Maddens legal battle starts today 09/14/2009!

[dizturbd]

Re: Maddens legal battle starts today 09/14/2009!

Why not get "invested" and sign up to be one of the class plaintiffs in the Pecover suit (I did). What do you have to lose?

Yeah, pay $60 to win $5 or $10. Just like a woman can save you money by buying stuff.

[Dmacho]

Re: Maddens legal battle starts today 09/14/2009!

The year that 2K5 came out it actually gained popularity over Madden. (look it up if you don't believe me.) The reason why Madden was so popular for so long was because it had been around for 12 years or so when 2K first came out. It's a shame that Madden got the license right when 2K football was starting to break through. Just look at the NBA Live series. Nba Live was more popular because it was around much longer than NBA 2K. Now look...2K basketball is much more popular than NBA live because they were actually given a chance to develop unlike 2K football unfortunately.

Perfect timing for EA, don't you think? EA didn't like the fact that 2k5 was best football game to be released at that point ; the NFL didn't like the fact that 2k5 was only 20 dollars.

[backbreaker]

Re: Maddens legal battle starts today 09/14/2009!

I don't care how frivolous, petty, misguided this law suit is. I really don't care for those who are consumers trying to be high minded about the situation. You should be pulling for the plaintiffs in this case. If a judge agrees to hear it, then he has a case. The only opinion that counts is the judge and for those who are making all these silly arguments to the contrary let it go.

Good luck to the plaintiffs and may it bring on a new era of video gaming football, one of which I enjoyed in the past, from gameday to madden to QB club to super tecmo to Joe Montana to NFL 2k. I played them all and enjoyed some. And now I'm stuck with a mediocre product with no alternative.

[GTheorenHobbes]

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Yeah, pay $60 to win $5 or $10. Just like a woman can save you money by buying stuff.

Actually, it doesn't cost a penny to "sign up". It's free to sign up to be part of the plaintiffs' class.

The story on the first page of the thread had the link...here it is:

http://www.hbsslaw.com/frontend?command=JoinClassAction&iLawsuitId=2062

[bizcanos]

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In order for this to go through, entire laws would have to be rewritten. I mean At&T and the iPhone, Bungie and Microsoft, Pixar & Disney...it's everywhere. When it runs out it runs out or the partnership continues. You shoulde be ale to sell you likeness, image, products to whoever the hell you want to. It's all about the cheese.

[roadman]

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Lol. I see your point. I have a PS3, so that isn't an issue for me.

The one thing that you are off on though is that it is not Baseball's fault that you, as a 360 only owner don't have a choice. The MLB agreement allows First party platform MLB games. If MS wanted to, they could make an MLB licensed game exclusive to the 360, just like Sony.

Your choices are not perfect, but they are better than the choice you have with an NFL game, and could be even greater if MS ever decided to develop their own MLB IP.

I know I would be ecstatic to have this as an option AT LEAST in the Football gaming scene.

Someone already nicely pointed this out to me in a previous post in here.

The only thing I will add is that for someone that is limited by their choices, no matter how you slice it, is still frustrating. Also, as I already pointed out, it's not as severe as the limited choice in football gaming.

[SoxFan01605]

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Why not get "invested" and sign up to be one of the class plaintiffs in the Pecover suit (I did). What do you have to lose?

I clarified that "invested" statement. My concern isn't what the outcome of this case is. It's for the doorway it could open based on the specifics of how the judge rules. I already stated I don't think it's a solid case in the long run. I also don't know that I like the precedent it may set. I won't actively stand in the way of someone pursuing what they feel is right though...if that's really what it's about.

I think this case will become about gaining some small sense of retribution in the form of personal compensation to those willing to jump on board. I'm not sure I buy into the "greater good" propaganda I see with supporters of this suit. I'm not saying this applies to anyone in particular here, but that's generally what these suits boil down to.

For me, it comes down to whether or not you believe the NFL can do what it wishes with it's own properties. I do. Now, if someone can definitively state something like an act of coercion on the part of EA in all of this, then I will gladly change my stance. I am far more suspicious of the NFL's practices involving it's properties than the video game company that purchased the rights to use them.

I agree with your premise though. If you feel this is a viable case and think it should be pursued, then there is nothing to lose from joining in.

[Echopax]

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Madden fans shouldn't worry if 2K comes back. You guys get Madden, 2K guys get 2K.

All is well, except for EA's bank account.

[GTheorenHobbes]

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For me, it comes down to whether or not you believe the NFL can do what it wishes with it's own properties. I do. Now, if someone can definitively state something like an act of coercion on the part of EA in all of this, then I will gladly change my stance. I am far more suspicious of the NFL's practices involving it's properties than the video game company that purchased the rights to use them.

Fair enough. I respect your opinion on the issue...and appreciate the civilized discussion throughout this thread.

[SoxFan01605]

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Fair enough. I respect your opinion on the issue...and appreciate the civilized discussion throughout this thread.

Same here.

[Bump101]

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Again, moot point. First off, thousands of threads on this board won't hold up in court. Second of all, it's not really EA's fault that the market hasn't responded to a competitors football game. If somebody comes up with something innovative enough people will buy it. Supposedly this Backbreaker game is out there waiting in the wings to steal Madden's thunder. Whether or not that is true about Backbreaker is irrelevant because the fact is companies are able to make football games and despite EA's competitive advantage they are in no way restricting innovation or new creations in the market place. Didn't I tell myself I needed to stop reading this thread? Oh well, work is boring right now.

How is my point moot, when EA is in court today for everything I pointed out? lmao. Whatever dude. Regardless of what you or me think, it's still up to the courts to decide, which means it's a 50% chance EA wins or lose this case.

[Moegames]

Re: Maddens legal battle starts today 09/14/2009!

wasnt it the NFL that approached EA and 2k with this deal first? If so how can EA be liable?

[capn_razzamataz]

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This is getting beyond stupid. I can't believe the idiocy of some people. Learn a thing or two about economy before you start tossing words like "monopoly" around, and stop bringing stupid lawsuits that are costing perfectly good people jobs.

And for the record, this is hardly the "start", people have tried this Lord knows how many times.

Exclusive access to a privately owned intellectual property is NOT a monopoly, as the owner of the I.P. may do with its private property whatever it damn well pleases. Beyond that, the industry in question is not "NFL Based Football Games", it's Video Games.

If some psychotic judge actually ruled in this lawsuits favor, the net effect would be that anything you come up with... a script, a song, a book, anything that can, under current law, be considered your intellectual property (or trademark) would no longer be yours. Anybody would be free to come along and jack your idea.

Allow me to spell it out a bit further; The National Football League (TM) owns trademarks and IPs for 32 NFL football teams. As such, they have the legal and ethical right to allow or disallow the usage of said properties at their discretion. To say that EA has a monopoly on NFL Football games is the same thing as saying Blizzard has a monopoly on Starcraft video games. Thus, a judge rules in their favor, you've got 17 different gaming companies putting out their own version of Starcraft... a property owned by Blizzard and thus rightfully theirs to profit from... just as the NFL license belongs to the NFL to profit from, and they chose to profit off of EA.

There is no illegality here. You don't have to like the way it works, but it is the way it works, and it's the right way.

Sorry I'm late to the party here, but I think you might be misunderstanding what some people are saying. I think all the "monopoly" cries are due to EA going out of their way to grab up the NCAA Football and AFL licenses right after they secured the NFL license. Basically giving them control of the top three (arguably the only 3) football markets with any real profitability.

I'm not saying I agree with these people, but I think there's a little more of a valid argument there than many think.

[GTheorenHobbes]

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Sorry I'm late to the party here, but I think you might be misunderstanding what some people are saying. I think all the "monopoly" cries are due to EA going out of their way to grab up the NCAA Football and AFL licenses right after they secured the NFL license. Basically giving them control of the top three (arguably the only 3) football markets with any real profitability.

I'm not saying I agree with these people, but I think there's a little more of a valid argument there than many think.

...Which is how the Judge in the Pecover case distinguished it from American Needle, despite EA's argument to the contrary. I'm not sure why some people don't (or refuse to) get this either.

[odbman]

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How is my point moot, when EA is in court today for everything I pointed out? lmao. Whatever dude. Regardless of what you or me think, it's still up to the courts to decide, which means it's a 50% chance EA wins or lose this case.

I hope you understand you can find an attorney to take any case to court in this country.Next point there are courts in this country pro business and others anti business.Even if EA loses it will be appealed chances our this case won't even get to the Supreme Court till about the time EA and the NFL exclusive rights are up.2013.