run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

[DJ]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Here's a simple list of schemes from the CC Manual and what I think they should be matched up as. I really like KingV2k3's idea of matching a generic playbook with the schemes. However using playbooks like the Lions or legends may still dumb down the CPU AI on first downs and such. So that's why my quick list avoids using them. You also have to be careful with legends as using Lombardi's I believe causes receivers to go into 3pt stances.

Coaching Scheme|Generic Playbook
Power Run = Run Balance
Zone Run = Run Balance
Spread = Run N' Gun
Balanced = Balanced
Balanced Offense = Balanced
Vertical Offense = Pass Balanced
West Coast = West Coast

Team Schemes List
Arizona - Power Run
Atlanta - Power Run
Baltimore - Power Run
Buffalo - Spread
Carolina - Balanced
Chicago - Power Run
Cincinnati - Balanced Offense
Cleveland - West Coast
Dallas - Balanced Offense
Denver - Spread
Detroit - Vertical Offense
Green Bay - West Coast
Houston - Zone Run
Indianapolis - Balanced
Jacksonville - Balanced Offense
Kansas City - Zone Run
Miami - West Coast
Minnesota - West Coast
New England - Spread
New Orleans - Vertical Offense
New York (G) - Balance Offense
New York (J) - Power Run
Oakland - Vertical Offense
Philadelphia - Spread
Pittsburgh - Balanced Offense
San Diego - Vertical Offense
San Francisco - Power Run
Seattle - West Coast
St. Louis - Power Run
Tampa Bay - Power Run
Tennessee - Balanced Offense
Washington - West Coast

For example, Washington is a West Coast scheme so set the playbook to West Coast.

Is this the most up-to-date playbook info?

[DetroitStyle]

Check the link in rudyjuly's signature. He's got the latest updates.

[Rawdeal28]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

ok, today i watched a cpu vs cpu game. i gave the Raiders John Madden's playbook and i gave Seattle Tom Flores playbook.

i saw solid play calling by seattle. i saw nothing really out of the ordinary. Russell Wilson still ran the ball when he couldnt find anyone open. a good balance of run and pass. seattle was up by 10-17 points for most of the game.

as for Madden, they looked deep quite often and connected on a couple of plays. they ran the ball a little bit but being that they was down 17 from about the 2nd quarter onward, they passed much more. then in 4th quarter something wierd happened. the raiders scored a touchdown and recovered the onside kick to get within 10. and literally, EVERY PLAY CALLED FROM THAT POINT ON WAS A SCREEN! yes the raiders called screen after screen screen after screen.

so i say yes to Tom Flores. as for Madden's playbook, i say try watching a cpu game for yourself and give 1 team his playbook and see what happens before you use it in your CCM. im gonna have to say no on that one for now.

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I didn't change anything. I should have taken a peek at what playbook he was running before the game started but I didn't. I checked out the coach though and his scheme was Balanced so I'm guessing they were using the Balanced playbook. They were up pretty much the whole game and still threw it 39 times compared to 29 runs.

I'm starting to think there might be more to this in terms of fictional coaches using the playbooks differently. I just played the Saints in preseason and they also have a new fictional coach. They were using the NYG-T.Coughlin offensive playbook and threw the ball 38 times. They were down most of the game but it definitely seemed like they were throwing more early on. Brees had nine attempts in the first quarter alone. I played them again in the regular season so I'll see if anything changes in that game.

[vicaddict]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Since this is a discussion about playbooks, I suppose I could ask here rather than opening a different thread.

Im am trying to rebuild the Browns. While my Hybrid MF defense is rock solid, I have trouble getting the offense going. I am currently using the Run Balance PB and TRich hardly averages 3.0 ypg, while C. McCoy only throws short passes and hardly throws for more than 150 ypg. (I am using that coach mode kinda mode). Gameplan always uses the same 3 or 4 pass plays that barely get me more than 5-8 yards. I know this might be realistic, but that kind of gameplanning won't change a bit with Megatron or A.Rodgers in the pocket, would it?

So I am not looking to turn the Browns into the Saints, as I want a Zone Run/Power Running/Balanced offense but is there a PB that offers deeper throws (15y+) and a solid running game?

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

ok, today i watched a cpu vs cpu game. i gave the Raiders John Madden's playbook and i gave Seattle Tom Flores playbook.

i saw solid play calling by seattle. i saw nothing really out of the ordinary. Russell Wilson still ran the ball when he couldnt find anyone open. a good balance of run and pass. seattle was up by 10-17 points for most of the game.

as for Madden, they looked deep quite often and connected on a couple of plays. they ran the ball a little bit but being that they was down 17 from about the 2nd quarter onward, they passed much more. then in 4th quarter something wierd happened. the raiders scored a touchdown and recovered the onside kick to get within 10. and literally, EVERY PLAY CALLED FROM THAT POINT ON WAS A SCREEN! yes the raiders called screen after screen screen after screen.

so i say yes to Tom Flores. as for Madden's playbook, i say try watching a cpu game for yourself and give 1 team his playbook and see what happens before you use it in your CCM. im gonna have to say no on that one for now.

Good stuff, as always!

What generic / scheme / teams do you think Flores book would work for / as?

Thanks!

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

So I am not looking to turn the Browns into the Saints, as I want a Zone Run/Power Running/Balanced offense but is there a PB that offers deeper throws (15y+) and a solid running game?

Billick's Legend book might be a nice choice..***n based, with some interesting forms and some nice gun forms as well...

Might want to consider Weedon...he's got nice deep ball THP / DAC...

I'm going with the Vermeil book, because I want more of a spread pass game with TE in the slot on occasion and some power run with the FB on the field...

I'm also trying Tampa 2 for the D...trying to get a Bears feel and really like to have the 46 at my disposal...

Good luck!

Fun rebuild / great young roster and plenty of cap space!

[vicaddict]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Billick's Legend book might be a nice choice..***n based, with some interesting forms and some nice gun forms as well...

Might want to consider Weedon...he's got nice deep ball THP / DAC...

I'm going with the Vermeil book, because I want more of a spread pass game with TE in the slot on occasion and some power run with the FB on the field...
Fun rebuild / great young roster and plenty of cap space!

Thanks. I'll consider them both.
getting TE's & FB involved is a nice thing. I am actually using the FB on the goalline to give him some action. But, I don't think I'll switch to Wheeden. I like Colt and until I find a Power/Zone Run QB I like, I'll keep Colt, I think. It is a fun rebuild as you don't actually need much rebuilding. The defense is already great, just lacks some depth and a few tools on the offense. If only real life would be so easy...

[KBLover]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I'm starting to think there might be more to this in terms of fictional coaches using the playbooks differently. I just played the Saints in preseason and they also have a new fictional coach. They were using the NYG-T.Coughlin offensive playbook and threw the ball 38 times. They were down most of the game but it definitely seemed like they were throwing more early on. Brees had nine attempts in the first quarter alone. I played them again in the regular season so I'll see if anything changes in that game.

I wouldn't be surprised.

I know it seemed like I was playing a different (and, imo, better) game in M12 once the league became mostly fictional players and coaches. Of course, coaches in M12 meant much less than they do M13 - but the same dynamic of fictional changing things was there.

[D_Fos]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Good stuff, as always!

What generic / scheme / teams do you think Flores book would work for / as?

Thanks!

Considering Flores doesn't have any Shotgun, idk.
I gave the Bengals the Vermiel PB on offense and Multiple D and they ran it flawlessly. These generic/Legend PBs are a nice addition for sure.

Btw, Lombardi has some shotgun plays!
I may try that in my next game w/ my Redskins, since I don't have any Pistol formations(w/ Redskins PB), maybe I could turn Lombardi's PB into something close to a Pistol look w/ the type of plays in it.
RG3 really does a good job on the move, so I will need to play a few games to see if this might suit my Skins a little better.
Updating my sliders w/ both Offensive and Defensive PBs for the CPU now.

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

FYI y'all:

I gave the Ravens the Billick book and they went OFF on my Browns...

Flacco went for about 350 and 4 TDs , while Rice lit me up for about 160 on the ground...

It's interesting how different teams use the same books...

BAL used it almost like a "Power" version of the run and gun...

It seemed as though Flacco was aware of my injury riddled secondary and beat the mis matches like a drum...

Rice was also deadly in the screen and swing pass game...

Most interesting play?

Some kind of WR reverse that culminated with a shovel pass, which only went for a handful of yards, but was an all time first in Madden...

A book with a properly implemented gameplan attached, that fits the HC scheme and personnel makes for one deadly offence...

Final score?

BAL 51
CLE 17

My sliders aren't the culprit...they just ran a flawless offence...

[D_Fos]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

FYI y'all:

I gave the Ravens the Billick book and they went OFF on my Browns...

Flacco went for about 350 and 4 TDs , while Rice lit me up for about 160 on the ground...

It's interesting how different teams use the same books...

BAL used it almost like a "Power" version of the run and gun...

It seemed as though Flacco was aware of my injury riddled secondary and beat the mis matches like a drum...

Rice was also deadly in the screen and swing pass game...

Most interesting play?

Some kind of WR reverse that culminated with a shovel pass, which only went for a handful of yards, but was an all time first in Madden...

A book with a properly implemented gameplan attached, that fits the HC scheme and personnel makes for one deadly offence...

Final score?

BAL 51
CLE 17

My sliders aren't the culprit...they just ran a flawless offence...

I had similar game against the Bengals(I'm on All-Madden). I gave them the Vermiel PB and Multiple D, they were on FIRE! I was really just wanting to see how the Legends PB worked out. It was similar to Pass Balance, so now I will test the Run Bal b/c they passed a lil too often.
What I liked about the Legends and Generic PB is they stick w/ the gameplan, even if they are blowing you out.
Vermiel's PB has a nice mix of passes and really likes to setup the run w/ Pass 1st. I like it!

[jsou4646]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I understand how to give the cpu teams to playbooks pre game, but it won't let me switch the controller back to neutral. Were is the option in game, I'm in an offline ccm. thanks

[D_Fos]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I understand how to give the cpu teams to playbooks pre game, but it won't let me switch the controller back to neutral. Were is the option in game, I'm in an offline ccm. thanks

You can't do it IN game, move it back to center before you start the game.

[D_Fos]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Ok, tested out Vince Lombardi PB, if you are a pound the ball type of offense you will love it!
However, I think either the West Coast or default PB is good for my User controlled Redskins.

I may also test Dick Vermeil b/c I want to run more PA vertical type plays, and the CPU Bengals killed me w/ PA when I gave them that PB.