OBJ was alone in a practice field catching passes with no DB on him, he'd have a hard time producing any of the catch animations shown in vids so far... Bottom line is: those catches should happen rarely, regardless of who is covering who. Yes, superstars might have a higher probability of producing such catches, but not at that rate.

Problem for EA is: creating the new catch animations is not worth it for them unless they can be triggered often enough for a dude playing the game for the first time to see them. And that's where they lose any SIM aspirations

This goes basically for any feature they make, that's why everything is so unbalanced... They need to make sure the features they work on are showcased on an every game basis, instead of tuning them for things to happen in a SIM way.

Answer to the thread question is: yes, they are OP... You can choose to ignore second-hand evidence and find out for yourself and that's cool... But I think we all know the answer by now.

[roadman]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Answer to the thread question is: yes, they are OP... You can choose to ignore second-hand evidence and find out for yourself and that's cool... But I think we all know the answer by now.

Sliders should help this on my end, WR catch, QB Accur, etc...... if it is indeed over powered.

Not a sports game I've ever owned that I didn't mess with sliders out of the box to get the game that I wanted out of it.

[msdm27]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Sliders should help this on my end, WR catch, QB Accur, etc...... if it is indeed over powered.

Not a sports game I've ever owned that I didn't mess with sliders out of the box to get the game that I wanted out of it.

Do we know that? Has anyone tested sliders to see how they affect outcomes?
I'm yet to see an alternate animation where, after an OP catch animation is triggered the pass doesn't end up complete so I have my doubts.

No game is ever optimal without some slider tweaking, so that's not the point... Now it would be cool if we had enough sliders (working ones at that) to tweak the game to our liking, but that's a different topic :/

In the end, the game looks very enjoyable and I'll make the best of it because, well I have an imagination and can live with some wonky stuff happening, it just irks me that there is such as disconnect between what EA preaches and what they deliver.

[roadman]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Do we know that? Has anyone tested sliders to see how they affect outcomes?
I'm yet to see an alternate animation where, after an OP catch animation is triggered the pass doesn't end up complete so I have my doubts.

No game is ever optimal without some slider tweaking, so that's not the point... Now it would be cool if we had enough sliders (working ones at that) to tweak the game to our liking, but that's a different topic :/

In the end, the game looks very enjoyable and I'll make the best of it because, well I have an imagination and can live with some wonky stuff happening, it just irks me that there is such as disconnect between what EA preaches and what they deliver.

I have faith in our slider makers here, I was one of them on LG. If they figured out how to rid Robo QB last year(this year that seems to be fixed) and nerfed the sack issue last year, we'll be fine.

All the YTbers and people who get the game early, they just open up the case and get the game up and running. They don't do slider adjustments, etc....

And yes, some online features like h2h and MUT won't be helped with sliders. I just don't venture online with any sports game.

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Sliders should help this on my end, WR catch, QB Accur, etc...... if it is indeed over powered.

Not a sports game I've ever owned that I didn't mess with sliders out of the box to get the game that I wanted out of it.

I really hope that they can but I'm more skeptical about sliders being able to fix something like this than I ever have about fixing any previous issue. Certain things kind of circumvent the sliders and I just have a feeling these will be one of them. It's like the Pro-Tak broken tackle I mentioned before. You could have break tackle at 0 or tackling at 100 and, yeah, it might happen less but it would still happen. And with a lot of these catches it seems like sometimes the catch is predetermined. And you could lower QB accuracy but I feel like all it will do is just make it so that the animations can't or won't trigger because they are tethered to ball location. And then if you have to have WR catch at like 10 or 20 to make sure every jump ball is hauled in that could wreak havoc on regular catches.

I don't know, at this point I'm probably just paranoid because of how good everything has seemed up to this point. I really, really want to be optimistic and until I get it into my hands I can't judge either way. And I'm not quite buying the whole DC is that much different yet. One of the E3 vids had Lestar Jean going up and making a one handed catch from Mark Sanchez in double coverage like it was nothing. But we'll find out in a few days and until then it's impossible to know until I've played a good amount of games.

[urlacher51]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Urlacher, do you mind testing the same setup but with safety help over the top? I'd like to see the success rate in double coverage.

Thanks!

Denver me vs cpu Jags
Three wr set vs Nickle cover two man, with D.T. running a fly route
3 for 10 aggressive catch, with one pick by the safty and one pick by the cb.

default all pro

[SwaggerCoach]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Denver me vs cpu Jags
Three wr set vs Nickle cover two man, with D.T. running a fly route
3 for 10 aggressive catch, with one pick by the safty and one pick by the cb.

default all pro

Awesome, man. Thank you so much for setting this up. This is good to know.

[roadman]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

I really hope that they can but I'm more skeptical about sliders being able to fix something like this than I ever have about fixing any previous issue. Certain things kind of circumvent the sliders and I just have a feeling these will be one of them. It's like the Pro-Tak broken tackle I mentioned before. You could have break tackle at 0 or tackling at 100 and, yeah, it might happen less but it would still happen. And with a lot of these catches it seems like sometimes the catch is predetermined. And you could lower QB accuracy but I feel like all it will do is just make it so that the animations can't or won't trigger because they are tethered to ball location. And then if you have to have WR catch at like 10 or 20 to make sure every jump ball is hauled in that could wreak havoc on regular catches.

I don't know, at this point I'm probably just paranoid because of how good everything has seemed up to this point. I really, really want to be optimistic and until I get it into my hands I can't judge either way. And I'm not quite buying the whole DC is that much different yet. One of the E3 vids had Lestar Jean going up and making a one handed catch from Mark Sanchez in double coverage like it was nothing. But we'll find out in a few days and until then it's impossible to know until I've played a good amount of games.

All slider testing works in a balance. A click here and a click there, until you start seeing results you enjoy.

I don't go to extremes right away.

[urlacher51]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

now just did a test with a wr with lower spc catch , 75. and 6'0 feet tall

me Denver vs cpu jags
three wr set vs nickle cover 3 press, Andre Caldwell running fly route one on one
5 for 10 aggressive catch with the CB getting three picks.
three wr set vs nickle two gap cover 3.
3 for 10 aggressive catch with the cb getting 3 picks.

default all pro.

[Bootzilla]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

On these aggressive catch opportunities, how many passes are actually off target? It seems as if every opportunity is contested with the ball being caught or broken up. If more passes were too high or off target the success rate would go down to a far more reasonable number. I'm thinking deep ball accuracy is too high.

[urlacher51]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

On these aggressive catch opportunities, how many passes are actually off target? It seems as if every opportunity is contested with the ball being caught or broken up. If more passes were too high or off target the success rate would go down to a far more reasonable number. I'm thinking deep ball accuracy is too high.

with peyton manning, some of the deep passes were off target, mostly because of pressure, but i didn't count those, because im testing aggressive catching. Meaning if the pass was way off target the aggressive catch icon wouldn't pop up.