Is The New Aggressive Catch Overpowered? (Possible Tweak Coming In Tuning Update?)

[roadman]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Here is a video from Shopmaster that is almost two months old. I almost forgot about this video.

The same concerns from E3 are reappearing close to release day.

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[IlluminatusUIUC]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

This video represents a much more realistic look at what is actually going on and shows off some counter strategies to the aggressive catch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXsN...ature=youtu.be

I thought Agressive catch was meant for situations where you wanted YAC and Conservative was for situations where you just wanted the catch. It seems like the end zone would be the place for conservative catches. I may be mis-remembering how the feature was presented.

[roadman]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

I thought Agressive catch was meant for situations where you wanted YAC and Conservative was for situations where you just wanted the catch. It seems like the end zone would be the place for conservative catches. I may be mis-remembering how the feature was presented.

https://www.easports.com/madden-nfl/news/2015/madden-16-passing-game

1. RAC CATCH

A RAC (run after catch) is a catch where the receiver turns up field during the catch with the intent to gain yards. RAC catches drive the receiver up field, to catch the ball in stride.

Players perform the RAC catch by holding X/Square once the pass is released. RAC’s have a higher drop and knockout chance, and are susceptible to interceptions when the pass is thrown into traffic.

2. AGGRESSIVE CATCH

The aggressive catch, or high-point catch, drives the receiver back to the ball to go up and catch it at the highest point possible. They can be used to fight back to the ball and challenge a defensive back going for an interception.

Players perform aggressive catches by holding the Y/Triangle button once the pass is thrown. Aggressive Catches are best utilized in combination with the high throw mechanic.

Aggressive catches have lower catch chances and higher knockout chances, but can be a formidable weapon when thrown to an elite high point receiver like Dez Bryant or Calvin Johnson.

3. POSSESSION CATCH

The possession catch is where the receiver protects the ball with his body and secures the catch at the expense of looking to gain yards after the catch. Possession catches are best utilized in traffic, and can also be used to force receivers to perform “get the feet down” catches near the sideline or back of end zone.

You can perform a possession catch by holding the A/X button once the pass is thrown. They are most effective with the low throw mechanic, and when thrown to slot/possession trait receivers.

They come at the expense of RAC yards, as receivers frequently go down immediately after the catch.

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Here is a video from Shopmaster that is almost two months old. I almost forgot about this video.

The same concerns from E3 are reappearing close to release day.

I think the more I think about it, I'm not sure how really OP it is but some of the catches definitely make it seem a lot more OP than it might be. Just from that video the Dez Bryant and A.J. Green catches stand out as moments that should be a 1-in-100 or even 1-in-1000 type stuff. I don't know if I've ever seen a guy make a one handed catch where you actually backhanded the ball like Green did in the clip and stuff like that just looks unnatural. But I don't know.

On a side note, that video also kind of explains why I didn't want to see the WR/DB interaction handled similar to the D-Line mechanics. To me it just tries to create some justification for ridiculous things happening. It seems like the "Play Ball" mechanic is basically looked at as a negative when it reality it should be the equivalent to the aggressive catch but on defense. The difference between a guy making a one handed catch in double coverage shouldn't be the fact that my player decided to play the ball. But I don't know, until I get the game it's meaningless. Definitely going to be the biggest thing I'm looking at while slider testing as soon as I get the game.

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

This video represents a much more realistic look at what is actually going on and shows off some counter strategies to the aggressive catch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXsN...ature=youtu.be

That's a great video and I think more videos like that showcasing routes against corners just one after another and the different outcomes would definitely help thwart some of the fears. It is hard that most of what we've seen has been on Pro or even All-Pro and highlight reel type vids but showcasing something like that of different receivers going on different corners over and over again would have gone a long way in tempering the worries I think.

[munky1307]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Why don't we all relax guys. Wait until you play the game before you start crying foul and declaring a loss for M16. Remember that this type of interaction has been begged for FOR YEARS. Now we have it. Let's not make EA regret listening to us before we even get it in our hands.

Oh and by the way, AJ Green is a beast... [emoji41]

http://youtu.be/sEJ09OydyJQ

[The JareBear]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Why don't we all relax guys. Wait until you play the game before you start crying foul and declaring a loss for M16. Remember that this type of interaction has been begged for FOR YEARS. Now we have it. Let's not make EA regret listening to us before we even get it in our hands.

Oh and by the way, AJ Green is a beast... [emoji41]
http://youtu.be/sEJ09OydyJQ

There's absolutely nothing wrong about having a civil and constructive conversation about the game. Nothing bad is happening in this thread. There are more than enough videos online of the game being played for people to have questions/concerns.

Again, I haven't seen a single person say "I don't want aggressive receivers," or anything like that. The discussion is simple: is the new mechanic overpowered in favor of the offense, and if so, how do we balance it fairly.

No big deal, in my opinion.

[Hassan Darkside]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

A question I have that may have been answered already, but do all receivers have access to all aggressive catch animations? For instance, if I have Jason Witten on a go-route and aggressive catch, will he attempt OBJ-esque diving one handed catches?

My thought is sort of like how dunk packages are in basketball games. Almost everyone can dunk but not everyone can do windmill dunks.

[munky1307]

Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

There's absolutely nothing wrong about having a civil and constructive conversation about the game. Nothing bad is happening in this thread. There are more than enough videos online of the game being played for people to have questions/concerns.

Again, I haven't seen a single person say "I don't want aggressive receivers," or anything like that. The discussion is simple: is the new mechanic overpowered in favor of the offense, and if so, how do we balance it fairly.

No big deal, in my opinion.

This wasn't directed at you. Your responses (and most people's to be fair) are civil and reasonable. There are some that are borderline "hair on fire". My point? We'll all find out soon but let's at least give a little credit to the devs for listening and making an attempt (again you have so not directed at you).

I think the possibilities with this going forward are very exciting. I'm hoping one handers are rare but they do happen and I bet we see a lot of things in Madden we only hoped about previously. I'm trying to stay optimistic. Last years game was very fixable with sliders. Let's hope it's the same this year of defaults cause extremes.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

https://www.easports.com/madden-nfl/...6-passing-game

Ok, I gotcha. So if you are throwing a jump ball then go Aggressive, but if you are throwing to the side/end line or trying a low pass to the pylon, go Possession.

[Find_the_Door]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

I have been thinking that the Nickel 2 Gap is part of the answer to many run plays, like the 01 Trap, that were very effective in M15...They apparently also changed how 4-3 defensive linemen attacked gaps; in M15 whenever I saw a 4-3 defense, which was set with one DT at the 1/2 gap and the other DT at the 3 gap, it was a sure thing that Trap 01 was going to get big yards, unless you adjusted the DT's to crash the middle, but the CPU didn't do that, so easy yards..

Don't even have to do that, for some reason zones "underneath" made the 3 tech come roaring down the pipe.

[Find_the_Door]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

"Why would you aggressive catch a crossing route"
You would aggressive catch a crossing route when a DB on the backside or over the top is breaking on the ball (vs. going for a knockout with play receiver). I think one key point here that people keep forgetting: The aggressive catch and RAC catch mechanic ALTER THE RECEIVERS PATH TO THE BALL. For years you guys have been asking for a mechanic so that receivers can 'fight back to the ball'. The aggressive catch is that mechanic. RAC's move the receiver up the field. Aggressive Catches come back to the ball. Hope that helps clear things up.

"Why would you possession catch a deep pass?"
If it is the back of the end zone and you need to trigger a 'get your feet down' catch, you would use possession on a deep pass.

"Why would you hit RAC on a curl route?"
Glad you asked! Remember in past Madden's where you throw a curl route and the receiver 'comes back' to the ball and you lose 3 yards. So in M16, if that curl is open, use the RAC mechanic to A) prevent the receiver from coming back to the ball and B) Catch the curl and quickly turn up field to gain yards.

This all sounds fantastic. Just happy for once that Dez will be accurately represented. Hopefully people will have to use the secondary hot routes to double and bracket him more often than not. Should be able to get away with simple cover 1 or cover 3 single high shell coverage against Dez.

[Find_the_Door]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

A question I have that may have been answered already, but do all receivers have access to all aggressive catch animations? For instance, if I have Jason Witten on a go-route and aggressive catch, will he attempt OBJ-esque diving one handed catches?

My thought is sort of like how dunk packages are in basketball games. Almost everyone can dunk but not everyone can do windmill dunks.

This is a good question. I think there's something tied to jump and stuff that enables certain catch animations. I've never been able to get Witten to make catches like Dez does in years past on Madden.

[roadman]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

This is a good question. I think there's something tied to jump and stuff that enables certain catch animations. I've never been able to get Witten to make catches like Dez does in years past on Madden.

I think it's called players traits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9tOb0dUTqk&feature=youtu.be

This is a video by Simfballcritic, 5 minute quarters.

I counted 7 pass breakups. After seeing this video, I don't have any concerns left about the WR catch being over powered, even on aggressive.

[zrohman]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Please don't make this a big deal. User catches have been absolutely dreadful the past few years.. for once it looks like God positioning and a good receiver can actually catch something... Enough whining and user catches won't even be possible