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  • WDOgF0reL1fe
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    • Apr 2005
    • 3427

    #61
    Re: New Blog And Video (Tackling Engine)

    Looked good. But what about at 55 seconds? That kinda looked like an explosion animation...

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    • BrianFifaFan
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      • Oct 2003
      • 4137

      #62
      Re: New Blog And Video (Tackling Engine)

      I am happy that they've brought in a guy who worked with Fia and Homecourt. Now I don't know if he worked with the guys on Fifa08, but if he did, that is the best animated EA Sports title to date. And I can see the differences that the new animation system has made. Now I gotta agree with the guys who are rightly bringing up where it is still the same tackling AI with a animation upgrade. Since they've made it know that they have given up trying to implement In-game saves to tune instead, they really need to optimize the tackling/defensive pursuit AI. The fundimental problem is that it's too many 1 on 1 scenarios where the defenders have to get in line to take their turn at the ball carrier. They have to get it where 5 guys can all converge at the same point of attack at the same time. On the vid I actually saw where there were guys who had converged in the area in a realistic looking way. But they have to stand around or seem distracted by their offensive counterparts that are nearby. They are supposed to ALL go get the ball carrier. But it seems they can't. Of course Tiburon finally figured out how to get 2 man tackles right last year. (won't go there...)

      I think at my "sim" anal heart, this is the kind of approach that Madden takes that just erks me. Football is a team sport, not a glorified set of 1 on 1's. Most decent power runners are going to win those battles. OK they seem to have gotten it where a runner can break those tackles now. But it just amplifies how bad Madden's team defensive AI is. Things like the fact that a safety comes all the way over to get in the conga line on a breakaway run instead of heading on an angle for the pylon just looks terrible and "high school." And that you can easily break the pocket because the DL can't get out of the suction block and seems to only be able to focus on the battle with the OL. He's always supposed to be in pursuit of the ball and has to read and react. Same thing with LB's and safeties. This is why they made play action. To confuse those reads. Otherwise the D will have a natural advantage.

      There's just so much of Madden that is flawed. Down and distance don't matter. Fundimental coaching and football strategy don't. They have jukes to make every player into another Barry Sanders. And WWE-style hit sticks. You don't need all of that if you get the basics right. With proper blocking you can have the time for a decent receiver to get open. And with proper defensive AI you don't need every play to be a Ray Lewis highlight film. Please, I don't want everything now. Just use the time remaining to figure out how to get those guys from 2 yards away to where they need to be at the point of attack, and I'll be happy. And yes I know that they can't truly gang tackle yet..... But get it as close to "real" as possible.
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      • AJ21476
        Rookie
        • Jan 2003
        • 132

        #63
        Re: Madden 09: Tackling Engine Blog & Video

        Its the same every year and everyone gets hype only to be disappointed when the game comes out. The real truth on the game comes out about a week into the games release where you will see all types of EA Sucks threads.
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        • BrianFifaFan
          Semi-retired
          • Oct 2003
          • 4137

          #64
          Re: Madden 09: Tackling Engine Blog & Video

          Originally posted by AJ21476
          Its the same every year and everyone gets hype only to be disappointed when the game comes out. The real truth on the game comes out about a week into the games release where you will see all types of EA Sucks threads.
          I don't think the game sucks, per se. It's more that when they do something good it just tends to show the warts that much more. And with seeing how many other games this gen showing such advances, Madden looks more and more dated. And then the glitched and bugs start to show up after release. That's when the mud starts to fly. If you can't make it "new" at least don't send it broken!!!!
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          • coogrfan
            In Fritz We Trust
            • Jul 2002
            • 15645

            #65
            Re: New Blog And Video (Tackling Engine)

            Originally posted by Nza
            Maybe in 1 on 1 situations, but the video clearly shows the phenomena remains in 2 or more vs 1 situations. About a quarter through, Jacobs is down the sideline and a Pats defender takes out his legs, while the other is knocked over like a bowling pin.
            Not really. The second Pats defender (#27) fell down because Jacobs flipped over and collided with him on the way down. The "grenade explosion" animation we are talking about is the one where a defender goes flying for no apparent reason.
            Last edited by coogrfan; 05-15-2008, 07:17 AM.

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            • Nza
              MVP
              • Jan 2004
              • 3437

              #66
              Re: New Blog And Video (Tackling Engine)

              Originally posted by coogrfan
              Not really. The second Pats defender (#27) fell down because Jacobs flipped over and collided with him on the way down. The "grenade explosion" animation we are talking about is the one where a defender goes flying for no apparent reason.
              My post was in response to them fixing 1 on 1 situations where defender and ball carrier just run into each other without any real animation. They may have fixed that, but it clearly still remains for other defenders. It didn't look right for that situation, at the least they could make these extra defenders lead in with their shoulder and bounce off or miss entirely. It just so lazy and stupid to have a defender run into a tackle like that. Reminds me of cheap C grade karate movies where the bad guys just run in with no intent to really fight and fly off in some random direction.

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              • SteelerSpartan
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                • Apr 2007
                • 2884

                #67
                Re: New Blog And Video (Tackling Engine)

                Originally posted by Nza
                My post was in response to them fixing 1 on 1 situations where defender and ball carrier just run into each other without any real animation. They may have fixed that, but it clearly still remains for other defenders. It didn't look right for that situation, at the least they could make these extra defenders lead in with their shoulder and bounce off or miss entirely. It just so lazy and stupid to have a defender run into a tackle like that. Reminds me of cheap C grade karate movies where the bad guys just run in with no intent to really fight and fly off in some random direction.

                ha great analogy
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                • Steeler99
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 1655

                  #68
                  Re: Madden 09: Tackling Engine Blog & Video

                  Originally posted by Briankingsfan
                  I don't think the game sucks, per se. It's more that when they do something good it just tends to show the warts that much more. And with seeing how many other games this gen showing such advances, Madden looks more and more dated. And then the glitched and bugs start to show up after release. That's when the mud starts to fly. If you can't make it "new" at least don't send it broken!!!!
                  Great points!

                  I honestly don't see any "earth-shattering" difference between this video and 08'? If this is considered one of their biggest improvements for 09' I'd say their time would have been much better spent on implementing IN-GAME SAVES and ACCELERATED CLOCK.

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                  • callmetaternuts
                    All Star
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 7045

                    #69
                    Re: New Blog And Video (Tackling Engine)

                    Looked good....hard to tell alot from a highlight video though
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                    • PVarck31
                      Moderator
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 16869

                      #70
                      Re: Madden 09: Tackling Engine Blog & Video

                      Originally posted by Steeler99
                      Great points!

                      I honestly don't see any "earth-shattering" difference between this video and 08'? If this is considered one of their biggest improvements for 09' I'd say their time would have been much better spent on implementing IN-GAME SAVES and ACCELERATED CLOCK.
                      Really? So no gameplay improvements needed as long as they have In-game saves and accelerated clock? IMO the new tackling animations are a big difference.

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                      • FlyingFinn
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 3956

                        #71
                        Re: Madden 09: Tackling Engine Blog & Video

                        I didn't see 1 true gang tackle in that entire video.

                        Edit: The lighting in the stadium looks great. Th lighting on the players is pretty weak. There are bright spots where there shouldn't be (i.e. underarms) and there doesn't appear to be any self-shadowing.
                        Last edited by FlyingFinn; 05-15-2008, 09:00 AM.

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                        • myownsun
                          MVP
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 3238

                          #72
                          Re: Madden 09: Tackling Engine Blog & Video

                          Originally posted by AJ21476
                          Its the same every year and everyone gets hype only to be disappointed when the game comes out. The real truth on the game comes out about a week into the games release where you will see all types of EA Sucks threads.


                          Honestly i am NOT impressed at all, the animations are still stiff and the player movement is still
                          awkward and robotic. But i will wait and see how the game plays before i write it off as more of the same and another year without a FBgame.

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                          • myownsun
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 3238

                            #73
                            Re: Madden 09: Tackling Engine Blog & Video

                            Originally posted by Steeler99
                            Great points!

                            I honestly don't see any "earth-shattering" difference between this video and 08'? If this is considered one of their biggest improvements for 09' I'd say their time would have been much better spent on implementing IN-GAME SAVES and ACCELERATED CLOCK.
                            Agreed

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                            • marshallfever
                              MVP
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 2738

                              #74
                              Re: Madden 09: Tackling Engine Blog & Video

                              The game looks fantastic. This is definitely one year that i must purchase madden (Didn't purchase 08)

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                              • grunt
                                Banned
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 9527

                                #75
                                Re: Madden 09: Tackling Engine Blog & Video

                                If someone could post this on youtube. I can't get this at work.

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