EA you guys made an AWESOME game. Please don't cave in to the complainers

[Redog156]

Re: EA you guys made an AWESOME game. Please don't cave in to the complainers

nothing about the player movement in this game is "awesome". EA's idea of representing momentum is entirely broken. You just simply do not have the precise control over players that you should. NFL players routenly make full speed cuts and change direction, thats why they are in the NFL because most normal humans can't do that. This simply is not represented in Madden.

Not to say its not an enjoyable video game, it is... it just doesn't really play like the sport does. Just plays like madden.

[xXShowstopperXx]

Re: EA you guys made an AWESOME game. Please don't cave in to the complainers

The only two issues I have with this game is the lack of user input in the passing game particularly on defense and the XP inCFM being so low (not saying it should be jacked way up, just give us a bit more than we currently are given). Other than these two things the game plays and feels much better than 15. At the very least everything has imo gotten better. QB accuracy is beautifully done, CPU AI is much better (QBs don't take 15 sacks a game), the tackles are much more dynamic (I stood up a RB with Kendricks and switched to Alonzo to hit stick him and he fumbled). And as others have stated the ratings matter way more and I love the way they have been toned down a bit.

Just because some people have problems with certain aspect of the game (even ones that others may disagree are problems at all) doesn't mean that they (or me) can't acknowledge that the game is very good. If it weren't for those two issues it'd be my favorite Madden of both this and last generation; and if those two things are not a problem for you then I can totally see people absolutely loving this game.

Also I'm not too worried about the glitches because I'm sure they'll be patched soon. Things that need to be tuned may be easier but I'm more worried because you never know how much EA actually thinks they need to be tuned (XP, aggressive catches) but you know EA thinks the offsides glitch needs to go, lol.

[Find_the_Door]

Re: EA you guys made an AWESOME game. Please don't cave in to the complainers

Go play h2h and say this...

[The 24th Letter]

Re: EA you guys made an AWESOME game. Please don't cave in to the complainers

This poster said if better than I can....

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Aggressive catch is the least of the problems on defense. Zone defense on this game is just bad.

I am so sick of calling some version of cover 3 and watching a WR run free 60 yards downfield against 4 verticals because this game doesn't have any form of realistic pattern matching.

Man defense is fine, until the CPU/your opponent realizes that all they have to do is call verticals and then hit the HB out of the backfield, who is open every single time. Or they hit a TE on a corner route or a quick drag/slant and he is wide open.

Without appropriate pattern matching schemes on defense, there is no way to stop modern offenses and the kinds of route combinations that have evolved to destroy both man defense and traditional drop zone schemes.

You can come close to replicating a lot of the stuff that teams do in real life on offense, but defensively things are way outdated. Most defenses call some form of cover 3 or quarters coverage (or a split field coverage where they are playing cover 2 to one side and quarters coverage or man on the other side) as their primary coverages. There are teams that basically play quarters coverage (i.e. cover 4) almost every snap, and that is not close to viable on this game. Neither cover 3 or cover 4 is replicated well on this game because of the lack of realistic pattern matching. That is a big problem. Way bigger than these over the top one handed catches that everybody is crying about.

It's a fun game, but the defense, especially the zone coverage is still lacking. I feel like this in combination with the trench game being nerfed allows guys way to much time to dice you up with your guys not reacting realistically in their coverage....




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[Gman 18]

Re: EA you guys made an AWESOME game. Please don't cave in to the complainers

" Please dont cave in to the complainers "- EA is a video game company. People have every right to complain about the stuff thats broken in the game. CFM is the buggiest mode of all and all it got this year were a few minor additions. Well its right to praise the devs for what they have done right, you gotta call them out on not testing CFM enough.

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[SyncereBlackout]

Re: EA you guys made an AWESOME game. Please don't cave in to the complainers

I'm very pleased with the game but I have a "minor" suggestion/enhancement... Rather than drive goals im more interested in season goals and weekly goals (which you currently provide)

[mr_dukes]

Re: EA you guys made an AWESOME game. Please don't cave in to the complainers

I'll pick up the game after the first patch

[NDAlum]

Re: EA you guys made an AWESOME game. Please don't cave in to the complainers

nothing about the player movement in this game is "awesome". EA's idea of representing momentum is entirely broken. You just simply do not have the precise control over players that you should. NFL players routenly make full speed cuts and change direction, thats why they are in the NFL because most normal humans can't do that. This simply is not represented in Madden.

Not to say its not an enjoyable video game, it is... it just doesn't really play like the sport does. Just plays like madden.

I disagree and would say the difficulty in changing direction is closer to the sport and taking it away would be Madden.

There is so much technique in setting up your feet to get in and out of cuts and you sure as heck aren't entering and exiting at full speed. No idea where you are coming from.

[roadman]

Re: EA you guys made an AWESOME game. Please don't cave in to the complainers

" Please dont cave in to the complainers "- EA is a video game company. People have every right to complain about the stuff thats broken in the game. CFM is the buggiest mode of all and all it got this year were a few minor additions. Well its right to praise the devs for what they have done right, you gotta call them out on not testing CFM enough.

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How about a current developer calling themselves out?

Ah, another broken reference.

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[4thQtrStre5S]

Re: EA you guys made an AWESOME game. Please don't cave in to the complainers

I believe a slight adjustment to defensive line pressure would help in multiple ways - you reduce the time the QB has to set up longer passes, hence the aggressive catch, for those who think it is OP, will have some relief, and allow DB's to cover better...Though some adjustments in coverage may be an additional bonus...I cannot determine which defense is more ineffective due to the longer time QB's have in the pocket, M2M or Zone...Granted 4 man rushes shouldn't be generating any more sacks, but just more pressure.

Essentially, adjust defensive side of the ball, and leave the offense alone..

[Phobia]

Re: EA you guys made an AWESOME game. Please don't cave in to the complainers

nothing about the player movement in this game is "awesome". EA's idea of representing momentum is entirely broken. You just simply do not have the precise control over players that you should. NFL players routenly make full speed cuts and change direction, thats why they are in the NFL because most normal humans can't do that. This simply is not represented in Madden.

Not to say its not an enjoyable video game, it is... it just doesn't really play like the sport does. Just plays like madden.

I disagree and would say the difficulty in changing direction is closer to the sport and taking it away would be Madden.

There is so much technique in setting up your feet to get in and out of cuts and you sure as heck aren't entering and exiting at full speed. No idea where you are coming from.

To piggy back off of this and then into the threads main point.

Cutting this year is easily the best it has been represented in years. I truly feel EA should entertain the communities ideas, but comments such as this just show "some" of the community have no idea what they want. I've seen some of the most contradictory statements come out of the communities mouth. "The pass rush is BROKEN, BROKEN I TELL YA! There is zero time to throw, blitz get through instantly!"......Following year...."OMG WHERE IS THE PASS RUSH! EA does not have a clue what they are doing".

The large loud part of the madden community has no clue what they want. Year in and year out its bitching just to bitch. Now I'm not directing this at you Redog, I'm just commenting on a trend around here.

Lets use one more example, we have all complained the WR DB interactions needed some love. This year we got what by many is considered a great step forward. Instantly the board goes nuts aggressive catch is OP, passing game broken, yadda yadda. I'm not seeing it, if anything I've seen the opposite. DB's win far more of the aggressive battle even against top rated WRs. It looks very realistic now and makes the passing game feel realistic.

Lets look at some examples.
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• #3 - "low rated" guy making excellent catch....looks unrealistic to me
• #2 - Big receiver going up for ball....looks realistic
• #1 - Yup the NFL over did the aggressive catch

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• #5 - Great example low rated WR can go up TRIPLE coverage and come down with "aggressive catch"
• #2 - Oh look the DB doing the aggressive catch also
• #1 - Yup looks like madden

Now to the point of the thread. EA PLEASE just make small minor adjustments, please for the love of football.......Don't break the game with a patch!!!!!!!!!

[roadman]

Re: EA you guys made an AWESOME game. Please don't cave in to the complainers

Phobs, did you have a chance to listen to Rex's interview above?

He mentions he's disappointed how new people are just calling PA shots all game online and winning most of the battles.

It's in the beginning if you get a chance, but yeah, I don't have an issue with it, either.

[Phobia]

Re: EA you guys made an AWESOME game. Please don't cave in to the complainers

Phobs, did you have a chance to listen to Rex's interview above?

He mentions he's disappointed how new people are just calling PA shots all game online and winning most of the battles.

It's in the beginning if you get a chance, but yeah, I don't have an issue with it, either.

Yea but see that is not a game issue, its a PLAY CALLING issue. Sure calling jump balls to Megatron over and over in real life would have good benefits but it would also not be realistic. Now reason its more effective in game, AI controlled little colored animation figures don't have a brain to adjust like players/coaches do in real life.....so naturally you will see slightly decrease effectiveness of that situation in real life. Now even with them knowing Johnson is getting jump ball over and over in real life they would still struggle to stop him.....period, he is big, he is strong, and he is that good.

So while I agree with ol Mr. Rex. Its a pain in the *** to see many of the things cheap little kids do online. Yet this is not just a Madden problem, this exists in all competitive online games. The most effective weapon is spammed, the most effective tactic, most effective character, etc etc.

Its a fundamental issue of people and their character online. I take my winning serious, but not at the sake of pissing in someones day. I'll play the game realistic and if I win I hope we both had a fun experience, if I lose I hope the same. Sadly this is not the environment of the online landscape, instead we are faced with a culture that takes enjoyment in being a jerk hidden behind the internet.

LOL So my statement to Rex, you can only fix the game so much. At a point you can't correct peoples behavior.

[dubplate]

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To piggy back off of this and then into the threads main point.

Cutting this year is easily the best it has been represented in years. I truly feel EA should entertain the communities ideas, but comments such as this just show "some" of the community have no idea what they want. I've seen some of the most contradictory statements come out of the communities mouth. "The pass rush is BROKEN, BROKEN I TELL YA! There is zero time to throw, blitz get through instantly!"......Following year...."OMG WHERE IS THE PASS RUSH! EA does not have a clue what they are doing".

The large loud part of the madden community has no clue what they want. Year in and year out its bitching just to bitch. Now I'm not directing this at you Redog, I'm just commenting on a trend around here.

Lets use one more example, we have all complained the WR DB interactions needed some love. This year we got what by many is considered a great step forward. Instantly the board goes nuts aggressive catch is OP, passing game broken, yadda yadda. I'm not seeing it, if anything I've seen the opposite. DB's win far more of the aggressive battle even against top rated WRs. It looks very realistic now and makes the passing game feel realistic.

Lets look at some examples.
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• #3 - "low rated" guy making excellent catch....looks unrealistic to me
• #2 - Big receiver going up for ball....looks realistic
• #1 - Yup the NFL over did the aggressive catch

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/kp7qonEjKFc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

• #5 - Great example low rated WR can go up TRIPLE coverage and come down with "aggressive catch"
• #2 - Oh look the DB doing the aggressive catch also
• #1 - Yup looks like madden

Now to the point of the thread. EA PLEASE just make small minor adjustments, please for the love of football.......Don't break the game with a patch!!!!!!!!!

You are on point with this post. EA has finally put out an amazing game and people still find things to bitch about. I DO NOT find the aggressive catch to be an issue at all and I've played my last few games with catching at 65 for both HUM and CPU.

Every now and then I see a great catch, but more often than not the DB is able to make a play and knock the ball loose. It works great for me.

[xXShowstopperXx]

Re: EA you guys made an AWESOME game. Please don't cave in to the complainers

I honestly don't think the aggressive catch is the problem. The problem is the defense, particularly zone, sometimes just doesn't work. What I mean is you'll be in a Cover 3 and they will run a post route, your CB and WR have a catch animation play out while your deep safety just stands there instead of making a play. Other times he cuts in front of the WR and CB and picks it off. It's real hit or miss ad to if the safetys will do anything at all. So when people say they caught over double coverage if you take the time to look most times its really just them catching over the corner with the safety just kinda being there. The big issue isn't the aggressive catch it self its that as a defender, even if you have inside position you're kinda stuck having to out-jump the WR (from behind) instead of just playing the ball.