Interview with Clint

[roadman]

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Oh yeah, for sure, it's a ton of fun when art imitates life in your CFM when Rodgers goes down for 9 weeks with a broken collarbone and in comes Brett Hundley.

I couldn't do squat with Hundley at the helm.

A person couldn't write a better script.

Realism fun is over-rated. lol

[canes21]

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Oh yeah, for sure, it's a ton of fun when art imitates life in your CFM when Rodgers goes down for 9 weeks with a broken collarbone and in comes Brett Hundley.

I couldn't do squat with Hundley at the helm.

A person couldn't write a better script.

Realism fun is over-rated. lol

This is why we need all of the customization we can have. I lost my QB for the season in the first week of the year in 2 straight years last time I played a CFM with a buddy. I enjoyed it and it is more memorable than any super bowl year. I made the playoffs in one season without him.


One of my most memorable seasons of football in any game was one year of NCAA where I was playing with jjarod's black sliders, struggling to win the ACC with Miami. I finally built a team that was favored to win it all in the preseason. All was well, I was winning like I should, boom lost half of my offense to injuries(back when you had to mass edit your whole team -70 injury basically) and I didn't even win my division. I loved it.

[4thQtrStre5S]

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So it wouldn't be fun to have to decide which QB to start and play, having a REAL injury system implemented?

Can you define "real" for me? I am not trying to be a smarty, but my idea of real may be different, and I want to make sure we are on the same page.

I gave the example of a QB having a sore arm after a sack and requiring a rushing play to be used the next down. That is a little different than a QB going down and having to use a backup for the rest of the game or for a few weeks, or more.

So from one comment about a QB being hurt, we have multiple potential "real" scenarios to choose from. Which should be used in a video game and which shouldn't?

Do we want real PED suspensions to deal with?

There has to be limits within reality for any game to be enjoyable for the most consumers possible.


In NCAA Football they would simulate a part of home field advantage by causing the play art for the visiting team to be blurry until the QB established a few good plays. Would it be fun if a similar effect was applied after a QB was sacked, so the next play there was a blurring of the play art? (heck, that actually might be rather cool)

[briz1046]

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Do we want real PED suspensions to deal with?

There has to be limits within reality for any game to be enjoyable for the most consumers possible.

The NFL wouldn't allow suspensions but yes please

To the second point that's why they need to provide customization options for as many aspects as possible

Provide as much authenticity as they possibly can squeeze into the mode and allow the consumer to cherry pick and modify their experience to cater to their own preference

[canes21]

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I'd take suspensions. Make it an on/off option and the expand on it with a frequency slider, maybe one for every position if you could. Out of the Park has players getting suspended for PED's and the majority of players love that feature. I love it as well.

[briz1046]

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I'd take suspensions. Make it an on/off option and the expand on it with a frequency slider, maybe one for every position if you could. Out of the Park has players getting suspended for PED's and the majority of players love that feature. I love it as well.

Roger won't let them though anyway

[DeuceDouglas]

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This is just semantics?

Maybe replacing the word 'fun' with ' interesting' or ' engaging' or dare I say it 'immersing ' ?

It really is. Nobody is asking for these things because the feature themselves are fun. If everything was put into that box hardly anything would ever make it into the game. Interceptions aren't fun, fumbles aren't fun, rejected trades aren't fun. You can have plenty of elements in your game that aren't fun and still be able to come to the conclusion that the game or that aspect of the game is fun. And of course for each game style it's going to be different. For competitive, fun is a fair game with minimal randomness where skill wins out. For simulation, fun is a game that is true to the sport and realistically replicates everything we see on Sunday. For Arcade, it's probably high scoring, big plays, big hits, etc.

I don't want an improved injury system or QB inaccuracies so I can get ecstatic when my QB or star RB goes down or when I overthrow a swing pass to my RB. I want it so I'll have to consider whether or not to draft that running back with 72 injury. Saying those things aren't fun is just a quick way to shoot them down that you can't really argue partly because it doesn't really have anything to do with why people would want to see them in the game in the first place.

I think a problem they have is that when they look for features or things to add, it has to be something considered fun for everybody. And what that does is severely limits the scope of what can or will be added and pretty much defeats the purpose of carving out three specific game styles meant to be able to separate fun from simulation and competitive.

[K_GUN]

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You would think that adding customization would be their number 1 priority and actually save them a lot of time in the end. They spend so much time tweaking and trying to figure out what action satisfies the highest percentage of users and ultimately a large group of people are upset.

They are adding cool new features but i get no sense they want to put the ball in our court with customization.

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No way they’ll customize....they need yearly sales....if i could set up the game to my liking....with FULL customization (ie ratings/player editing)....why would i need to buy another game from them?!


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[kennypowers88]

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No way they’ll customize....they need yearly sales....if i could set up the game to my liking....with FULL customization (ie ratings/player editing)....why would i need to buy another game from them?!


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Funny, I just posted about this. But 2k seems to do just fine. So do management simulators. A good company that provides substantive improvements when releasing a game should have no problems marketing and selling their product. If they're genuinely avoiding customization for this reason, this game is in big, BIG trouble.

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[K_GUN]

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Funny, I just posted about this. But 2k seems to do just fine. So do management simulators. A good company that provides substantive improvements when releasing a game should have no problems marketing and selling their product. If they're genuinely avoiding customization for this reason, this game is in big, BIG trouble.

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I disagree. It’s the only NFL game in town

It will sell


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[briz1046]

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No way they’ll customize....they need yearly sales....if i could set up the game to my liking....with FULL customization (ie ratings/player editing)....why would i need to buy another game from them?!


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Just as a for example, no amount of editing tools will get you to RPM in any previous Maddens, any reasonable improvement would still sell , just as it does now
Indeed allowing more customization and thus allowing people to enjoy the product in ways they like would probably drive sales rather than reduce them

[kennypowers88]

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I disagree. It’s the only NFL game in town

It will sell


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I agree...

Doesn't "it will sell" completely undermine your previous point though? Not sure I follow...

Either the devs need to limit customization for sales, or they don't. It can't be both...

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[K_GUN]

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I agree...

Doesn't "it will sell" completely undermine your previous point though? Not sure I follow...

Either the devs need to limit customization for sales, or they don't. It can't be both...

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It would sell but....maybe retention of customer is diminished

Id buy a completely customizable game but...why would i need to keep buying future versions if i have complete customization?


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[briz1046]

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It would sell but....maybe retention of customer is diminished

Id buy a completely customizable game but...why would i need to keep buying future versions if i have complete customization?


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Because they will always be able to add/ improve things that even full customisation can't do

[canes21]

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It would sell but....maybe retention of customer is diminished

Id buy a completely customizable game but...why would i need to keep buying future versions if i have complete customization?


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The same reason we buy other games that offer so much customization like NBA 2k or Out of the Park. They introduce new things to the game(that can also be customized) that are worthwhile and really add to the game making it easy to continue to support them and buying the new and improved game.


Maybe with Tiburon's past I can see where you are coming from. If they offered the customization we are asking for, but still only added to the game at the rate and quality they do now, it'd be hard to want to buy it yearly. If they were to give us the customization and were able to improve their games like other developers do that offer the customization, then they'd be getting big sales every year.


I buy NBA 2k and I don't even really follow basketball, but they allow so much customization and have such deep modes now, plus they add to their gameplay each year that I come back. MLB The Show doesn't do that and I don't buy it yearly despite baseball being my top 5 favorite sports before football, which I don't buy Madden yearly either.


Baseball
Football
Hockey
Basketball


That is how I'd rank the sports personally, yet here I am not having bought Madden in year, I don't buy The Show yearly anymore, and I buy NHL every other year at the moment, but I am playing NBA 2k. Why? Because they do what we are all asking for in this thread. Same reason why I buy Out of the Park every single year.