WR not attacking the ball on deep 50/50 balls

[brutusbrown1998]

Re: WR not attacking the ball on deep 50/50 balls

Turn down speed threshold? And yes I'm sure having a 99 speed wr be able to burn the whole defense multiple times per game is good for balancing. You shouldn't expect anymore than 1 or 2 fly routes to work, that's in Madden and real football. There's a reason they don't just sign a bunch of track guys and Chuck it downfield to them all game.

1. I tried that it makes no difference.

2. That is realistic, the best wide receivers in the league like Antonio Brown for example, burn secondaries on a regular basis. The only time that they don’t it when they play the two or three best defenses in the league, like Houston a couple of years ago.


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[Smokewood]

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No, I want my 99 speed 99 acceleration WR to blow past much slower DBs/LBs like they should.

What I am saying is the CPU defense does not play to its players ratings. If it did it, then every teams defense wouldn’t feel like I’m playing the Seahawks defense when they won the Super Bowl a couple of years ago.


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Then their ratings are not high enough or yours are inflated somehow.

Simulation should simulate.

[aceoye]

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Even for users this doesn't work. I click on and press Y and they continue running their route or attempt a catch in stride or something without jumping. The DBs have so many animations to get a pick. The WRs have no animations for a catch unless they're wide open.

[Phillyboi207]

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If players actually played to their ratings in simulation, then every DB and LB in the league would not be running stride for stride with my 99 speed 99 acceleration WR on almost every play.

The players do not play to their ratings in simulation. Not enough anyways.


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What’s your WRs release/route running/ strength ratings?

[JustADashOfDak]

Re: WR not attacking the ball on deep 50/50 balls

1. I tried that it makes no difference.

2. That is realistic, the best wide receivers in the league like Antonio Brown for example, burn secondaries on a regular basis. The only time that they don’t it when they play the two or three best defenses in the league, like Houston a couple of years ago.


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Let me put this in perspective for you. Out of AB's 163 targets in 2017, 43 of them were deep routes. That's roughly 26 percent. 2.7 a game. Out of those 43 deep route targets, he caught 14. That's 32 percent. Less than one per game. So really, if you're getting more than one per game, you're playing at a higher level with the deep ball than AB.

Maybe you'll say AB had an off year with the deep ball. Okay. Tyreek Hill (the best deep threat in football) had 24 deep route targets on 105 targets. That's 23 percent of his targets. He caught roughly 13 of those. 54.2 percent, less
than 1 per game.

Links:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...at-wrs-of-2017

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...H/HillTy00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...B/BrowAn04.htm

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/fantasy-football-metrics-that-matter-the-leagues-best-deep-ball-receivers

[stinkubus]

Re: WR not attacking the ball on deep 50/50 balls

Since there are no 99 SPD, 99 ACC players on the stock rosters you guys are giving them more of a response than they deserve, but kudos for the references anyway.

[Smokewood]

Re: WR not attacking the ball on deep 50/50 balls

Since there are no 99 SPD, 99 ACC players on the stock rosters you guys are giving them more of a response than they deserve, but kudos for the references anyway.

If my receiver has a higher speed than your DB and I have a step or two on him... how can you justify that he can catch up?

[mixxx01]

Re: WR not attacking the ball on deep 50/50 balls

Even for users this doesn't work. I click on and press Y and they continue running their route or attempt a catch in stride or something without jumping. The DBs have so many animations to get a pick. The WRs have no animations for a catch unless they're wide open.

I must say when I high point the ball for shorter throws I see the jump ball animation on deeper routes I don’t get it.


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[stinkubus]

Re: WR not attacking the ball on deep 50/50 balls

If my receiver has a higher speed than your DB and I have a step or two on him... how can you justify that he can catch up?

A poor throw would be the most likely in game culprit.

[JustADashOfDak]

Re: WR not attacking the ball on deep 50/50 balls

If my receiver has a higher speed than your DB and I have a step or two on him... how can you justify that he can catch up?

What's the DBs coverage ratings? His acceleration? Whats the equation for a WR to win a route? What WR is so much faster than what CB?

[Smokewood]

Re: WR not attacking the ball on deep 50/50 balls

What's the DBs coverage ratings? His acceleration? Whats the equation for a WR to win a route? What WR is so much faster than what CB?

I can see you are not capable of having this discussion, but i'll try again.

A fly route and a perfectly thrown ball is assumed here.

Question:
If I have a speed of 85 and you have a speed of 75 and I have 2 steps on you, should it be possible for you to catch up to me?

[stinkubus]

Re: WR not attacking the ball on deep 50/50 balls

I can see you are not capable of having this discussion, but i'll try again.

A fly route and a perfectly thrown ball is assumed here.

Question:
If I have a speed of 85 and you have a speed of 75 and I have 2 steps on you, should it be possible for you to catch up to me?

Please produce video of a CB with -10 SPD catching up because I want to see the perfectly thrown pass that produces that result. I've been playing constantly since I got the game and I've yet to see anything remotely close to that.

[SilverBullet19]

Re: WR not attacking the ball on deep 50/50 balls

I can see you are not capable of having this discussion, but i'll try again.

A fly route and a perfectly thrown ball is assumed here.

Question:
If I have a speed of 85 and you have a speed of 75 and I have 2 steps on you, should it be possible for you to catch up to me?

Depends on acceleration, jumping, pass coverage, and ball placement.

If he has better acceleration, yeah, he might catch up.

If he has better jumping/pass coverage, he may be able to play the ball better in the air.

If the ball isn't thrown to be perfectly in stride, the DB can make a play on it.


There's lots of factors, it's more than just speed.

FWIW I don't have issues on the deep ball on all-pro or all-madden.

[stinkubus]

Re: WR not attacking the ball on deep 50/50 balls

Deep passing is ridiculously easy against the AI. Any play where they press, other than 2 Man Under, is almost a guaranteed TD. Against 2 Man Under I have to "settle" for 20-30 yds per attempt :P

[JustADashOfDak]

Re: WR not attacking the ball on deep 50/50 balls

I can see you are not capable of having this discussion, but i'll try again.

A fly route and a perfectly thrown ball is assumed here.

Question:
If I have a speed of 85 and you have a speed of 75 and I have 2 steps on you, should it be possible for you to catch up to me?

Well, if you have a speed of 85 and an acceleration of 75 and I have a speed of 75 and an acceleration of 85, yes.

That's why I asked the question.

I see you're not capable of reading, but maybe you're not completely blind and can provide something showing that this happens, because I sure haven't seen it either.