Will Madden 12 use the same engine from the previous 6 maddens on 360/ps3?

[adembroski]

Re: Will Madden 12 use the same engine from the previous 6 maddens on 360/ps3?

There is nothing 2k5, 2k8, or any other sports game has ever done that the existing "engine" in Madden can't accomplish. We simply have to get around too it. It takes time. I am not coping out here, I've only been with EA for 2 months, and before that I was on these forums saying the exact same thing. Since that time, I've dealt with a lot of people on the gameplay team and on the Madden specific team, and there's plenty of room for improvement, but we're getting there, one piece at a time.

I still think of Madden 10 as a first step. I kind of think of Madden 11 as a bump in the road... progress was made, specifically in the areas of locomotion and run blocking... but it wasn't the leap from Madden 10 that M10 was from M09. I think we're going to make up some of that difference this year.

Just my opinion, though. You can judge for yourself when we start releasing info.

I must say; I'm shocked people are bringing up Madden 08. Madden 01, I can see, but Madden 08? As is always the case, perhaps there are a few areas where it did something better than the current versions, but really? Madden 08? Really?

[MiNiDiTkA]

Re: Will Madden 12 use the same engine from the previous 6 maddens on 360/ps3?

There is nothing 2k5, 2k8, or any other sports game has ever done that the existing "engine" in Madden can't accomplish. We simply have to get around too it

Dont you think its about time you guys started "getting around to it"

I must say; I'm shocked people are bringing up Madden 08. Madden 01, I can see, but Madden 08? As is always the case, perhaps there are a few areas where it did something better than the current versions, but really? Madden 08? Really?

Yes really!

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[Hooe]

Re: Will Madden 12 use the same engine from the previous 6 maddens on 360/ps3?

Yes really!

All those double-team tackles in Madden 08 are canned animations. Those double team tackles played out the same way every time the animation engine cued them up to be played in the game, i.e. once you've seen all five double-team tackles in the game once each, you will continually see those same five tackles playing out the same way any time they are needed. Breaks the illusion of realism down quite a bit.

While the animations in Pro-Tak multiple person tackles are still canned, there is far more variance in how a second defender can add on to a tackler-ballcarrier interaction.

There really isn't a comparison between the two, IMO, with the distinct advantage going to the Pro-Tak implementation.

[Afrikan]

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please lets not bring ProTak into this.....and yes there is no comparison between the two regarding how it affects gameplay, I would rather have the old option................that is if these were the only two options available.

[MiNiDiTkA]

Re: Will Madden 12 use the same engine from the previous 6 maddens on 360/ps3?

While the animations in Pro-Tak multiple person tackles are still canned, there is far more variance in how a second defender can add on to a tackler-ballcarrier interaction.
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The only variance I've seen with a second defender in M11 is him falling down like a bowling pin. Hopefully M12 will have double hit tackles and improved animation.

[adembroski]

Re: Will Madden 12 use the same engine from the previous 6 maddens on 360/ps3?

Dont you think its about time you guys started "getting around to it"



Yes really!

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I saw the video the first time. It was terrible then too.

[kjcheezhead]

Re: Will Madden 12 use the same engine from the previous 6 maddens on 360/ps3?

I saw the video the first time. It was terrible then too.[/QUOTE]


And these are better?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHPLH8VIYfw

[MiNiDiTkA]

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I saw the video the first time. It was terrible then too.

So you're saying Madden 08 and 11 are terrible I actually think they're ok but if you say so

[guaps]

Re: Will Madden 12 use the same engine from the previous 6 maddens on 360/ps3?

There is nothing 2k5, 2k8, or any other sports game has ever done that the existing "engine" in Madden can't accomplish. We simply have to get around too it. It takes time. I am not coping out here, I've only been with EA for 2 months, and before that I was on these forums saying the exact same thing. Since that time, I've dealt with a lot of people on the gameplay team and on the Madden specific team, and there's plenty of room for improvement, but we're getting there, one piece at a time.

It's a bold statement to say that Maddens 'engine' is capable of delivering what we see in other sports games, because I've personally been waiting for more than half a decade to see it surpass 2k5. For years we've heard 'Don't judge us yet, wait for next year', but within the last couple of years other sports games (NHL, FIFA, APF, MLB The Show, NBA 2k) have raise the bar and left Madden in the dust.

I understand that you, as an EA employee with more insight than we have, are more positive about the outlook for the Madden franchise and believe that Tiburon will get it done, but as a gamer I cannot say that I am. The issue is, and this is just my opinion, that others games already delivers features like real-time physics, real-time presentation, better game modes, better football fundamentals etc. etc. and I just don't see how Madden 12 could awe the community by now. It has come to the point where I can only see Madden trying to catch up on the innovation shown by other sports games, because they've had too long a period of stale development.

On a side note, I find this whole process very similar to tale "The Emperor's New Clothes" where an Emperor gets a new suit of clothes that are invisible to the stupid or incompetent. And when the Emperor parades in his new clothes, a child cries out, "He isn't wearing anything at all!". Madden, too, was supposed to be the new 'emperor' of sports games when the current-gen consoles came (I remember the 2006 'next-gen' trailer), but it has come to the point where more and more people can see that "it isn't wearing anything at all".

One of my favorite descriptions of Madden here on OS was from a user - I cannot remember who - who wrote something similar to 'Madden plays a lot like football until you snap the ball'.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see Madden be on par with other sports games as I've stated many times, but I'm not holding my breath.

[gmen92]

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What I'm wondering is what happened to the double hit tackles that were in 08 but are missing in 11

Comparison video I made showing the difference in tackling between 08/11

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I would love to see what Ian has to say about this Video clip above with the comparisons of 08 vs 11?? I doubt he would, but i would really love to hear what his thoughts are on this... How can an 08 old verison of Madden have 2 man gang tackling but a NEW 2011 version not?? Aren't the new versions suppose to improve and have better features?? I just don't get it?? Are they going to do what they did with the Refs and take them out then put them back later as a new feature?? Please someone explain it to me like im a 5 year old...

[adfletch71]

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I think we as a community is tired of the excuses and the"not enough time wait till next year"line. We have been putting suggestion and insight for the last 6 years. What is so difficult with consecutive hit tackles and better kickoff blocking AI? AllPRO2K8 has it and it was developed back in 2007. So please give the insight on what's up? Just curious because we have been asking this for years now.

[4Frisco1Giant5]

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i truly believe that EA just doesnt care... why would they?
They own rights to the licence and have a monopoly on the fan base of NFL football games .
like all of you i have been hope for yearsssss that they do something to improve this game!! I am always dissapointed year after year!
To be real i get pissed off every year when i open the new madden and play it but i still buy it every year because madden football is still better than no football!
I guess i love paying $60 + tax for a seasons worth of roster updates........

[LiquorLogic]

Re: Will Madden 12 use the same engine from the previous 6 maddens on 360/ps3?

It's a bold statement to say that Maddens 'engine' is capable of delivering what we see in other sports games, because I've personally been waiting for more than half a decade to see it surpass 2k5.

I don't know if I would call that a bold statement. 2k5 was made almost seven years ago on an inferior platform. It's ridiculous that Madden hasn't surpassed 2k5 by now.

[guaps]

Re: Will Madden 12 use the same engine from the previous 6 maddens on 360/ps3?

I don't know if I would call that a bold statement. 2k5 was made almost seven years ago on an inferior platform. It's ridiculous that Madden hasn't surpassed 2k5 by now.

This is exactly why I'm calling it a bold statement. Madden hasn't, at least in my opinion, surpassed 2k5 as a football gaming experience, yet he claims that they can match every sports game on the market today if they had enough time.

The problem is that the other sports games are improving on a yearly basis as well and Madden might end up being the game that tries to add the things we saw elsewhere years ago. This is in itself not a problem, but Tiburon doesn't have the best track record of making features work properly from day one, but more recently have actually earned a new reputation of making them worse with patches.

[hyacinth1]

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Good points made.

Let me give an example of one thing I hate they do. Madden 10 had great graphics and big player models. It was great watching replays of that game. But in madden 11 they screwed up the graphics. The lighting used doesn't work. Makes this pastel glow from the players. Also I didn't like the smaller player models in 11. This is NFL football guys are big.

I guess they did this to the keels to improve gameplay but why minus one to plus the other? Why not give us both? If smaller game companies can ea surely can

I do think the guys making the games care about the final product. They are fans just lke us. But maybe the suits are the ones not giving enough freedom to the makers. I can understand that becuase it's a plan that has been successful for them in revenue.

I also agree the the same blueprint for a better word has been taken from last gen to this then. Again why change the formula when it's raking in mllions. I do hope 12 is mre in one with 10 with the good things 11 offered. After 10 I thoght the series was n track like NHL and FIFA. Hope that is still true.

And we buy it bec it the onl NFL game we have nowadays.