I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball.

[Momoney168]

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Two more games in today. I think that the threshold is something that’s effecting the INT slider. I traditionally play at 75 to 95. I played two games on AP with both INT sliders at 10. First game at 75 was a turnover fest by both teams. Second game at 50 and no picks and several swats. I think at 75+ the defenders are starting so close to the WR that the don’t have to reach for the swat animation. Also at higher threshold the CPU is having a hard time registering players as open. Going to try the same test on AM later.


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[roadman]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball.

I guess that shows we all play the game differently and test differently.

I am running a test in Franchise mode only on AP and have noticed lower

Int's by the CPU QB on 95 speed parity.

I'll continue playing this way in the test Franchise mode.

The 95 has been a breath of fresh air for me seeing too many int's before.

[Matt10]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball.

Two more games in today. I think that the threshold is something that’s effecting the INT slider. I traditionally play at 75 to 95. I played two games on AP with both INT sliders at 10. First game at 75 was a turnover fest by both teams. Second game at 50 and no picks and several swats. I think at 75+ the defenders are starting so close to the WR that the don’t have to reach for the swat animation. Also at higher threshold the CPU is having a hard time registering players as open. Going to try the same test on AM later.


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This was my finding as well. Traditionally love the higher threshold because it brings out the smoothest animations. However, EA's done a decent job at coverage this year, to the point that a higher threshold will increase a chance of mirroring of routes and has a chance of not allowing enough space for decision making like deflections/swats.

Here's a mix of plays that the CPU QB performs, as well as the user QB experience. There are so many cool things that happen when proper separation is established.

From my sliders thread, using Intentional Grounding set to Off as the latest testing theory:

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Slider Update Log
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8/23/2022: Thanks everyone for the early feedback on Set #1. I wanted to go over what I'm working on at the moment based on feedback and my own testing.

Interceptions: This has shifted a bit more in-focus for the current set, rather than prioritizing the All-Pro set.

At the moment I am trying to determine some values that may unlock a different perception. The working theory is turning off Intentional Grounding (IG).

I've used IG in the past as a means to get the CPU QB behavior to change. With IG off they tend to keep plays alive, and with it On, they tend to stick to their set traits. The theory I have here is that it's possible the defensive players know IG is On so they are hanging back in coverage, ready to pounce, because there is less of the perception the QB is going to extend the play - which would result in more options for a play to happen. With this year's Madden, for the first time that I can remember, the CPU QB is throwing more "dumb" picks than ever before. Once I turned off IG, they started to throw to mainly where their receiver can get it.

Here's some examples of some good throws, and some forced ones, with just off-target ones - and a random defensive PI:

Pass broken up, tight window:

https://streamable.com/77ds36

Defensive PI called against CPU:

https://streamable.com/vqj636

Nice pass sequence, capped off with some shifty moves:

https://streamable.com/ox5gd1

A nice toss from CPU to where DB just missed it:

https://streamable.com/4w9y6s

Usually results in a pick, but nice pressure and ends with a swat:

https://streamable.com/u8p1g2

Receiver fighting for the ball, but DB jars it loose for the incomplete:

https://streamable.com/csijor

Good pressure on the CPU QB, who is forced to throw off target:

https://streamable.com/uvito9

Usually a pick, but ends with a swat by the linebacker:

https://streamable.com/uk7c54

The difference between mediocre and elite in making this pass:

https://streamable.com/dwyb8w

Heck of a throw where only his receiver can get it, ruled no TD at review though:

https://streamable.com/s7eu53

[ForUntoOblivionSoar∞]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball.

I guess that shows we all play the game differently and test differently.

I am running a test in Franchise mode only on AP and have noticed lower

Int's by the CPU QB on 95 speed parity.

I'll continue playing this way in the test Franchise mode.

The 95 has been a breath of fresh air for me seeing too many int's before.

I don't know if this is coincidence or not, but at a very high parity, while coverage was better, I was seeing a lot of Trent Williams getting smoked by 72 OVR defensive ends.


I don't know why this would be, or if it has anything to do with it or is just coincidence, but more interceptions is more realistic to me than future 1st ballot Hall of Famer Trent Williams getting beat by anyone who isn't at the top of their profession.

[Richie71]

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I think I'm at something like 24 interceptions in 10 games. For reference, my last season on '22 was something like 5 in a season. Playing as Dallas, online solo franchise, All Madden 12 min quarters, 20 second accel clock. Sliders adjusted to drop pass accuracy and PD to around 40 (as per my 22 sliders) and now AI INT is now at 5 (was 25 or 30 in '22)



What I see is:
I make a lot of dumb mistakes in mis-reading coverage. Pre-snap is much harder this year, as is the immediate post snap. Along with not having adjusted to the playbook as I had over multiple seasons of '22. That's all fair and good.



There are some AI issues though!

• Pass protection is too shaky. I'm all for good pressure. Like the above post, I see Tyron Smith stand up as DEs run right by him. I see IOL guys touch nobody as a standard formation has DTs go right by them. Same happens in the running game. Not all the time, but enough to be considered not right.
• Play action is so poor that I don't think it's working at all. Even with an established running game, it does not affect rushers or coverage. Previously, an awful lot of my game was PA
• Finally, the AI catching is just too good. Any tipped pass will get caught. Once this was in my favour with a CB tipping and my WR catching the streak. more often than not, it's a tip and then another AI defender making the catch.

[roadman]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball.

I don't know if this is coincidence or not, but at a very high parity, while coverage was better, I was seeing a lot of Trent Williams getting smoked by 72 OVR defensive ends.


I don't know why this would be, or if it has anything to do with it or is just coincidence, but more interceptions is more realistic to me than future 1st ballot Hall of Famer Trent Williams getting beat by anyone who isn't at the top of their profession.

Well, I lowered speed parity to 60 last night and all Packer WR's

were open on every play and this game only 1 Int thrown.

Going down the preverbal rabbit hole with sliders.

I have run into tipped passes, but they are swatted to the ground,

not in anyone else's hands.

[King Gro23]

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[Richie71]

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This afternoon's game, Dallas vs Vikings, All Madden with low INT sliders, 12 minute quarters

Dak Prescott 20 of 27 for 132 yards, three TDs six INTs. Yes, only one in-completion!

Kirk Cousens 28 of 42 for 257 yards, 1 TD 4 INTs
Zeke and Delvin Cook both fumbled. Zeke at the 2, with 50 seconds left, and any score to take the lead. Cook was 21 for 145 and 4 TDs

[canes21]

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This afternoon's game, Dallas vs Vikings, All Madden with low INT sliders, 12 minute quarters

Dak Prescott 20 of 27 for 132 yards, three TDs six INTs. Yes, only one in-completion!

Kirk Cousens 28 of 42 for 257 yards, 1 TD 4 INTs
Zeke and Delvin Cook both fumbled. Zeke at the 2, with 50 seconds left, and any score to take the lead. Cook was 21 for 145 and 4 TDs

CPU vs CPU?

I'd try 10 minute quarters with accelerated clock turned off and seen if QB play changes at all.

[CujoMatty]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball.

I don't know if this is coincidence or not, but at a very high parity, while coverage was better, I was seeing a lot of Trent Williams getting smoked by 72 OVR defensive ends.


I don't know why this would be, or if it has anything to do with it or is just coincidence, but more interceptions is more realistic to me than future 1st ballot Hall of Famer Trent Williams getting beat by anyone who isn't at the top of their profession.

Couple things:

OS forum has really been focused on the interception issues but if you go on the Madden Reddit sub it's predominantly about the tackles and the blocking issues. I think it's safe to say they are both in need of some tuning.

Also, I'm sure you probably didn't notice but was the other teams momentum full when your tackle stopped blocking anyone? I've been really trying to figure out the whole momentum mechanic and it's effects and I noticed that the blown blocks happen just normally sometimes but if the other teams meter is full it's literally almost every play.

[NoleFan]

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So I started a new FOTF after finding out that I could reset my attribute allocations and bring my guy back to the default 73 OVR. I played the first 2 preseason games (3 total quarters) and have tossed 1 Int and 1 TD. I have been making sure I incorporated high passes with LB and low passes with down and to the right. The lone interception was on a 50-50 high pass on a go route. The DB tipped it but had the wherewithal to gather himself and get the pick and 2 feet down inbounds. Might've been cheesy but....

[Richie71]

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CPU vs CPU?

I'd try 10 minute quarters with accelerated clock turned off and seen if QB play changes at all.

Me (Dallas) vs Vikes as AI

[Therebelyell626]

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Yeah that’s bad…

Couple do quick questions

1) What difficulty?

2) Did you switch and user catch? And if so, what catch type did you use?

3) What is your quarterback rated, and what throw type did you use?

4) Did you use free form passing?

[Dazza1]

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INTs are just such a big problem with this game at the moment. I’m almost at the point of putting the game down. It’s a shame coz I feel it has real potential but the INTs just completely ruin it for me.


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[SituationSoap]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball.

Couple things:

OS forum has really been focused on the interception issues but if you go on the Madden Reddit sub it's predominantly about the tackles and the blocking issues. I think it's safe to say they are both in need of some tuning.

Also, I'm sure you probably didn't notice but was the other teams momentum full when your tackle stopped blocking anyone? I've been really trying to figure out the whole momentum mechanic and it's effects and I noticed that the blown blocks happen just normally sometimes but if the other teams meter is full it's literally almost every play.

Yeah, since ramping up the INT slider, I've been seeing fewer INTs from my QB. I've been playing as the Lions in Franchise, so the QB is Goff. Instead, I've been seeing him just miss horribly on short throws any time the other team gets the tiniest bit of pressure. Most of the time, it's sailing into an open area of the field, mostly because I'm still using the reticle to lead my guys into open spots on the field.

But the Lions are supposed to have a good offensive line this year, and there are still 3-4 plays per game were someone will just absolutely "Ole" a block like they're a bullfighter, and the dude will run right past him. Sometimes this is runs, sometimes it's passes. It's not that they lose the block, it's that they straight up don't block at all.

Which is maybe understandable/realistic if there's a good animation for it, but it winds up looking really weird when a guy doesn't move and a defender just runs past him with no slowdown.